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    Summary of what happened tonight:

    1 #Israel Targeted SAA in south #Syria
    2 #SAA responded by targeting the Israeli army positions in Jolan Heights
    3 Israel tried to target Syrian positions with Stand-off missiles
    4 SAA intercepted 70% of the missiles and re-targeted Israel

    https://twitter.com/WaelAlRussi/stat...00552531513344

    Syrian state T.V confirmed that #Israel managed to hit a radar

    And i can confirm that Israel managed to knock an S-200 illuminating radar.
    Near Al Swida’a This is the only loss between the #Syria/n AD systems that i can confirm tonight. (At least for now)
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    Sticking with official and verified accounts rather than random twitter. This is something the IDF has released after the strikes. By my account, this is the first instance where the Israeli side has acknowledged strikes inside Syria as they were happening.




    https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-ov...y-many-months/
    Last edited by bring_it_on; 10th May 2018 at 10:35.
    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    Russian MOD Press

    28 Israeli jets fired about 60 rockets in overnight strikes on Syria – Russian MoD


    https://www.rt.com/news/426328-israel-28-jets-syria/
    Some 28 Israeli aircraft fired around 60 air-to-surface rockets in a massive overnight strike in Syria, according to the Russian Defense Ministry. Syrian air-defense systems managed to intercept more than half of the missiles.

    A total of 70 projectiles, including 60 air-to-surface rockets and more than 10 surface-to-surface missiles, hit Iranian military targets and Syrian air-defense systems near Damascus and in the south of the country on Thursday morning, the Russian military said in a statement.

    “28 Israeli F-15 and F-16 planes were involved in the attack,” the ministry said. “Syrian air-defense systems shot down more than half of the rockets as they repelled the Israeli attack.”


    Israeli forces bombed the Syrian territory for two hours between 1:45am and 3:45am local time on Thursday. The attack was carried out under the pretext of allegations that Iranian forces had earlier hit Israeli targets in the Golan Heights.

    The damage inflicted on Iranian military and Syrian civilian infrastructure by the airstrikes is being evaluated.
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    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    “28 Israeli F-15 and F-16 planes were involved in the attack,” the ministry said. “Syrian air-defense systems claimed to have shot down more than half of the rockets as they attempted to repel the Israeli attack.”
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    Some photos and videos of what appears to be Syrian PVO engaging Israeli missiles:

    https://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/812620.html

    https://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/812982.html
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    The damage inflicted on Iranian military and Syrian civilian infrastructure by the airstrikes is being evaluated
    At Mezzeh last night -

    Last edited by bring_it_on; 10th May 2018 at 18:39.
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    RIP to the fallen, there at least 1 soldier died there.

    The pantsyr appears to be inactive. maybe those 4 people at left were crews, resting after attack and not expecting a followup.

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    The pantisir were reloading hence inactive
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    Probably wasted all their interceptors on those 50-70% of “incoming missiles” that were actually “incoming decoys” then were left defenceless against the real thing.

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    We should sell them some MALD-Js
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    The pantisir were reloading hence inactive
    I don't see any evidence of that. Could you show any that corroborates your claim? How would we be able to tell that the system was reloading? Would there be a reloading truck with missile rounds that we could track? Would there be extra people to help unload and load the rounds? If so, where in the video is all of that? That claim is just about as credible as someone claiming that they supposedly < Alert > crew had met its daily quota of 20 intercepts and was taking a much deserved break
    Last edited by bring_it_on; 11th May 2018 at 12:51.
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    Probably wasted all their interceptors on those 50-70% of “incoming missiles” that were actually “incoming decoys” then were left defenceless against the real thing.
    There are different claims floating around in terms of type and quantity of weapons used. Regardless, in the Official Russian MOD statement posted above that claimed that "A total of 70 projectiles...hit targets". Regardless, striking an AD system less than 10 km from the heart of the Syrian capital is pretty big and also signals that weapons and perhaps even delivery platforms (UAV's) can get that deep and close to the heart of the regime. Also, from wreckage imagery floating around (unverified) it does not appear that any aircraft, or UAV was taken down so if this was the case then that too is fairly impressive given that this one of the largest if not the largest operations the IDF has carried out in Syria.

