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By: - 24th July 2009 at 23:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Actually needs some updating as im sure it was written while things were a bit unclear....
The aircraft had overshot the runway and hit a perimeter wall, the only fire reported was post crash..... Picture on the link below shows the cockpit section totally crushed.
17 killed in Iran plane crash
By Middle East correspondent Anne Barker and wires
Posted 2 hours 19 minutes ago
Updated 1 hour 46 minutes ago
The accident reportedly occurred as the plane was landing at the international airport in Mashhad (AFP: Mehdi Ghorbani)
At least 17 people have been killed and more than 20 injured when a passenger plane in Iran overshot the runway and slammed into a wall.
The Iranian Aria Airlines jet crashed just after landing in Iran's second city of Mashhad in the country's north-east.
It overshot the runway and ploughed into a perimeter wall, before hitting power lines.
The plane then caught fire. The Russian designed Ilyushin aircraft was carrying 153 passengers.
Iran's deputy transport minister said the airport tarmac was only short and the plane had landed in the middle of the runway instead of the beginning.
Just over a week ago a Caspian Airlines plane crashed minutes after take-off from Tehran, killing all 168 people on board.
"All the dead and injured people and passengers have been evacuated and the fire has been completely controlled," the deputy governor of Khorasan province, Ghahreman Rashid, told state media.
"The plane... had a technical glitch," television reports said, quoting the director of the public relations department at the Mashhad airport, who was identified by his surname Pirhandeh.
Iran, which has been under years of international sanctions hampering its ability to buy modern Boeing or Airbus planes, has suffered a number of aviation disasters over the past decade.
Its civil and military fleet is made up of ancient aircraft in very poor condition due to their age and lack of maintenance.
In the most deadly previous crash, 117 people on board another Russian-designed aircraft, a Tupolev, were killed when it crashed into snow-covered mountains in western Iran in 2002.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/25/2636143.htm
- ABC/AFP
By: - 25th July 2009 at 00:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Ancient equipment, poorly trained crews...who on Earth would want to fly in Iran???
By: - 25th July 2009 at 04:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Are you saying the US embargo is to blame then?
I hardly think that Iran has "poorly trained" crews or ancient equipment...
There are dozens of third rate airlines world wide who still fly worldwide is older aircraft and more pityful conditions.
The fact remains that people died.... and that the cause of the accident will probably never be known in the "west" simply because its "Iran". The lack of media coverage when a disaster or major accident occurs outside the "western" world reaks.
Its not news worthy simply because it may show they are human after all...
By: - 25th July 2009 at 09:24 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Are you saying the US embargo is to blame then?I hardly think that Iran has "poorly trained" crews or ancient equipment...
There are dozens of third rate airlines world wide who still fly worldwide is older aircraft and more pityful conditions.The fact remains that people died.... and that the cause of the accident will probably never be known in the "west" simply because its "Iran". The lack of media coverage when a disaster or major accident occurs outside the "western" world reaks.
Its not news worthy simply because it may show they are human after all...
Point well made. It looks like a former Interflug Il62M. If the reports on here are accurate it would seem to suggest some kind of crew error if the aircraft had landed so far down the runway, but then the crew are not here to defend themselves so its speculation. The Il62 has a high landing speed coupled with a lack of leading edge slats, at Stansted we often used to see them deploying reverse thrust whilst passing over the runway threshold to assist in reducing the touchdown speed although according to a Cubana pilot that I met on a turnround this does not present a problem. The BBC video seems to show the reverse thrust 'buckets' were deployed although the cause of the accident may never be known in the "west". Try tuning in to the Press TV channel from Tehran on Sky, there was good coverage of the recent Tupolev crash on there.
By: - 29th July 2009 at 15:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yepp… sometimes I wonder how one could feel safe on a plane in Iran.
However Iran Air is not so bad and seems to be more or less up to international standards.
On the other hand; the numerous “low cost” airlines in Iran are really a nightmare.
Dogdy “wet leases”, in this case (if I got the details right), a Kazak aircraft and crew.
I know nothing about Kazak maintenance and crew training levels, but please allow me to be reticent.
