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    Syria related aviation events, news and discussion

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-iran...073205275.html



    'Iranians killed in suspected Israeli strike' in Syria

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    The Telegraph•April 30, 2018



    Israel has carried out a number of strikes against Iran and Hizbollah in Syria



    Israel has carried out a number of strikes against Iran and Hizbollah in Syria



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    Missile strikes overnight in central Syria killed at least 26 pro-regime fighters, most of them Iranians, a monitor said Monday.



    The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the missiles struck a military base in the province of Hama late Sunday, in an assault it said bore the hallmarks of an Israeli operation.



    "At least 26 fighters were killed, including four Syrians," the monitor said, adding that the main target of the missile strike was the base of the regime's 47th Brigade.



    "The others are foreign fighters, a vast majority of them Iranians," said Rami Abdel Rahman, the head of the Britain-based war monitor.



    "Given the nature of the target, it is likely to have been an Israeli strike," he said, adding that strikes also hit an air base in nearby Aleppo province where surface-to-surface missiles were stored.







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    Syrian state media late Sunday had denounced a "fresh aggression" following reported raids by "enemy missiles".



    Israeli Intelligence Minister Yisrael Katz told army radio on Monday morning that he was "not aware" of the latest strikes.



    But, he said, "all the violence and instability in Syria is the result of Iran's attempts to establish a military presence there. Israel will not allow the opening of a northern front in Syria."



    The latest strikes came amid heightened tensions in Syria after Damascus and its ally Iran accused Israel on April 9 of conducting deadly strikes against a military base in the centre of the country.



    At least 14 soldiers, including seven Iranians, were killed in the strike on a military base in Homs province.



    Days later, on April 14, the United States, France and Britain bombarded several Syrian regime military positions in response to a suspected chemical attack on the rebel stronghold of Douma which killed dozens, according to rescue services.



    Syria remains technically at war with neighbouring Israel, which is concerned at the growing presence of Iranian forces and those of Tehran's Lebanese ally Hezbollah on Syrian territory.



    Israeli Defence Minister Avigdor Lieberman vowed in an interview Thursday to strike at any attempt by Iran to establish a "military foothold" in Syria.



    "If they attack Tel Aviv, we'll strike Tehran," he told the Arabic-language Elaph news website.



    US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday in Tel Aviv, lashed out at Iran's "ambition to dominate the Middle East".

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    Turkey is reportedly moving more ASELSAN KORAL EW Systems into Syria.

    The Aselsan Koral has a range of 600 km and can jam or spoof radar, communications and GPS signals.




    Turkish Anka-I SIGINT/ELINT/EW MALE UAV systems spotted over Manbij: https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2018/...ards-the-syria

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    'Iranians killed in suspected Israeli strike' in Syria
    Reported airstrikes in Aleppo with GBU-39 SDBs. If true, this would mean that the strike fighters were fairly deep into Syrian Air Space given the 100 km maximum range of the weapon.

    https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2018/...ed-near-aleppo

    Syria Strike Destroyed 200 Missiles, Killed 11 Iranians, Source in pro-Assad Alliance Says
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    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    Click bait title aside, this video has been doing the rounds elsewhere as well. Would be interesting to see what assets were used and how many munitions were dropped.

    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    Or flying above the sea and practically avoid all air defenses.. mid- air refuel and strike.

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    Would be interesting to see what assets were used and how many munitions were dropped.
    https://twitter.com/uunionnews/statu...56483020648448

    GBU-39


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    Predict that narrative:

    “Israel launched some of the US’ most modern weapons at Iranian troops but 60% either failed to reach their targets, missed or were destroyed by 50yo Russian technology”

    Wait for it...

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    Most probably launched from Turkey through territory controled by terrorists.

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    10 of these maybe?

    Does the SDB have longer range than advertised ? If fired from the sea near Iskenderun, they’d have to travel over 100km.

    No matter which way you look at it, it was no small feat for Israel to hit that location with so many air launched weapons.

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    Most probably launched from Turkey through territory controled by terrorists.
    Israel launching strikes through Turkey? I'm surprised 75% of the Israeli jets weren't shot down by the suddenly efficient Syrian AD.