    Claims and counter claims aside (the one twitter account shared earlier was actually live-tweeting missile intercept counts sitting in a basement somewhere ) Israeli forces were able to target a boatload of targets deep inside Syria without any loss of material or life on their end. They have been at it for the last several years and have only lost one F-16 during that timeframe so it is pretty clear that there isn't much Syria can do to stop just about anyone from flying in and bombing whoever or whenever they please. Of course all the big powers keep each other informed and follow the process of de-confliction that they have likely developed together, and the local SAA gets shafted. The Mezzeh airport which was targeted appears to have been just a few km from the Presidential Palace so one would assume that this area would have dense AD coverage along with the most competent personnel.

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    Notice that at no time did the SAF launch a single fighter to counter/alter the strikes.

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    “The pantisir were reloading hence inactive”

    That was being circulated by Twitterbots all over sites since IDF released the video. From the footage, looks more likely they had no idea there were strikes inbound.

    Have to hand it to the IDF for media flair. All these claims about Syrian AD shooting down 75 cruise missiles and 70% of ordinance, etc. IDF releases a video of Pantisir getting taken out. I don’t think their choice of footage released was accident, there is a bit of a middle finger in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bring_it_on View Post
    There are different claims floating around in terms of type and quantity of weapons used. Regardless, in the Official Russian MOD statement posted above that claimed that "A total of 70 projectiles...hit targets". Regardless, striking an AD system less than 10 km from the heart of the Syrian capital is pretty big and also signals that weapons and perhaps even delivery platforms (UAV's) can get that deep and close to the heart of the regime. Also, from wreckage imagery floating around (unverified) it does not appear that any aircraft, or UAV was taken down so if this was the case then that too is fairly impressive given that this one of the largest if not the largest operations the IDF has carried out in Syria.

    Claims and counter claims aside (the one twitter account shared earlier was actually live-tweeting missile intercept counts sitting in a basement somewhere ) Israeli forces were able to target a boatload of targets deep inside Syria without any loss of material or life on their end. They have been at it for the last several years and have only lost one F-16 during that timeframe so it is pretty clear that there isn't much Syria can do to stop just about anyone from flying in and bombing whoever or whenever they please. Of course all the big powers keep each other informed and follow the process of de-confliction that they have likely developed together, and the local SAA gets shafted. The Mezzeh airport which was targeted appears to have been just a few km from the Presidential Palace so one would assume that this area would have dense AD coverage along with the most competent personnel.
    Honestly, I am not sure what the big deal is.. IDF has attacked a war torn country which has not received any useful modern equipment since ages, sans few dozens of Pantsirs.. Throughout the six-year war Syria has most of its military resources depleted and its today's military is hardly a shadow of the former self, albeit much more experienced now..

    To paint an analogy, it equals a well trained professional boxer coming out on the street from his apt and spreading into a badly beaten and bruised fella having been assaulted by a bunch of criminals, only to punch him in the face.. What is there to be so damn proud of is beyond me..

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    There are unverified claims of Spike NLOS having been used as close as a few dozen km from Damascus. If true, this would mean UAV's were able to basically get within 20-30 miles of the capital. So far, no wreckage of UAS shoot down has surfaced which would mean that they pretty much did what they had to at those tactical ranges. Syrian AD capacity is pretty shoddy and most who want to, can get in and do what they have to do and get out unharmed. Despite of that, you are still flying into a dangerous environment with a lot of legacy SAM systems, crews on alert, and the IDF gets missiles shot at it nearly all the time (some were recovered from Lebanon this time as well). That they have been able to do what they need to do, at times deep inside Syria, is why I said :

    there isn't much Syria can do to stop just about anyone from flying in and bombing whoever or whenever they please.
    But there is always a chance Of course that failures in Mission Planning, Innovative use of AD systems, equipment malfunction, and sheer luck can result in everything going South, which is why I find it quite remarkable that the IDF has so far had no serious loss of material or life. Of course, SAA claims of them shooting down b/w 50-100% of the weapons every time, aside.
    Last edited by bring_it_on; 11th May 2018 at 14:30.
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    Keep telling yourself that it’s not a big deal and perhaps you’ll eventually believe it.