There is currently a rumor (only a rumor) in Iran that the damaged aircraft is not the aircraft it is supposed to be.
In other words, the serial number does not correspond to the registration number, and it looks like the serial number on the aircraft belongs to another airframe that supposedly should have been scrapped in Kazakhstan.
Now it is only a rumor and we have to wait and see.
Anyway corruption in Iran is at such a level that on a maintenance and documentation level anything is possible
By: - 29th July 2009 at 19:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yepp… sometimes I wonder how one could feel safe on a plane in Iran.However Iran Air is not so bad and seems to be more or less up to international standards.
On the other hand; the numerous “low cost” airlines in Iran are really a nightmare.
Dogdy “wet leases”, in this case (if I got the details right), a Kazak aircraft and crew.
I know nothing about Kazak maintenance and crew training levels, but please allow me to be reticent.
There is currently a rumor (only a rumor) in Iran that the damaged aircraft is not the aircraft it is supposed to be.
In other words, the serial number does not correspond to the registration number, and it looks like the serial number on the aircraft belongs to another airframe that supposedly should have been scrapped in Kazakhstan.
Now it is only a rumor and we have to wait and see.Anyway corruption in Iran is at such a level that on a maintenance and documentation level anything is possible
When I was living in Russia around 3 years ago I watched a Russian TV documentary concerning the black market trade in dodgy airliner spare parts, or more to the point, the forging of the documentation that accompanys each and every spare part or component that can be traded. In Russia this document is called a passport. The documentary focussed on the Tu-154 airliner - more specifically components on the Tu-154's powerplant (Soloviev D-30 if I recall), especially a snail shaped component ('ulitka' in Russian) which I presume is some kind of turbine pump. Pretty nasty if it were to fail in flight I'd imagine, and bearing in mind that it seems to have been some sort of catastrophic engine failure which led to the crash of the Iranian Tu-154 2 weeks back - I should think that any air crash investigation would want to look into the origins of many of the airplane's components checks on the documentation, etc.
Just my 10 kopecks worth....
By: - 29th July 2009 at 21:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Yes I completely agree with you.
Not wanting to turn this tread away from the IL62 accident in Mashad, but you have a very interesting point about the TU154.
I personally think that the TU154 is a quite good aircraft, maybe not as economical, efficient, and comfortable as many other newer and more modern aircraft, but still OK when everything is working.
It seems like the Caspian Airlines TU154 suffered a catastrophic failure of the nr2 (tail) engine and this might have caused a rupture of the hydraulic lines controlling rudder and elevator. Then it is only one way to go, strait down.
I am not at all a specialist on the TU154 and maybe somebody else knows better. Also I do not know if the controls can be controlled electrically (like in some aircraft) via the autopilot controls.
By: - 31st July 2009 at 18:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If that IL62 is Kazakh then it will almost certainly be one of the ex Interflug machines as this is where most of their IL62Ms ended up after overhaul at the Tashkent repair facility. Some were sold on to other carriers and a few went to Aeroflot. This example definately shows the slightly modified Interflug scheme which really only consisted of deleted titles, DDR flag on tail fin and deleted stylised "Flying Star" insignia which was done before the aircraft departed Schonefeld for Tashkent.
By: - 1st August 2009 at 00:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
When I was living in Russia around 3 years ago I watched a Russian TV documentary concerning the black market trade in dodgy airliner spare parts, or more to the point, the forging of the documentation that accompanys each and every spare part or component that can be traded. In Russia this document is called a passport. The documentary focussed on the Tu-154 airliner - more specifically components on the Tu-154's powerplant (Soloviev D-30 if I recall), especially a snail shaped component ('ulitka' in Russian) which I presume is some kind of turbine pump. Pretty nasty if it were to fail in flight I'd imagine, and bearing in mind that it seems to have been some sort of catastrophic engine failure which led to the crash of the Iranian Tu-154 2 weeks back - I should think that any air crash investigation would want to look into the origins of many of the airplane's components checks on the documentation, etc.Just my 10 kopecks worth....
So your saying that theres no "fake" Airbus or Boeing parts out on the market????
