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    Quote Originally Posted by ozplane View Post
    At the risk of involving some thread creep, .
    You don't mean me do you? I am actually here for a ligimate reason (although I was unaware forums were for a select few?). I do some work for a company called "Yesterdays Racers" which to my mind includes aircraft (Supermarine S6, Super GeeBee etc etc), and I do like my aircraft as well, so I do hope I am not thought of as an interlooper? I would have thought having been roundly slated for including a whole chapter on the Rolls-Royce R type and the Schnieder Trophy in a book on Donald Campbell, that I might be considered as an aircraft "buff", but if not, I'll get my coat and go! I'm sure Mike can fill the void re White Hawk, over to you Mike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by f1steveuk View Post
    You don't mean me do you?
    He was, it seems, referring to his own post. Breathe.

    Enjoy the forum, all welcome.
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    You're kidding Steve- if it's not K7, CN7, Thrust 2 or Thrust SSC, I know absolutely NOTHING about it!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDK View Post
    He was, it seems, referring to his own post. Breathe.

    Enjoy the forum, all welcome.

    Ah breathing, one of my favourite hobbies, fair enough! Mike, I'm sure you know more than you let on!

    White Hawk was a strange one. Ken Norris arrived at the Hanning-Lees to design the spaceframe, onlt to find the whole design was a chalk out line on the wall, and as such had to fill in ALL the gaps, this is while his brother Lew was working for Donald Campbell re-designing Blue Bird K4 into a prop rider.

    K5 was a hydro-foil, and as such had a well defined top speed, governed by the break down in lift created by the underwater foils. She did her high speed submarine impression three times, although I have never heard she had twin seats?!

    Her whereabouts are something of a mystery, either broke up as scrap, or locked in a customs warehouse as payment against unpaid import duty...........

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    A bit of topic this..

    I remember there was a British K8 boat that was going to do an attempt on the WSR, years back powered by a Viper if memroy serves and named Alton Towers after the sponser. What happened to it?? (Googling don't get any hits).
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGVERN1966 View Post
    A bit of topic this..

    I remember there was a British K8 boat that was going to do an attempt on the WSR, years back powered by a Viper if memroy serves and named Alton Towers after the sponser. What happened to it?? (Googling don't get any hits).
    K8 British Pursuit/Miss Alton Towers was owned and run by businessman Tony Fahey. She simply failed to plane due to balance and weight issues. Attempts to locate Mr Fahey, K8's hull or the mock up for Noel Edmonds Excalibur have all failed, indeed Noel goes quite a funny colour when that name is mentioned!

    K8 followed the trend set by John Cobb/Reid Railton, in having the single shoe at the front, or a reverse three pointer, which with the exception of Cobb's trial runs, has never succeeded.

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    It's a shame that Noel won't talk about it these days- back in his old Top Gear/airshow presenter days, he'd have made a good sort to have had a bash at the record.

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    Just bumping my own thread here, regarding that damn gauge we're after again- today while idly adding new aircraft to my flight sim, I added an Armstrong Whitworth Argosy, and blow me if there weren't four of the pesky EXH gauges on it's panel! I quickly found pictures of real Argosy panels online, and sure enough, they had four of a very close match to the gauge we're after fitted.

    Now, I know nothing about the type at all...so, are any left? Do any fly? Who's got one? Who might have parts for one? Etc etc, any help gratefully received, etc!

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    Quote Originally Posted by f1steveuk View Post
    K8 British Pursuit/Miss Alton Towers was owned and run by businessman Tony Fahey. She simply failed to plane due to balance and weight issues. Attempts to locate Mr Fahey, K8's hull or the mock up for Noel Edmonds Excalibur have all failed, indeed Noel goes quite a funny colour when that name is mentioned!

    K8 followed the trend set by John Cobb/Reid Railton, in having the single shoe at the front, or a reverse three pointer, which with the exception of Cobb's trial runs, has never succeeded.
    I remember Excalibur, prop driven hydrofoil if memory serves, First time I saw it I though "That isn't going to work, Hydrofoils suffer from cavitation at about 80 MPH and fall back the water' and I was a teenager at the time. I'm not surprised that Noel goes a funny colour. He lost quite a bit of money on it if memory serves.

    As for reverse three pointer's, I wouldn't say that seeing that Lee Taylor's Discovery II was a reverse three pointer and was able to plane at almost 300 MPH up to the point where it broke up and killed him, However no boat of that configuration has broken the record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by f1steveuk View Post
    K8 British Pursuit/Miss Alton Towers was owned and run by businessman Tony Fahey. She simply failed to plane due to balance and weight issues. Attempts to locate Mr Fahey, K8's hull or the mock up for Noel Edmonds Excalibur have all failed, indeed Noel goes quite a funny colour when that name is mentioned!

