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    Quote Originally Posted by beistrich
    of course you say it. and?
    beistrich, you may think the sun shine out of airbuses HQ. But I have news for you... its doesn't

    Despite the a320 for competition the 737NG series is the fastest ever airliner to hit 1,500 deliveries.
    The 777 has outstripped the A340 in sales, despite being launched after the A340.

    just a few truths. You can go and think what you want. I'm not going to discuss this with you anymore.
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    Although I am an Airbus person I have to agree with Sandy on that.

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    Could you stop the stupid A vs B debate ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by seahawk
    Could you stop the stupid A vs B debate ??
    its not a debate, per se.

    besides... did you not read the bit about me not discussing it any further
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bmused55
    beistrich, you may think the sun shine out of airbuses HQ. But I have news for you... its doesn't
    you are boeing-fan(sometimes a little fanatic) and I am a aviation- and airbus-fan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bmused55
    Despite the a320 for competition the 737NG series is the fastest ever airliner to hit 1,500 deliveries.
    The 777 has outstripped the A340 in sales, despite being launched after the A340.
    I know this numbers. But you know too that Airbus grow every year and they have more deliveres/year as boeing

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    I'm not going to discuss this with you anymore.
    and should this hit me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bmused55
    I was waiting for an A fan to say that.

    There is no logic to that statment at all.

    It means A sold more than B... nothing more.
    Everyone else knows im a big airbus fan or i wouldnt build an A320 cockpit in my garage, but im with bemused, Airbus have a bigger order book than Boeing nothing more.

    Neither one is better than the other. All aircraft manufacteurs make, for the most part, good aircraft that sometimes are in a niche market. This doesnt make one build better planes just in some cases more of then.

    If you use more orders makes the planes better than surly the B737 is better than the Airbus A320 family??

    The Boeing 777 is still a very good plane as is that B747 which has been in its own niche for the last decade and this "niche" will end when the A380 comes into service BUT this doesnt mean the A380 is better than the B747 they both have good and bad features!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dartie
    Does anyone have any pictures of sketches of what the A350 will look like ?
    what do u guys think abt this one ?
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    huh.....? .....u don like A & B

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    Quote Originally Posted by seahawk
    Could you stop the stupid A vs B debate ??
    Why? We all know that that's what any topic regarding large commercial aircraft really boils down to anyway.
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    Airbus edges ahead of Boeing in $6 bln Emirates order - report

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    LONDON (AFX) - Airbus Industrie is edging ahead of Boeing Co in a race to secure a 6 bln usd (4.6 bln eur) order from Emirates airline for its A350 mid-range aircraft, according to The Business.

    The newspaper did not name its source, but said Airbus's A350 aircraft is ahead of Boeing's 787 model for an order for up to 50 mid-sized aircraft.

    Talks between Airbus and Emirates are taking place this weekend. The A350, an A330 derivative, is emerging as favourite because the Boeing flagship plane is too small for Emirates' requirements. Price will also determine the winner, the newspaper said.

    The order could be announced at June's Paris air show, it said.

    At the same time the UK government, desperate to boost manufacturing in the wake of carmaker MG Rover's collapse, is preparing to offer controversial launch aid for the A350, the newspaper added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by US Agent
    Airbus edges ahead of Boeing in $6 bln Emirates order - report

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    05.01.2005, 03:17 PM
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    LONDON (AFX) - Airbus Industrie is edging ahead of Boeing Co in a race to secure a 6 bln usd (4.6 bln eur) order from Emirates airline for its A350 mid-range aircraft, according to The Business.

    The newspaper did not name its source, but said Airbus's A350 aircraft is ahead of Boeing's 787 model for an order for up to 50 mid-sized aircraft.

    Talks between Airbus and Emirates are taking place this weekend. The A350, an A330 derivative, is emerging as favourite because the Boeing flagship plane is too small for Emirates' requirements. Price will also determine the winner, the newspaper said.

    The order could be announced at June's Paris air show, it said.

    At the same time the UK government, desperate to boost manufacturing in the wake of carmaker MG Rover's collapse, is preparing to offer controversial launch aid for the A350, the newspaper added.
    Good on Airbus... but lets see what these "talks" produce.
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    This not a surprise.
    The A350 is afterall aimed at EK's needs.
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    Price will also determine the winner, the newspaper said.
    With "price slashing" the tactic of choice lately...we shouldn't rule out a Boeing win quite yet.
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    The Airbus A350-1000 - 1st delivery


    Qatar Airways' first A350-1041 - MSN 088, reg. A7-ANA (test reg. F-WZNR), with the cabin configuration C46 Y281, powered by two Trent XWB-97, three-shaft, high-bypass, turbofan engines (fan diameter: 118,0 in / 2.997,2 mm; BPR: 9,6:1; engine architecture: 1F–8IPC=6HPC1HPT=2IPT–6LPT), OPR: 50,0:1, each 431,48 kN / 44.000 kgf / 97.000 lbf, flying on the route TLS-DOH (FLT QR3351), was delivered to the customer on 21. Feb 2018. The aircraft first flew on 07. Dec 2017. At the same time this is the first aircraft of this type delivered to any of the customers.

