Key.Aero Network
Register Free

Results 1 to 25 of 25

Thread: Did something happen to the Su-57 thread?

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    1,162

    Did something happen to the Su-57 thread?

    Am I going blind or is the Su-57 thread gone?

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    1,684
    AGAIN! Hope only temporary.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    6,421
    If so(And i think it is..), just make a New one.

    Related issue;
    After this forum got a facelift a dew years back, when they messed up with the quote function. The cellphone application for this forum also got wrecked.
    If i post with my phone. I usually mess up due to autospell issue.
    So when i try to edit my post from my phone, the whole post gets deleted..
    It's highly annoying.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Near Colombo, Sri Lanka
    Posts
    1,620
    *sigh*

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    6,421
    My point was, there might be similar problems for the moderators. Thread getting deleted due to some bug with the Forum, when they delete(moderateing) someones post..

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    1,684
    Or maybe it's better not to have one dedicated thread for it and post the very few news about it in the general russian one.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    224
    Will need to wait until the new thread gets started so we can get back to the discussion around the shocking admission of program failure by Russian officials.

    Our less.... intellectual posters can get back to their personal attacks again, get reported, thread deleted and around we go again.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Cantabrigia
    Posts
    1,370
    Yet another thread has been deleted without explanation, removing not only postings whose signal-to-noise ratio left much to be desired, but also a significant amount of useful information contributed by individual members of the 'Modern Military Aviation' forum.

    But the future predicted by ActionJackson hardly seems viable. I believe that it is now time for many of us to decide whether we are prepared to carry on gathering and posting items of aerospace-related information that could be deleted without warning, apparently at the whim of one or more anonymous and unaccountable individuals who, in the words of my old colleague Mercurius Edinensis, "come into their chairs...none knows how".

    We do not know what life experience or other training is thought to have qualified them for the role that they serve. Nor are we told the rules (if any) that seem to allow some individual posters to repeatedly post nationalistic or political diatribes that add little to our communal knowledge, but cause threads to eventually be 'nuked', permanently erasing the contributions that other more responsible members have made. When a thread vanishes, we are given no explanation as to why potentially useful information has been removed.

    The 'Modern Military Aviation' forum is a collective work created by its individual members. Without us and our individual contributions, it can serve little purpose. But we seem to have no voice in how it is run, or right of appeal against thread deletions.
    Mercurius Cantabrigiensis

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    "Where the fruit is"
    Posts
    5,336
    @Mercurius: I am totally on the same opinion. sadly, this is a trend widely found all across the internet'a forums where the expertise and time lost to ensure the quality of the thread is often disregarded in front of other priorities. Internet (and this is paradoxal) widely disregard IP question.

    Quote Originally Posted by ActionJackson
    [...] the shocking admission of program failure by Russian officials.
    When was that?! I last read about the order of 12 Airframe.
    Last edited by TomcatViP; 5th July 2018 at 11:49.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    1,162
    Quote Originally Posted by TomcatVIP
    When was that?! I last read about the order of 12 Airframe.
    It was one of the usual news related releases that Austin posts. Haavarla and myself made some comments before the thread got... nuked.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    224
    Is this the same issue that I remember happened a long time ago when the thread starter deleted his original post (Joe Asakura) which in turn deleted the thread? Perhaps if the thread starter is not someone who's likely to have a tantrum and thread delete when articles like below get a bit of attention, or if knuckle draggers could just control their emotions a bit better and not have threads deleted by admins.

    http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=485254

    Moscow. On July 4. Interfax-AVn - Promising fighter Su-57 it is necessary to consider as excellent aircraft with the export potential, but main efforts must be concentrated during the creation of transitional machine, stated on Wednesday “to Interfax-AVN” the head of the commission of the State Duma for the legal guarantee of development of organizations OPK, the first Vice President of the union of the machine builders of RF Vladimir Gutenev.

    “I assume that the fighter of the sixth generation will be the transitional machine between the aircraft, still controlled by man, and in the pilotless intellectual impact complexes (BIUK) - in this case we speak about air BIUK, which can because of their intellect carry out stated problems by the, including sufficiently concentrated groups”, he said, commenting on the statement of the Vice-Premier of Russian Federation of Yuri Borisov, that mass deliveries in VKS of Russia the fighters of the fifth generation Su-57 within the next few years it will not be.

    “I am to a considerable degree solidary with the words Yuri Ivanovich (Borisov) apropos of the fact that hardly is worth expecting the concentrated purchases Su-57”, noted V. Gutenev. “With the undoubted merits of this machine we, it is certain, we understand, that the start to program was daN still in 2001, and the implementation of program on a whole series of objective reasons was tightened (originally it was planned in 2006 - 2007 to conduct flight tests, and since 2014 already to supply the troops), in connection with the very dynamic development of technologies - this concerns the systems of electroninc warfare, and new composite materials, and the new opportunities, which allow additive technologies from the point of view of the design reduction of prices of machines”, it established.

    “Well, and certainly, this is connected with the fact that we possess the very perfect machines - this Su-34 and Su-35, which themselves appeared well”, noted V. Gutenev. “Up to 2023-2024 on Su-57 is not assumed installation of the motor of the second stage, whose tests only began, this - “article 30”, and without looking at the fact that our machine is considerably cheaper (according to my estimations, 2.5 times, than the foreign analogs of the 5th generation), but nevertheless it considerably more expensive requires thinner services in comparison with Su-34 and Su-35”, added V. Gutenev.