    K8 followed the trend set by John Cobb/Reid Railton, in having the single shoe at the front, or a reverse three pointer, which with the exception of Cobb's trial runs, has never succeeded.
    Hi, was searching for info re. my father's water speed record when i was a kid and saw this site, Tony Fahey is alive and well and still as passionnate about speed as he always was. He has 6 kids i'm his only daughter and would love to get him back involved with this sport - he is alway so busy with business/commercial activities aged 64 we all call him "peter pan". If he had the time i'm sure he would have and still (knowing him) try and beat the current records - simply said you will never meet a more interesting character in your life. would be interested to know if there is some forum for a veteren like Mr Fahey??

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    I very much doubt he'd be regarded as an unwelcome addition here. If only for the reason we'll talk to anyone, if they have something interesting to say it's a bonus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucyfahey View Post
    would be interested to know if there is some forum for a veteren like Mr Fahey??
    It's only in the old Yahoo Groups format, but you could try here-

    http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Speedrecordgroup/

    -where you'll find authors, experts, armchair experts, even Ken Warby himself from time to time!

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    Someone has very kindly posted some great photos of Campbells Bluebird at RAF Debden on our fourm here;
    http://airfieldinformationexchange.f...bden-t156.html

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    What a superb set of pictures- I've never seen those before! Any chance the original poster could grant permission for me to put those on the Speed Record Group that I've linked to above?

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    I see they are post crash. IIRC it was the only crash she had and led to the addition of the tailfin. Does anyone know what the fin was from or was it specially built for the car?
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    Excellent photos, I remember the event as a little boy ! but I think i would doubt the year mentioned, I seem to think it was a lot earlier, I know one of you out there will confirm actual date.
    My father and I drove there again the next day and she was still in the cornfield, being looked at by many people !
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike currill View Post
    I see they are post crash. IIRC it was the only crash she had and led to the addition of the tailfin. Does anyone know what the fin was from or was it specially built for the car?
    The fin was fitted post the Bonneville crash in 1960, this accident was post the "double" records in 1964, a demo' at RAF Debden, when Donald Campbell's stand in drove with his feet on both the brake AND the loud pedal!

    The 1960 crash was during the initial record trials, and occurred at approx'360 mph. The tailfin was added and was purpose designed for CN7, and could be partially dismantled to give a fin of various sizes and shapes. The Debden accident all but put paid to CN7 ever running again, the damage being estimated at some £55,000 even then!

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    So, if the fin could be changed to suit various requirements, I take it it was actually special build for the car?
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    A slightly unusual twist to the normal aviation art that's available, Rob Evan's new aviation art print pays tribute to record setter Donald Campbell who was killed while attempting to become the first person to go over 300mph on water.

    This pencil print features a ghostly Avro Vulcan jet bomber over Campbell's Bluebird, representing a hitherto mystery Vulcan which reportedly flew over the lake in tribute the day after the accident. The RAF denied it was "one of their's" and as no one else flew the magnificent Vulcan, the story largely became part of the Bluebird legend, known only to a few.

    Thanks to research by Rob it now transpires that the salute was a personal tribute by one Don Dale, Vulcan pilot with 12 Squadron. Having diverted from his flight plan to make the tribute he was in a certain amount of 'hot water' with his superiors in the RAF!
    4 years ago I tried to trace the Vulcan used for the flypast through the Vulcan Forum. Imagine my surprise when on May 6th 2004, the pilot of the Vulcan (XM657, the last Vulcan ever built), Mr Don Dale, gave me this response via PM:

    The Vulcan in question was XM657, Cottesmore Wing, 12(B)Sqdn Crew.

    Briefed for 2 Low Levels, entering in the West Country. Gin clear day. We could see Hilpsford Point (Barrow) coasting out of North Wales. Radar and plotting gear was switched off. Began a climb to 2000'. Nav plotter went to the bomb aimers window for back up map reading.

    We flew over Coniston and dipped our wings in tribute to a very brave man who had just lost his life. We re-entered the Low Level route at the next radar significant point and completed a successful RBS delivery on West Freugh, then back to the West Country for another Low Level run along the same route. This time there was no deviation and we returned to base.

    Then it became exciting...

    It had been on the radio at lunchtime, it was in all the evenings newspapers and headlines in the National Press the next morning, quote "Bomber Command, on being approached, said it was not one of ours".

    Poingnantly, on recovery of Bluebird and of Donald Campbell, his internment ceremony was planned to have a flypast of 4 Tornado's, sadly, the weather was too bad for the flypast.

    Perhaps I was 25 years too early, but I had given him an appropriate salute. I was not off track and I was 2000' feet over the surface of the lake, so not illegally low flying off the Low Level route but flying safely and with due consideration to normal decent convention to the family and to the deceased.