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    rumored to be F-15s

    Three U.S. officials say Israeli F-15s hit Hama after Iran delivered weapons to a base that houses Iran's 47th Brigade, including surface-to-air missiles. In addition to killing two dozen troops, among them officers, the strike wounded three dozen others.
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    Israel launching strikes through Turkey? I'm surprised 75% of the Israeli jets weren't shot down by the suddenly efficient Syrian AD.
    airlaunched weopons are much smaller , multiple simultaneously and faster so make it harder to intercept unless the airdefence system is right on line of sight.
    did not I explained the ship vs aircraft in the other thread.

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    Russia should not be standing in the way of a war between Israel/US and Iran. Russia has bases in Syria and wanted to preserve the institutions of the Syrian state. It did that.

    Russia has far too little to gain from it and Iran doesn't really deserve such commitments from Russia considering it cancelled the Sukhoi Superjet deal and got mad when Russia used its air field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St. John View Post
    Israel launching strikes through Turkey? I'm surprised 75% of the Israeli jets weren't shot down by the suddenly efficient Syrian AD.
    But not against the invisible F-35... oh, wait! They used the good old F-15s instead!

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    Now it become more clear. Israel fly throug Jordan and Iraq to eastern part of Syria, which is under US control using US IFF codes representing themselves as US planes to Russia and Syrian air defense. Most probably US give them IFF codes and use deescalation line to provide them safe flight. But this is extreamly dangerous game from Israel. Next time Russians and Syrians will shot down all US planes in Syrian air space because of Israelis and this could quicly escalate into nuclear war. It seems Syrian air defense was actually succesful shoting down cruise missiles and Israeli missiles before together with Israeli F-16I, that they change their attack route and not launching missiles from Lebanon as before.

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    Next time Russians and Syrians will shot down all US planes in Syrian air space because of Israelis and this could quicly escalate into nuclear war.
    I wouldn't count on this but if I were to participate in the predicting game, I would say that the "next time", Israel will still get off an attack on its intended target inside Syria just as they have over the last few years.
    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    Russians won't move a finger in order to protect Iranian assets.. Regardless of whether the aircraft uses US IFF codes or stays recognized as Israeli..
    Keep in mind that Russia and Iran are allies only in certain topics..

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    using US IFF codes representing themselves as US planes to Russia and Syrian air defense.
    That's quite a stretch.

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    But not against the invisible F-35... oh, wait! They used the good old F-15s instead!
    Why would they? There are (I believe) 9 F-35's in the Golden Eagle squadron. They have experienced pilots in their F-15I "Hammers" squadron, as well as F-15B which they have modified into a strike eagle equivalent. Look at the weapons used, while Israel's F-35's are understood to be at an early version of block 3F, they just contracted to receive a newer block 3F+ software version. They may not have GBU-39 and Israeli specific weapons integrated as of yet.

    The F-15's are suitable for the task of pounding targets in Syria. Something Israel has been doing every time Iran has supplied the Syrians with weapons Israel deems a threat. This strike is far from the first and won't be the last.

    Israel fly throug Jordan and Iraq to eastern part of Syria, which is under US control using US IFF codes representing themselves as US planes to Russia and Syrian air defense. Most probably US give them IFF codes and use deescalation line to provide them safe flight.
    And of course you are 100% confident that Israel did not notify Russia ahead of time right? Unlikely, considering how many Russian contractors, police, and advisers are on the ground in Syria. I would suspect there was contact between the US-Russia-Israel to make sure the area was clear of Russian personnel and operations before any strike was carried out.

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    I wouldn't count on this but if I were to participate in the predicting game, I would say that the "next time", Israel will still get off an attack on its intended target inside Syria just as they have over the last few years.
    you cannot count on future especially after worldcup. Russia rapidly modernizing systems there.

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    Russians won't move a finger in order to protect Iranian assets.. Regardless of whether the aircraft uses US IFF codes or stays recognized as Israeli..
    Keep in mind that Russia and Iran are allies only in certain topics..
    Saudis and Emiratis have bombed thousands of sorties on Yemen. . Russia will prefer Iran fight them there first. they are next door.

    Plus Germany will be lowering defence spending.(not that it matter anyway consider the technical skills) so why Iran care so much about EU as there is zero chance of any advance technology that include Airbus. It is time for them to start buying IL-96-400M.

    https://money.usnews.com/investing/n...w-debt-to-2020
    The source told reporters that defense spending would fall to 1.23 percent in 2022, even below the projected level for 2018, despite Germany's pledge as a member of NATO to steadily increase its military budget toward a target of 2 percent.

