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    Latin American Aircraft

    F-86Ks Folks:

    Do any of you world travellers has any info, data or pictures on a couple of F-86Ks used for fire training at the main airport in the island of Curacao, S. America c. 1970s?? Tks.

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    The 4 F-86K's came from Germany and were probably going to Venezuela some time in the 60's. But they were unloaded at Willemstad harbour and left behind for some reason.
    In the 80's they were burned by the airport firebrigade.

    The planes had an USAF colour scheme.

    Serials:
    55-4866/fu866, 55-4901/fu901, 55-4910/fu910, 55-4913/fu913

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    Ecuador Meteor FR.9

    Am trying to locate a good printable photos(s) of the Meteor FR.9 in Equador service. Please can anyone help,

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    Curacao F-86Ks

    Stony:

    Good day!!

    Where does the info on the F-86ks USAF scheme comes from?? Were they shipped to Venezuela the same way??
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    Quote Originally Posted by fah619 View Post
    Stone:



    Where does the info on the F-86ks USAF scheme comes from?? Were they shipped to Venezuela the same way??


    I got the info from a book called "West German Military recks and Relics since 1956" It was published in 1990 and compiled by G.A. Hilteman. There is also a picture of one of the Sabres in the book, but I don't have a scanner so can't post it.

    I know that Venezuela took delivery of several Sabres from Germany.
    Venezuela on their turn suplied some of these to other South american countries.


    Some sources state that 2 of them are still surviving in Venezuela. The 55-4866 and the 55-4913, but in my book there is a photo of 55-4866 derelict at Hato Airport!!

    The Sabres on Curacou ,to my knowledge,were brand new and never used!!
    The Luftwaffe only formed one unit with F-86K's so of the 88 delivered only a few were used, the rest were used for spares or were sold on.

    See also http://www.milaviation.com/artikelload.php?ID=43
    Last edited by Stony; 14th November 2009 at 08:57. Reason: new info

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    Curacao F-86Ks

    Stony:

    Good day!!

    What an excellent way to end-up our Saturday!! All that we heard were some rumors about the F-86Ks fuselages in the island of Curacao but the pics were hard to come by. The magic of the www... Tks a million!

    p.s Plz indicate if you see any FU XXX numbers in your picture. Partial or whole fuselage shown? upside dwn/right side up?? Any other details welcome. We are looking for the mentioned book already.

    We invite to join us for more details and pictures of the F-86Ks that reached Honduras soil c. 1970s.

    http://www.catrachowings.com/foro/vi...?p=23516#23516

    All for now!!

    Buen Vuelo!!

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    The picture I have is the same one as the one in the link I previous posted.
    It's the one with the Sabre on top of the carwrecks. It's the FU-866

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    F-86Ks in the island of Curacao S. America

    Stony:

    Good day!

    Rg. Tks!

    Any chance to get in contact with any of the RNAF folks stationed at Curacao, Aruba Sq 336 flying F-27s in Marine patrol c. 1981-1982 ?
    Last edited by fah619; 14th December 2009 at 01:42.

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    Sorry can't help you with crews of the F-27's or other patrol(P-2/P-3) aircrews

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    Stony:

    Good day!

    These "abandoned" F-86Ks across the pond are becoming interesting by the day!

    The F-86K book by D. Curtiss mentions F-86K 55-4866 as one of the first F-86Ks to arrive in Oberpfaffenhefen, W. Germany on 22 July 1957. It also mentions that most of the bare metal samples went immediately into storage at the same base.

    We would like to see if possible fm other members photos/data of any Luftwaffe F-86Ks in bare metal schemes c. 1957-1967, particularly our Curacau sample FU-866 or any others in storage at Oberpflaffenhefen.

    In the photo below a center fuselage & tail section of FU-866 at Curacao c. 1981. Photo G. Hilltermann via Stony.

    Last edited by fah619; 14th December 2009 at 02:15. Reason: picture cr.

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    Here is one pic. wich I found on the net.

    Don't know who the photographer is but the credits goto him/her!!
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    Lockheed Ventura in Cuban Air Force

    Dear friends !

    The worldairforces.com site reported about two Lockheed Ventura (or B-34 Lexington) aircrafts, which were used by Cuban Air Force from year 1947.
    Is this fact true or false ?
    If this fact is true - can anybody help me with any images of those Cuban Venturas ?
    In the "Latin American air wars" book by D. Hagedorn is one photo of Ventura in Cuba. But this aircraft have not any Cuban markings and insignia.
    I hope to see any pictures (photos, drawings) of Cuban Venturas WITH Cuban markings.

    Wait for the answers.

    Flyer.