Your basically saying in your post that because its Russian and in Iran, its no doubt got "dodgy" parts. Hence that when a "western" airliner crashes there has never been found a fake part or the investigators never check parts or serial numbers?!
Oh please....
By: - 1st August 2009 at 08:43 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
So your saying that theres no "fake" Airbus or Boeing parts out on the market????Your basically saying in your post that because its Russian and in Iran, its no doubt got "dodgy" parts. Hence that when a "western" airliner crashes there has never been found a fake part or the investigators never check parts or serial numbers?!
Oh please....
With all due respects sir, I don’t think he was saying that.
Parts problems exists all over the world, and I think that every major aviation nation had (and maybe will have) some problems in this regards.
I can recall a company in the US called Valuejet (or something like that) that had big (and fatal) troubles with this.
However it is a fact that we have today a serious aviation safety issue in Iran. There is no need for a PHD in statistics to establish that. It is also a fact that most of the incidents are happening with Russian built aircraft.
This is probably due to poor maintenance (corruption and maintenance “short-cuts”) and crew training that is of an unknown quality.
I have no doubts about that a well maintained TU154, or IL62 for that sake, is just as safe as a similar aircraft made in the US, but once flown in countries where maintenance and crew training is not the same as we can find in some large industrialized countries, well… we have exactly what we see in Iran today.
By: - 1st August 2009 at 13:58 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Its not news worthy simply because it may show they are human after all...
Very interesting point... unfortunately I don't think it's the news networks seeking to blinker our view of iran, but actually the narrow minded view of the news watching public.
All too often after a plane crash the headline reads "5 britons feared dead in nigerian air crash". Not even a mention of the 100 other black people who also lost their lives. Unfortunatly it's true that headlines like this are more likely to grab the attention of the british (and indeed american) white middle and working classes.
I don't agree with it, but there's definately a sentiment that "if they're not like us, it doesn't matter"
By: - 2nd August 2009 at 10:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Brilliantly put! Especially the end of the final line.
By: - 2nd August 2009 at 17:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I can recall a company in the US called Valuejet (or something like that) that had big (and fatal) troubles with this.
The Valuejet crash wasn't caused by parts...good or bad.
A contracted maintenance outfit (IIRC) put overhauled...or in need of overhaul...emergency oxygen generating cylinders on board as cargo. One ignited causing a fire.
By: - 2nd August 2009 at 20:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
So your saying that theres no "fake" Airbus or Boeing parts out on the market????
Where in my post did I say that?:confused:
Your basically saying in your post that because its Russian and in Iran, its no doubt got "dodgy" parts. Hence that when a "western" airliner crashes there has never been found a fake part or the investigators never check parts or serial numbers?!
I didn't say that there was "no doubt" that the Tu-154 had "dodgy" parts, only that it was a possibility. 4 Tu-154s have been lost in in Iran since 2002, which obviously point to low standards somewhere. Certainly because of the embargo on spares from many western countries the Iranians are forced to gain the maximum amount of life out of components and to carry out a lot of parts recycling and what not. perhaps a culture has arisen in Iranian aviation of accepting standards in aircraft maintenance which would not be acceptable in other countries... who knows.:confused:
By: - 3rd August 2009 at 05:55 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The Valuejet crash wasn't caused by parts...good or bad.
A contracted maintenance outfit (IIRC) put overhauled...or in need of overhaul...emergency oxygen generating cylinders on board as cargo. One ignited causing a fire.
Yes you are certainly right, and maybe I was mixing things together with another company.
However I can remember a story about a DC9 having an engine exploding on takeoff. I think it was Valujet flight 597 on the 08 June 1995.
The engine had a doubtful origin (in the middle-east somewhere), where major maintenance had been badly made and wrong parts fitted together with large cracks not discovered.
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By: KabirT - 24th July 2009 at 20:10
A passenger plane has burst into flames on landing at an airport in northern Iran, killing at least 16 passengers, state media has reported.
The burning plane skidded off the runway of the airport in the city of Mashhad, said the IRNA news agency.
At least another 19 people were injured in the incident and the remaining passengers were evacuated.
The crash comes 10 days after another plane crash in northern Iran, in which 168 people died.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8168074.stm