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    Reid and Siegrist

    I've started to look into this company, very local to me (I can see the white buildings of the Caterpillar factory built on Desford aerodrome from my house).

    Does anyone know much about the company? From what I've found out, Reid and Sigrist made aircraft instruments, but later in the war made a few prototype aircraft, so far i've found the;

    Reid and Sigrist RS.1 Snargasher

    http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircra...RIST%20RS1.htm

    Reid and Sigrist RS.3 Desford

    http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contri...lborg/2977.htm

    and the Reid and Sigrist RS.4 Bobsleigh

    http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/n...lanes/reid.jpg

    I'm not sure, but I think the Bobsleigh was a modified Desford for a prone pilot.

    Does anyone know more about them, particuarly survivors? Apparently Snibston discovery park has one in store, which is according to them an RS.3 Desford, however the serial matches that of the Bobsleigh, and as far as I know only the Bobsleigh survives.
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    A 2 second search on this Forum turned up my old posts:

    http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/sho...igrist+desford
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    Cheers, looks like the RS.3 and the RS.4 are the same aircraft then - same really, was hoping the RS.3 and the RS.4 were still around, the Desford is a very nice looking aircraft. Does anyone know anything about the RS.2, or was it an aircraft that just didn't get further than the drawing board? Looking at G-INFO, only two Reid and Sigrist were ever registered, the Snargasher and Desford/Bobsleigh
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    As far as I know, there never was an RS.2, but then again my library is rather limited!
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    Reid & Sigrist R.S.2

    I am reviving this thread rather than starting a new one.

    Was there a Reid & Sigrist R.S.2? I am aware of the R.S.1 Snargasher (G-AEOD) and the R.S.3 Desford and R.S.4 Desford Trainer (both G-AGOS) but cannot trace any reference to a R.S.2. Maybe, for some unapparent reason, the company decided not to have a "2". However if there was a "2", perhaps it never got off the drawing board. Assuming that there was a "2", even if only on paper, can anyone provide any information about it and/or (if appropriate) a photograph or drawing?

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    Heres a photo my late Father took at Fairoaks in 1973,

    http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1032009/M/

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesterhud View Post
    Heres a photo my late Father took at Fairoaks in 1973,

    http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1032009/M/

    Cheers

    Mike Hudson
    .................but that's the R.S.4 - does anyone know anything about the R.S.2 (if such existed)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by avion ancien View Post
    .................but that's the R.S.4 - does anyone know anything about the R.S.2 (if such existed)?
    I think it is still on the drawing board as I can't find it anywhere else!
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    Didn't the company also operate a flying training school in the run up to WW2?

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    Yes, the company made aircraft instruments. One such was the (large) turn & bank (ie slip) indicator used in many RAF planes of a certain age. Can't remember what else, but they certainly made quite a lot of flight instruments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bri View Post
    Yes, the company made aircraft instruments. Can't remember what else, but they certainly made quite a lot of flight instruments.

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    Including, but not limited to, gyro guidance systems for the Black Night rocket. They were seriously into quality cameras as well which still fetch a premium when available.
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    Totally frivolous and not relevant to the thread I know, but is it just me that thinks that the name 'Reid & Sigrist' is more suited to a 1940's comedian double act, or a top class Saville Row tailor?

    End of frivolousness.

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    Exclamation

    The Sigrist involved in the company was indeed Fred Sigrist of Hawker fame.
    He started out as a mechanic working on Tom Sopwith's private aircraft. When Sopwith formed his aircraft manufacturing company in 1912, Fred was the first employee. The company was very short of money (their premises had been a skating rink, and they operated it as such on Saturdays to bring in a bit of extra cash).
    Years ago I read in a Sopwith history that Tom could not afford to pay Fred more than a few shillings a week in wages at the start, so the two of them agreed that Fred would also get a payment (I recollect about ten pounds) for every aircraft that the firm was able to sell to make up for his minimal wages. This figure was based on their expectation that the Sopwith company would sell about two or three aircraft a year.
    Of course, World War One came along, and they were able to sell rather more aircraft than that. This made Fred Sigrist a very wealthy individual.
    One quote I do remember from this history was that someone queried Sopwith about the thousands of pounds that were being paid, under this agreement, to Sigrist. He replied that an agreement was an agreement, and he had no intention of changing it.