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    Sorry, no photos - but you can find on scramble.nl and on http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1941_5.html (38032)

    Cuban Air Arms
    B-34, 2 delivered
    s/n 214, c/n 137-4676, 41-38020, 47-51
    s/n 215, c/n 137-4688, 41-38032, 47-51

    Martin
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    Grumman Avenger aircraft in Mexico ?

    Thank You, dear Wieesso, for this information.

    Now I have the next question:

    - I read in article about Avenger's history (in Russian "Wings of Motherland" aviation magazine), that some Grumman Avenger airplanes were used in Mexican aviation.
    Also I asked this question in catrachowings forum, and have got the answer from there, that "...it seems, some (maybe, two) Avengers were used in Mexico as civil planes...".
    Maybe, anybody knows more information, and knows - is this fact true or false ?

    And, maybe - if Mexican Avenger(s) were real - anybody have some images of them ?

    Regards,
    Flyer.

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    Latin American Aircraft

    FAS FG-1Ds at La Aurora, Guatemala c. 1959-1960. Among them, the Bridgeport CT Corsair Buno 92460 in previous scheme. Photo Samayoa family via FAG 525.



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    F6F Hellcat in Paraguay and Venezuela - truth or fable ?

    Dear friends !

    On former LAAHS Forum was the discussion about the probable using of Grumman F6F Hellcat by Paraguayan aviation. The participants wrote different opinions and cogitations. But the question remains unanswered.

    1) Maybe, anybody here, on Keypublishing Forum, knows the truth - were the Paraguayan Hellcats existed, or this fact is fable ?

    2) During the discussion above mentioned, one author stated, that many years ago he saw the photo of Venezuelan civil Hellcat (!!!). And this man called to participants of LAAHS Forum to look for this unique photo. It is hard to believe, but, maybe, this photo really exists, and anybody saw it too ? Who knows more facts about "Venezuelan Hellcat" ? Any pictures ?

    Regards,
    Flyer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer View Post
    Dear friends !

    On former LAAHS Forum was the discussion about the probable using of Grumman F6F Hellcat by Paraguayan aviation. The participants wrote different opinions and cogitations. But the question remains unanswered.

    1) Maybe, anybody here, on Keypublishing Forum, knows the truth - were the Paraguayan Hellcats existed, or this fact is fable ?

    2) During the discussion above mentioned, one author stated, that many years ago he saw the photo of Venezuelan civil Hellcat (!!!). And this man called to participants of LAAHS Forum to look for this unique photo. It is hard to believe, but, maybe, this photo really exists, and anybody saw it too ? Who knows more facts about "Venezuelan Hellcat" ? Any pictures ?

    Regards,
    Flyer.
    I have found a mention of the Argentinian Navy presenting some of their F6F-5 Hellcats to the Paraguayan Navy but I haven't got any further details or pictures.

    I don't know if there was a Venezuelan Hellcat but there was certainly a Venezuelan FM-2 Wildcat which I've got a very small and fairly poor quality picture of in the 1983 Air-Britain book, Civil Aircraft Registers of Venezuela. It had two registrations, YV-T-OTO and then YV-T-HTJ. It was then sold to the U.S. as N11FE in 1970.

    FC
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    Hellcat - Paraguay and Venezuela

    Dear Fatcivvy !

    Thank You for the answer.

    I heard too about the Argentinean present of F6F to Paraguay.

    As for Venezuelan Wildcats YV-T-OTO and YV-T-HTJ - I am surprised !
    I thought, those were two different airplanes, with different registrations.

    What way You can to confirm this statement ?

    Flyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer View Post
    Dear Fatcivvy !

    Thank You for the answer.

    I heard too about the Argentinean present of F6F to Paraguay.

    As for Venezuelan Wildcats YV-T-OTO and YV-T-HTJ - I am surprised !
    I thought, those were two different airplanes, with different registrations.

    What way You can to confirm this statement ?

    Flyer.
    Sorry that it took me a couple of days to answer you.

    The aircraft concerned was built as a FM-2, BuA 86680 with the c/n 5734 and apparently, it's still flying today. I got the information from 4 separate sources. 2 were books; the first being the Air-Britain book, Civil Aircraft Registers of Venezuela that I mentioned above and the second being Warbirds Worldwide Directory by John Chapman and Geoff Goodall. I also checked it out on 2 on-line sources, these being;
    http://www.joebaugher.com/navy_seria...rdseries9.html and http://warbirdregistry.org/f4fregistry/f4f-86680.htm.

    I hope that this helps.

    FC

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    Paraguayan Hellcat, mentioned here -
    but don't know the reliability of these informations/sources!