    “Therefore I am solidary with the opinion Yuri Ivanovich (Borisov), according to whom we already have an experience, when because of the reasonable technical policy actually they jumped over through the generation, to a considerable degree economizing budget”, he said. “We for sure could within the framework of a short term stay in February of this year our machines Su-57 in Syria refine a number of the possible and associated data according to the ability F-22 and F-35 on the detection of our aircraft - telemetry gave essential occasion for their improvement”, noted V. Gutenev.

    “Therefore concentration (efforts) during the transitional, 6th generation, me seems, it would be much more expedient, and the 5th generation must serve in the maloseriynom version finalizing the technical tasks, which would make it possible from one side to capitalize on the outside markets for the expenditures, carried along this machine, and the other side - to improve systems (promising aircraft)”, it were confident V. Gutenev.

    “This is - the extremely rational and correct approach, which ensures the balance between the interests of defense-industrial complex (OPK) and customer”, it counts. Deputy assumes that in the interests OPK it would be “sufficient simply to form export appearance Su-57 with the engine of the second stage”. “This is - the absolutely accurate and pragmatic solution”, it is confident.
    Last edited by ActionJackson; 5th July 2018 at 11:47.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    1,162
    ActionJackson

    I have started a new thread, could you please move that to the new thread please? (I am on my phone)

    cheers

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    6,421
    I'm pretty certain i was not the thread starter of the now missing thread.

    But i'm telling you guys. Be carefull when posting from cellphone. This forum is not 100% compatible with Cellphones application

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    "Where the fruit is"
    Posts
    5,336
    Thanks ActionJackson.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    1,162
    Quote Originally Posted by haavarla
    I'm pretty certain i was not the thread starter of the now missing thread.
    Are you sure? We have had so many threads, you may have started that one...

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Posts
    1,426
    The thread got deleted because someone (falcondude) posted some politically charged partisan nonsense about the su 57.

    If you want the threads to last, stop posting politically charged nonsense.

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    1,162
    Quote Originally Posted by KGB
    The thread got deleted because someone (falcondude) posted some politically charged partisan nonsense about the su 57.

    If you want the threads to last, stop posting politically charged nonsense.
    What exactly was politically charged -in other words what did I post exactly, or even better, prove it.

    Oh and second how do you know that is the reason? Are you a moderator or did you delete the thread ?

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Nizhny Novgorod, Russia
    Posts
    1,282
    Prohibit the publication of news from Russia! This is all Propaganda!

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Posts
    1,426
    You are an insider Paralay. What's the deal. Is the Pak Fa program a failure ? Lol

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Nizhny Novgorod, Russia
    Posts
    1,282
    The forecast of production of a T-50 fighter while maintaining the existing dynamics

    Name:  temp.JPG
Views: 532
Size:  191.5 KB

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    94
    Mercurius

    Yet another thread has been deleted without explanation, removing not only postings whose signal-to-noise ratio left much to be desired, but also a significant amount of useful information contributed by individual members of the 'Modern Military Aviation' forum.

    But the future predicted by ActionJackson hardly seems viable. I believe that it is now time for many of us to decide whether we are prepared to carry on gathering and posting items of aerospace-related information that could be deleted without warning, apparently at the whim of one or more anonymous and unaccountable individuals who, in the words of my old colleague Mercurius Edinensis, "come into their chairs...none knows how".

    We do not know what life experience or other training is thought to have qualified them for the role that they serve. Nor are we told the rules (if any) that seem to allow some individual posters to repeatedly post nationalistic or political diatribes that add little to our communal knowledge, but cause threads to eventually be 'nuked', permanently erasing the contributions that other more responsible members have made. When a thread vanishes, we are given no explanation as to why potentially useful information has been removed.

    The 'Modern Military Aviation' forum is a collective work created by its individual members. Without us and our individual contributions, it can serve little purpose. But we seem to have no voice in how it is run, or right of appeal against thread deletions.
    Completely agree, this feels like having done something wrong that has annoyed the Gods and not knowing what it was. It is simply ridiculous.

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Posts
    1,426
    The post was deleted because politically charged childish partisan nonsense was posted.

    The same sophists who got the last thread deleted are starting the next thread off with the actual nonsense that got the thread deleted.

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Jan 2000
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    5,303
    A method to prevent the wholesale loss of a hundred pages of posts with useful data is to limit a thread to an arbitrary number of pages, maybe 5 pages, before starting a new thread. This would limit the loss to 5 pages at a time. Of course, this assumes the Mod will not nuke the entire series of threads which have SU-57 in the title.

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Cantabrigia
    Posts
    1,370
    The problem is that entire threads get deleted. Reducing the thread size would only be a damage-limitation exercise.

    Despite my age, I am still an occasional speaker at international aerospace/defence conferences, and in the past have chaired several conferences. At any of these events, there is always the risk that some speakers will break the conference rules by delivering what are essentially product-promotional presentations. But when that happens, the conference organisers do not send a couple of burly security staff to interrupt the culprit and remove him from the podium, and would never respond by cancelling the entire session and deleting from the published conference proceedings all the papers that were due to be delivered in that session.

    But what is happening on this forum is that instead of tackling individuals who post nationalistic diatribes or similar nonsense, moderators delete the entire thread, including all the useful information that other forum members have posted. So it is hardly surprising that the number of productive posters is declining. For example, several years ago a senior Jane's editor who had joined this forum soon saw several of his postings 'nuked' by a moderator. That editor is no longer an active member of our forum, while the moderator in question later resigned in a fit of pique.
    Mercurius Cantabrigiensis

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    6,421
    If anyone should try to get this to the Forum Moderators attention
    Then it should be you Mercurius.

    Good luck🙄

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

 

- Part of the    Network -

KEY AERO AVIATION NEWS

MAGAZINES

AVIATION FORUM

SHOP

 

WEBSITES