    Where the hell are the vaunted Russian air defence systems and Su-30s during this raid which lasted over an hour less than 15 mins flight time away from Latakia?

    Russian media are calling “mission complete” in their effort to keep Assad in power in true George W style meanwhile the west is taking (and holding) swaths of territory in the south with aircraft bombing the capital with impunity.

    How’s Russia going to respond when the missiles start hitting its allies around Latakia itself? A year ago, you’d swear the Russian airforce was a force to reckon with due to multitudes of fap-worthy videos of heroic flanker pilots lumbering into battle with their whole 2 fab-500s mounted under wing, but now its really looking like a paper tiger. There’s no mention of any challenges to Israeli or Western aircraft, not even the threat of it.

    https://www.rt.com/news/423774-us-missiles-targeted-russia/
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    It would be foolish to believe that the IDF and the Russian Forces in the region did not coordinate or adequately de-conflict. They have a bi-lateral relationship and channels of communication to adequately address their concerns. The Russians forces aren't going to go to war with Israel over what the IDF does in Syria (or Vice Versa). Each side is clear on that. With Israel, Russia, Iran, Turkey and the Coalition all actively involved, on a regular basis, in Syria, the SAA is just a spectator and helpless to do much about anything.

    How’s Russia going to respond when the missiles start hitting its allies around Latakia itself?
    Who would be foolish enough to escalate this to that level in the region?
    Last edited by bring_it_on; 11th May 2018 at 14:27.
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    If Iran places rockets there I don’t think Israel will hesitate for a moment.

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    And why would Iran be allowed to place rockets there?
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    Are you implying Russia now governs the entire region around Latakia and they won’t allow it.

    Last I heard, it was a part of Syria where the Iranians are allowed to place weapons wherever they please, even in the capital.

    Any way you look at it, Russia doesn’t have the nerve (or ability perhaps?) to protect its allies so doesn’t try. That is clear now.
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    Where the hell are the vaunted Russian air defence systems and Su-30s during this raid which lasted over an hour less than 15 mins flight time away from Latakia?
    There are several other things but bottom line is Russia using Israel to contain EU . who built Crimea bridge. Rottenbergs.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-man-in-moscow
    We have a lot of American businesses who are going to be there,” Huntsman said in a video posted Thursday on the embassy’s Twitter account. “It’s a very important time to talk about the future economic relationship between the United States and Russia.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by OooShiny View Post
    Keep telling yourself that it’s not a big deal and perhaps you’ll eventually believe it.

    Where the hell are the vaunted Russian air defence systems and Su-30s during this raid which lasted over an hour less than 15 mins flight time away from Latakia?

    Russian media are calling “mission complete” in their effort to keep Assad in power in true George W style meanwhile the west is taking (and holding) swaths of territory in the south with aircraft bombing the capital with impunity.

    How’s Russia going to respond when the missiles start hitting its allies around Latakia itself? A year ago, you’d swear the Russian airforce was a force to reckon with due to multitudes of fap-worthy videos of heroic flanker pilots lumbering into battle with their whole 2 fab-500s mounted under wing, but now its really looking like a paper tiger. There’s no mention of any challenges to Israeli or Western aircraft, not even the threat of it.