    Had I asked for formal permission, I guess it would have took months to get a negative answer. They finally got me for leaving the Low Level route when not authorised to do so. When I asked for clarification of this I recall that I received the "GET OUT" response!!

    RIP Donald...
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    Yup, that's what Steve said!

    The tailfin was added and was purpose designed for CN7,

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    XL391, just out of interest, did they discharge the chap from the Raf for doing it?! (excuse me for being thick)

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    I never asked him to elaborate sadly, but I would imagine, reading what he has put, the rollicking was deemed enough punishment...
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    Hi all


    Well after reading this thread and already having more than just a passing interest in the Campbell history I went down to Coniston while on holiday in the Lake District.

    I took the family down to the Bluebird Cafe on the launch at Lake Coniston and was blown away by the breathtaking views and the whole ambiance of the place was just awe inspiring.

    After lunch we walked into Coniston town and went to the Ruskin museum to see the Campbell exhibition they have there, all I can say is that I have never felt such emotion looking at the exhibits there, Campbells helmet that was recovered from the crash site shortly after the tragic accident was especially moving, I was pleased to see a donations box for the restoration of K7 which was added to before we departed.

    Well going from there we took in a stroll about town and being a modeller at heart I picked up a Bluebird K7 kit, then over to the Black Bull Hotel for a pint of Bluebird ale, shortly afterwards I left the family and paid my respects to the great man himself, sitting beside his grave in the church yard.




    To the guys involved with the recovery and restoration of K7 I would like to say keep up the good work and thankyou for everything that has been done in honour of Donald Campbell.


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    Could you tell me about the kit , what scale is it , what is it made of , what was the cost and are there anymore in the series ?

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    have you seen the scale one in which you can put a miniature gas turbine??? they look like a real laugh hehe

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    Hi all


    The model is made by Speedline models, their website doesn't have any of these left on stock but you might be able to get them elsewhere online, a quick google might find them, mine cost about £30 IIRC from a quaint little sweet shop in Coniston town.

    It is a 1/24 scale vac-form kit, not really for the amature modeller, to be honest it's going to take me some time to do it right, Nashio, yes this kit can be converted to run on a small rocket motor or electric motor but I will be doing it as a desktop model.


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    Lancman you and the team are doing a stupendous job.

    I too can remember the sad death of this hero and his faithful speed machine.

    To see her back on the lake will be a very fitting tribute to Donald and to the rebuild team's hard work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FMK.6JOHN View Post
    Hi all


    It is a 1/24 scale vac-form kit, not really for the amature modeller, to be honest it's going to take me some time to do it right, Nashio, yes this kit can be converted to run on a small rocket motor or electric motor but I will be doing it as a desktop model.


    Regards,


    John.

    john, i was looking around a while ago for some insane model to annoy my mother with and the thought of a wren gas turbine powered model intrigued me,

    http://http://www.touchwoodmodels.co...uebird-k7.html

    this is what i found 1/12 scale moulded GRP, still considering it, if you search there is one on youtube with a mini jet engine in

    lancman, are you guys open to visitors any day or are weekends better?

    Ben (nashio)

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    I'll say 'thank you' for the praise as the only 'member of the team' on here, though my own part in it all is very small and I'm in no way worthy of being counted with the guys who are weilding the hammer son her. (Though I've recently completed the new cockpit seat, with the headrest to do next)

    I can't speak for the boat being 'open', being as I am several hundred miles away and not involved with her on a daily basis. That said, she's in a small-ish workshop that is packed with bits and pieces of her, to say nothing of her new engine, and room- and time- for visitors is at a premium. I know for sure that photography became an issue- now casual visitors are asked to not take pictures, as pictures of the progress etc are for now the project's main 'currency' when it comes to dealing with sponsors and giving interviews etc. Best just follow the progress on the project's website, and wait for the old girl to break cover, I'd say!

    The 'Speedline' models are regularly available on Ebay for £25 plus postage from the guy that makes them- just search for 'Campbell Bluebird' and you'll almost certainly find one. Being a low detail vacform, I've never bothered with one personally.

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    Unsure if anyone would be interested in a document I have linked to this news article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1221631.stm
    I had the greatest of pleasures in meeting Ken Norris shortly after this news was published and a further discussion on BBC Radio Solent about the forgotten document (found in my loft!).
    Ken explained that, 50 were individually put together and presented to key figures involved in the original Bluebird Project.
    The one I have is copy number 11 and was originally issued to Sir Raymond Quilter, who was involved in parachutes. Ken also had one, and explained they were all different, none were exactly the same!
    I've now been searching since 2001 to find another one but to no avail. I’m happy to attach photographs if anyone is interested or receive information regarding the other 48!

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