    The defense ministry would also have to delay some major procurement programs planned with other countries unless more funds are added in coming months, although it was not yet clear which projects could be affected, the source said.

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    Russia is damaging its relations with Israel. Israel and Russia have some good things going economically. It would be a shame to lose all of that for nothing. Russia cant be the only balancer in the world. If the US cancels the Iran deal and the EU caves behind them, and like usual, China doesn't say a peep, then stand back and let whats going to happen , happen.

    Sending an S-300 to Syria isn't a very good move in response to the USD/UK France attack either. It just doesn't do anything for Russia. In response , Russia should have just said , it will pull out of START & deploy tactical nukes to Syria , if missiles are shot over Russians heads again.

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    An attempt to deploy tactical nukes to Syria would result in a naval blockade, 1962 style.

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    https://www.upi.com/https:/www.upi.c...5481525346003/

    2 dead in Russian fighter jet crash off Syria coast


    A Russian Sukhoi Su-30 SM military aircraft, similar to this one, crashed into the Mediterranean Sea Wednesday, Moscow authorities said. File photo by Sergei Ilnitsky/EPA-EFE
    May 3 (UPI) -- Two Russian pilots were killed when a military fighter jet crashed in the Mediterranean Sea, off the coast of Syria, authorities said Thursday.

    The Sukhoi-30SM fighter crashed Wednesday shortly after taking off from the Khmeimim airdrome, the Russian Defense Ministry said Thursday.

    The cause is under investigation but officials say the plane may have had a bird strike.

    "There was no fire impact on the plane," the ministry said.

    One of the victims was identified as Maj. Albert Davidyan.

    Russia leases the Khmeimim base in Latakia province, where it maintains fighter jets and bombers involved in the military campaign to support President Bashar al-Assad's government.

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    Russia is damaging its relations with Israel. Israel and Russia have some good things going economically. It would be a shame to lose all of that for nothing. Russia cant be the only balancer in the world. If the US cancels the Iran deal and the EU caves behind them, and like usual, China doesn't say a peep, then stand back and let whats going to happen , happen.

    Sending an S-300 to Syria isn't a very good move in response to the USD/UK France attack either. It just doesn't do anything for Russia. In response , Russia should have just said , it will pull out of START & deploy tactical nukes to Syria , if missiles are shot over Russians heads again.
    That economics relations will be go down. the recent earning call of Airbus does not look it will have long term future.

    http://www.rusaviainsider.com/russia...tern-aircraft/
    Russian authorities impose tougher restrictions on western aircraft
    currently they can make 3 IL-96 and they will need to accelerate it.
    http://www.rusaviainsider.com/uac-an...ction-targets/
    Slyusar stressed that the Il-96 program “defines VASO’s viability.” The OEM is currently gearing up to launch production of the Il-96-400M version. This year the engines for these aircraft will be delivered to the production site in advance of the flight tests slated for 2019. To finance production facilities for this project UAC will top VASO’s capital by 4.5 billion rubles (about $73.2 million). These funds also cover technical upgrade of the manufacturer.

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    @Medo I don't think that this is plausible.

    For the IAF to pull off a strike mission using spoofed transponders, they would need to fool ground based radars in Iraq, Jordan, Turkey and Cyprus as well as U.S. E-3C Sentry aircraft and Turkish E-7A Peace Eagles that operate 24 hour missions in the area. The US E-3C is also likely to have a pre-determined order of battle and tasking list to consult if several F-15s appeared from the direction of the Mediterranean. Similarly, the Turkish Air Force would also likely have a pre-determined order of battle and tasking list over Syria as per the de-escalation agreement reached by the two countries (US and Turkey) over Manbij.

    In any event U.S. transponder codes are encrypted. It would either mean that the Israeli air force had access to or were issued U.S. IFF codes.

    Unless of course the US planned it on behalf Israel all along. In this instance it would have more geopolitical ramifications for the region.
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    More Israeli Strikes near Damascus -



    https://www.timesofisrael.com/allege...larm-in-north/
    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    ^Just terrible. But this is war. This is a live war zone. There is going to be casualties. Russia had a good run going with their ejection systems. The su 24, the Syrian su 22 and then the su 25 all ejected properly. Word is that the su 30sm crew was trying to save the plane. Not a good idea. Let the plane go. We can always make a more of them.

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