    https://www.rt.com/news/423774-us-mi...rgeted-russia/
    No Su-30s or vaunted Russian systems in play there.. I have pointed it out clearly several times that Russians would not move a finger to get into a conflict with Israel in order to protect Iranian assets in Syria.. why would they even think about doing something as foolish as this? It's quite obvious that Russia and Israel are coordinating their actions in the background.. They might not be having identical interests, but they surely do respect each other's assets.. This is still Syria vs. Israel, not Russia vs. Israel..
    Finally, who said that Russian and Iranian interests in Syria are completely equal...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OooShiny View Post
    Are you implying Russia now governs the entire region around Latakia and they won’t allow it.
    Last I heard, it was a part of Syria where the Iranians are allowed to place weapons wherever they please, even in the capital.
    Any way you look at it, Russia doesn’t have the nerve (or ability perhaps?) to protect its allies so doesn’t try. That is clear now.
    Quite on the contrary.. but the question is who is an ally.. Is Iran more important to Russia than Israel? I don't think so.. In many aspects, Iran is a geopolitical opponent to Russia.. the net of bilateral relationships in that region is much more complex than your simple imagination allows to realize..

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    I don't see any evidence of that. Could you show any that corroborates your claim?
    I don't see any reloading truck nearby either, but the search radar is clearly not operational, which makes it clear the system was not actually on at the moment of the strike.

    I don’t think their choice of footage released was accident, there is a bit of a middle finger in there.
    Well, let's be honest here, since we are talking claims- Israel has made big claims regarding destroying all Syrian AD numerous times in past strikes, I think they claimed 50% destroyed in February or something similar.
    And the few actually not-decades-old Syrian AD assets keep surfacing, so far this Pantsir is the only modern asset hit.
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    Every country has its own importance in separate distinct situations. . Iran role is to fight other Arabs so they can buy more expensive weopons / further raise energy prices, forced to buy cheaper Russian grains and decrease investment in EU. it is not some rigid structures like useless warsaw pact.
    military strength comes from advance scientific achievments plus industrial, logisitical efficiency. you can already see this thing of about 80 fighters/helicopters fly past in Moscow at compress time on narrow corridor.
    http://www.dw.com/en/germany-seeks-r...ion/a-43745277
    Germany seeks Russian support after Donald Trump's Iran decision

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    I don't see any reloading truck nearby either, but the search radar is clearly not operational, which makes it clear the system was not actually on at the moment of the strike.
    It must have broken down - otherwise shouldn't air defence radars be running 24/7?

    Well, let's be honest here, since we are talking claims- Israel has made big claims regarding destroying all Syrian AD numerous times in past strikes, I think they claimed 50% destroyed in February or something similar.
    And the few actually not-decades-old Syrian AD assets keep surfacing, so far this Pantsir is the only modern asset hit.
    The AD assets keep surfacing every time the Israeli air force arrives and it keeps failing to destroy Israeli aircraft (except for 1 F-16) and keeps failing to protect Syrian territory and Syrian assets. One can safely say that the IAF owns the skies over Syria.

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    how they are failing. unless you have the data. If airdefence system in particular area designed for 20 targets simultaneous engagement and you sent 60 missiles. it is going to fail anyway. but it gives good practice for dealing with mass attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    Quite on the contrary.. but the question is who is an ally.. Is Iran more important to Russia than Israel? I don't think so.. In many aspects, Iran is a geopolitical opponent to Russia.. the net of bilateral relationships in that region is much more complex than your simple imagination allows to realize..
    Surprised you didn’t come right out with a “you’re a poopie head”.

    Regardless of any dependencies Russia has on Israel, you’re failing to grasp the impact the events are having on the regional and global impression of Russia Putin has fought for years to establish.

    The events of the past month are not painting a picture of Russia being the great big pillar of strength to rally the ME against their economic target, the Saudis or their strategic enemy, the US.

    They’ve completely ignored the continued, direct attacks on assets of two countries considered globally to be amongst their closest (though the list is short) allies. In fact they haven’t just ignored the attacks they’ve been complicit as evidenced by the SA-22 crew being caught completely off guard.

    The bleating about evil Israel on their news sites while taking no action only indicates that they’re offended by what’s happening but are powerless in this situation.

    US canning the nuclear agreement shows the US backs out of deals with enemies, but Russia, as demonstrated, is a fair weather friend.
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