    The first Airbus A350-1000 comes two decades after Qatar Airways took delivery of its first Airbus plane, the Airbus A300B4-622R, MSN 668, reg. A7-ABO, powered by two PW4156, twin-shaft, high-bypass, turbofan engines and just over three years since Qatar Airways took delivery of the first Airbus A350-941 aircraft, MSN 006, reg. A7-ALA. The Qatari carrier has been a big Airbus customer at every step of the way, and the Airbus A350 is the tool by which the airline will continue its climb.

    ...............Qatar Airways' Airbus A350-1041, MSN 088, reg. A7-ANA

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    ..........................Qatar Airways' 1st Airbus A350-1041 - MSN 088, reg. A7-ANA - delivery FLT QR3351 (TLS-DOH)


    The with its length of 73,78 m is the largest variant of the Airbus A350 family. It is to seat 366 passengers in a typical three-class layout with a range of 8.000 nmi / 14.800 km. With a 9-abreast configuration, it is designed to replace the Airbus A340-600 and compete with the aircraft 777-300ER and 777-9. Airbus estimates a 366-seat -1000 should have a 35 t lighter operating empty weight than a 398-seat 777-9, a 15% lower trip cost, a 7% lower seat cost, and a 400 nmi / 740 km greater range. Compared to a Boeing 777-300ER with 360 seats, Airbus claims a 25% fuel burn per seat advantage for a A350-1000 with 369 seats. The 7 m / 23 ft extension seats 40 more passengers with 40% more premium area. The -1000 can match the 40 more seats of the 777-9 by going 10-abreast but with diminished comfort.


    The Airbus A350-1000 has an 11-frame stretch over the -900 and a slightly larger wing than the -800/-900 models with trailing-edge extension increasing its area by 4%. This will extend the high-lift devices and the ailerons, making the chord bigger by around 400 mm, optimising flap lift performance as well as cruise performance. The main landing gear is a 6-wheel bogie instead of a 4-wheel, put in a one frame longer bay.

    In 2011, Airbus redesigned the A350-1000 with higher weights and a more powerful engine variant for more range for trans-Pacific operations which will boost its appeal to Cathay Pacific, Singapore Airlines which committed to 20 777-9 and United Airlines which could turn to Boeing 777-300ERs to replace its 747-400s. Emirates Airlines was disappointed with the changes and cancelled its order for 50 A350-900s and 20 A350-1000s instead of converting the whole order to the larger variant. Instead of Airbus A350s, Emirates on 12. Nov 2017 announced its commitment for 40 Boeing 787-10 Dreamliners.

    The A350-1000 flight-test programm planned for in 1.600 flight hours; 600 hours on the first aircraft, MSN 059, for the flight envelope, systems and powerplant checks, 500 hours on MSN 071 for cold and warm campaigns, landing gear checks and high-altitude tests and 500 hours on MSN 065 for route proving and ETOPS assessment, with an interior layout for cabin development and certification.


    Type Certification was awarded by EASA on 21. Nov 2017, along with FAA's certification. The first serial unit was on the final assembly line in early December. After its maiden flight on 07. Dec 2017, delivery to launch customer, Qatar Airways, slipped to early 2018. The delay was due to issues with the business class seat installation. It was delivered on 20. Feb 2018 and entered commercial service on Qatar Airways' Doha to London Heathrow route on 24. Feb 2018.

    The aircraft features an automatic emergency descent function to around 3.000 m (approximately 10.000 ft) and notifies air traffic control if the crew fails to respond to an alert, indicating possible incapacitation from depressurisation. The avionics software adaptation is activated by a push and pull button to avoid mistakes and could be retrofitted in the smaller A350-900. All performance targets have been met or exceeded and it remains within its weight specification, unlike early −900s. Its basic 308 t / 679.024 lb maximum take-off weight was bumped to 311 t / 685.638 lb before offering a possible 316 t / 696.661 lb version.