    I do not know who Reid was, but I suspect that he was the ideas man while Sigrist provided the financial backing and the contacts within the aviation industry.

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    (Snargasher:RCAF slang:training aircraft).Camera-firm:Maj.A.H.Reid.myweb.tiscali.co.uk/iannorris/leica_copies/leica_copies_r/histreid
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    Try "Wikipedia" it has a lot of details about this company and also details of the RS1, RS3 Desford, RS4 Bobsleigh and Gloster Meteor F8 "Prone Pilot".

    Give it a try

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    That reminded me of the Christie's catalogue for the Strathallan sale in 1981 in which the RS3/4 was sold for £5000. Apparently it last flew with the collection in 1978. Also from the same catalogue you could have had, amongst others, an airworthy Hurricane for £260,000, an Avenger for £7,800, a Hudson for £16,000 and a complete Anson Mk.19 restoration project for £1580!

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    Wikipedia has gen on the aircraft, but very little on the firm or the people involved.
    "Reid" turns out to be Major G. H. Reid.

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    Brief entry for George Reid, from 1933 'Who's Who in British Aviation'. Judging by the address, very close to Hawkers it would seem.
    Last edited by chumpy; 10th July 2008 at 17:34.
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    That looks to be the fellow, then.
    Apparently the Decca Company took over Reid & Sigrist in 1970.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesterhud View Post
    Heres a photo my late Father took at Fairoaks in 1973,

    http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1032009/M/

    Cheers

    Mike Hudson
    Here's another photo of the Desford - this time in its 1960s civilian colours.

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    Sorry to drag up an old thread, but I'm also looking into Reid and Sigrist LTD, not their development of instruments or planes, but I'm very interested in their flying school operations, or if they had any test aeroplanes for their equipment. Anybody have any photos or documents that can help me out?

    Rgds

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    Reid & Sigrist contracts

    Have not come across any docs but it is evident from the RAF Mitchell Form 78 movement cards that R&S had a repair contract for Mitchells.

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    Further to talking to a gentleman this morning, apparently theres an article in an old copy of Aeroplane magazine from 1935 showing a line up of tiger moths outside of R+S hangars at Desford, does anybody have a copy of that magazine out there, I'd be very interested in a scan of that article.

    There is a useful purpose to all this - honnestly!

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    Just to mention that a rebuilt Reid & Siegrist Desford appeared briefly at an Auster meeting over the weekend, apparently not far off its first, post-restoration flight.

    I glimpsed it on Facebook, but haven't found the image again since.

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    This picture of the Desford was taken at Strathallan in 1981

    Graham


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    Presumably 'the' rather than 'a'. One assumes that it is G-AGUS. But if it is, G-INFO avers that it's still owned by Leicester CC - and having regard to its attitude to the aeroplanes in its ownership that are/were at the Discovery Park at Snibston, that it should dig into its Council Tax reserves to fund the Desford's restoration to flying condition seems awful strange. But maybe it's sold it/them on, and the new owner of the Desford hasn't yet bothered to register his/her/its interest with the CAA. If so, it leaves one wondering whether the Taylorcraft and Auster aeroplanes that LCC owns (owned?) have also been moved on.

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    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

    ''The star item the International Auster Club Fly In at Spanhoe, Northants, today was the unique Reid & Sigrist RS.4 Desford Trainer G-AGOS / VZ728. Newly restored by Carl Tyers' Windmill Aviation it is only waiting for documentation clearance to enable the first post-restoration flight to take place.'' R Syratt

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    So, who's the owner and/or who's funded the restoration?

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    GINFO says

    LEICESTERSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL
    COMMUNITIES AND WELLBEING DEPARTMENT, ROOM 600
    COUNTY HALL, GLENFIELD
    LEICESTER
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    Well done to whoever owns the Desford! Really nice to hear this news. I saw it fly a number of times when it was at Strathallan. It was sold at auction to the short-lived Scottish Aircraft Collection Trust at Scone before moving south.

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