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    F6F unknown quantity

    http://www.vectorsite.net/avf6f.html#m4
    "Hand-me-down Hellcats were also used by Argentina, France, Paraguay, and Uruguay."

    http://www.worldairforces.com/Countr...aguay/par.html
    Grumman F6F-5 Hellcat some

    http://www.aero-web.org/specs/grumman/f6f-5.htm
    "Argentina used 10 Hellcats from 1947, later passing some to Paraguay where they served until 1961."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer View Post
    2) During the discussion above mentioned, one author stated, that many years ago he saw the photo of Venezuelan civil Hellcat (!!!). And this man called to participants of LAAHS Forum to look for this unique photo. It is hard to believe, but, maybe, this photo really exists, and anybody saw it too ? Who knows more facts about "Venezuelan Hellcat" ? Any pictures ?
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    Venezuelan Wildcat

    That photo is exactly the same one as appeared in the Air-Britain Venezuelan registers. In the Warbirds Directory book that I mentioned in my last post, it also mentioned that the aircraft was modified into a 5 seater. I have to admit that I totally dismissed this out of hand as being totally implausible which is why I didn't mention it before. but looking at the photo and seeing the extra windows in the fuselage, just behind the wing, I'm now not quite so sure....

    Anyway, thanks very much for posting the photo.

    FC

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    El Salvador circa 1977
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatcivvy View Post
    That photo is exactly the same one as appeared in the Air-Britain Venezuelan registers. In the Warbirds Directory book that I mentioned in my last post, it also mentioned that the aircraft was modified into a 5 seater. I have to admit that I totally dismissed this out of hand as being totally implausible which is why I didn't mention it before. but looking at the photo and seeing the extra windows in the fuselage, just behind the wing, I'm now not quite so sure....
    Anyway, thanks very much for posting the photo.
    FC
    According to
    http://www.joebaugher.com/navy_seria...rdseries9.html
    and
    http://www.warbirdregistry.org/f4fre.../f4f-86680.htm
    BuNo. 86680
    N55558, N777A, YV-T-OTO, YV-T-HTJ, N11FE
    was/is a General Motors FM-2 Wildcat

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    F86 ?

    Took this shot in March 2008 at Tincontin, Honduras and shows what I believe to be an F86 fuselage lying upside down in the trees behind the Military Base. Unfortunately I could not get near it, for obvious reasons. But if anyone can add further details it would be appreciated. Note that it has AIR FORCE along the side of the fuselage (Do not know if that helps or confuses the issue ?)
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    In 1978 numerous Fennec's passed through the UK. I logged seven between January and September and if memory serves me right (not always full proof) they were all ex Moroccan.

    N99141
    N99160
    N99163
    N49308
    N54612/51-3690/Fennec 42
    N54613/51-3554/Fennec 48
    N9875A/51-7730/Fennec 4

    Of course this could be a red herring as I have no information on where they were heading at the time. Will let the experts sort that one out
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    Quote Originally Posted by wieesso View Post
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    Very interesting photo! I have always wondered what happened to all the Wildcats at the end of WW2. There were thousands of them and they vanished almost overnight. Great to see one that escaped the main carnage.
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    F-86K at Toncontin Airport

    Blackcat54:

    Good Day!

    Thanks for posting the fuselage F-86 pic at Toncontin, Honduras.

    That 's indeed 1 of 5 samples of the F-86Ks bought fm a Venezuelan recycling dealer, c. 1970. Poss S/N 55-XXXX for now. You are certainly correct, it is still upside down and wears the USAF logo on the sides. They were part of the spare parts bought by Venezuelan AF c. 1956-57 fm civilian dealers in W. Germany.

    p.s Plz pm me for other poss angles or pics of the same subject. Tks

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    T-28 Fennecs

    Blackcat54:

    Good day!!

    Whan an excellent find!

    Plz post other shots if you have 'em. Those are the possible T-28s bought by the Nicaraguan AF c. 1977-1978 when trouble was cooking in the central-american region. Some of them were confiscated at Ft. Lauderdale, Fla c. 1979-1980.

    The other batch that were flown fm Morocco were the Honduran bound T-28 Fennecs c. 1977-1978. Perhaps you were able to capture 'em also. Some of these samples were also confiscated at Ft. Lauderdale, Fla c. 1979.

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    Dear Wieesso and Fatcivvy !

    Thank You for Your participation in discussion about Venezuelan Hellcat (and Wildcat).
    Yes, mr Fatcivvy, this FM-2 is very small "passenger" aircraft, and I even saw the photos of this Wildcat's interior somewhere on the Net.

    And so, dear misters - can we consider the discussion about Venezuelan Hellcat closed ? Or not ? What are Your opinions ?

    I think, it is most probably, that this FM-2 Wildcat YV-T-OTO/YV-T-HTJ was mistakenly recognized as Hellcat - exteriors of these planes are similar, and even their names are similar (by "-cat" letters).

    Flyer.

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