    ..............Brand new Qatar Airways' Airbus A350-1041, reg. A7-ANA, accompanied by a smaller brother from the fleet, Airbus A350-941, reg. A7-ALY, on its way home

    The Trent XWB-97 is the highest thrust engine ever certified by the factory, the highest operating temperatures and the most advanced cooling systems Rolls-Royce has ever designed in a civil engine. For the engine operators' point of view there is deliberately very little visible difference, or indeed operating difference, between the models XWB-84 and XWB-97. All the mechanical systems are the same for both engines, so from a basic maintenance point of view, the airlines will find that 80% of the replacement line items and tools are identical. Physically the engines look the same; in fact you may need to look at the nameplate to tell the difference from the outside. However, inside the Trent XWB-97 engine the changes are notable. The front fan has the same number of blades (22) and is the same diameter at 2.997,2 mm / 118,0 in, but it runs around 6% faster. The engine core has been scaled up in size to cope with the consequential increased airflow into the compressor and, in this engine, the combustor and turbines run hotter than in the XWB-84. Another difference in the XWB-97 is the wider use of blisks (bladed disks) across both the HP and IP compressors. Blisks improve aerodynamic efficiency, whilst having a reduced weight over conventional assemblies. The first stage intermediate compressor blisk of the Trent XWB-97 is the largest that Rolls-Royce has produced to date on a civil application. The innovations don't stop at the compressor though, the high-pressure turbine gets additional technology too. The XWB-97 engine development programme has also featured components produced by additive layer manufacturing (ALM, or sometimes commonly known as 3D printing). Rolls-Royce claimed a world record for the largest aero-engine component assembly ever manufactured in this way with a 1,5 m diameter front bearing housing for the XWB-97 engine. The ring of ALM vanes form the inlet to the engine’s core and each vane has an intricate series of heating passages inside them that can be used by an anti-icing system to protect the engine during adverse weather conditions.


    To get the performance and efficiency from this machine Rolls-Royce needed to grow the turbine temperature capability to a level higher than with any large aero engine in the past. Maintaining thermal efficiency at those higher temperatures is critical, so it was invested in new materials and coatings for the high-pressure turbine blades, but in employment of an intelligent cooling system that provides the right amount of cooling air to the blade throughout the flight cycle. Modulating the cooling air means the engine can always operate at maximum efficiency, whilst protecting the turbine blade and maximising its on-wing life. Very aggressive endurance testing on the turbine were conducted all to achieve the balancing durability against efficiency. Except being a very robust, in the same time Trent XWB is currently the world's most efficient turbofan engine.

    .......................................Please scroll down the linked page to see the video file

    The Airbus A350-1000's engine – the Trent XWB-97 was successfully flight-tested, mounted on the inner left, No. 2 (port-side inboard), engine pylon of the A380-841 aircraft, MSN 001, reg. F-WWOW, dedicated A380 Flying-Test-Bed, replacing one of the aircraft's Trent 900 turbofans. The flight testing of the 97.000 lb thrust engine started on 05. Nov 2015, twelve months before the first flight of the new Airbus A350-1000, on 24. Nov 2016. The flight-test program was including evaluation in hot weather, as well as in icing conditions. As well as demonstrating operability and performance, the tests confirmed the engine relight envelope. Subsequent tests was concentrating on maturity tests, including further thermal-endurance and cyclic trials. The specially enhanced Trent XWB engine produces 431,48 kN / 44.000 kgf / 97.000 lbf of thrust on take-off, thus making it the most powerful engine ever developed for an Airbus aircraft. Rolls-Royce has plans to "build in" technologies developed from the Trent XWB-97 testing into the Trent XWB-84.


    The Trent XWB-84 EP (Enhanced Performance) goes beyond the original Trent XWB-84 performance target levels, offering a fuel consumption improvement of 1%. The Trent XWB-84 EP incorporates technologies from the higher thrust Trent XWB-97 engine, the Advance engine programme and other future technology research. The first Trent XWB-84 EP delivery will be in Q4 2019 to Singapore Airlines and the upgraded engine will also be offerable to other existing customers with deliveries after this date.

    Technology improvements on the Trent XWB-84 EP include:

    - Improved turbine cooling and aerodynamics from the Trent XWB-97 and Advance programmes
    - Improved secondary air system and interstage sealing from the Trent XWB-97 programme
    - Further optimisation of Trent XWB-84 turbine tip clearance control system, based on recent improvements on other programmes

    The Trent XWB-84 and the Trent XWB-84 EP are entirely interchangeable and intermixable – any A350-900 can be powered by a combination of both engines – to enable simplicity in service...

    This is a video of the world's very first Airbus A350-1000's flight from Toulouse to Doha Hamad International Airport on the brand new Qsuite, really clear and with a lots of details...

    .............

    ....Mario

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    Air Asia threatens to cancel its A350 order, probably reverting to A330neo due to its high price.

    “The A350 is not an aircraft we will buy,” AirAsia X co-group CEO Tony Fernandes said in a Facebook Live chat from London. “Too expensive. Fares would go up.”
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    In the meantime Air Asia can wait and pick up A350s when they come off lease.
    Not every airline wants, needs or can pay the price for the latest and greatest. Sometimes low fares are the consideration.

    Back in the '60s-70s, Icelandic Air had a niche doing low fare trans Atlantic flights...with used Brittanias. They were the carrier for students on holiday.
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    Never flown on an Airbus, but really like the look of it.

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