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    ^The F-35 that was hit in Syria didn't have a luneberg lense on. And it was in the same territory that an F-16i was downed. So it was no fluke.

    Also, there's zero evidence that the J-20 had lenses on. And even if they did, its just a matter of time when they wont.

    Strange how every time a Western aircraft or chinese equivelants -is spotted, the lenses are on but the one time, one Russian jet is spotted, the lense was off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB
    The F-35 that was hit in Syria didn't have a luneberg lense on. And it was in the same territory that an F-16i was downed. So it was no fluke
    No F-35 was hit in Syria. Basically, an Syrian S-200 attacked an Israeli strike squadron (most likely F-15I or F-16I). Syrian quickly claimed a direct hit, Israel claim nothing hit and they destroyed the Sam site. Obviously, there will be a wreckage if anything was hit by S-200 missile, its warhead is 200 kg for God sake. But that doesn't stop one Middle East conspiracy tabloid from linking that incident with a F-35 which collided with 2 stocks, weeks earlier, even though they have no evidences whatsoever, and Israel only has 4 F-35 pre-IOC by the time of claimed incident.

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    The F-35 that was hit in Syria
    Facepalm

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    Syria has been lobbing S-200's at Israeli jets for 30 years. And never once been successful.

    But in this one window of time, after Russian and Syrian air defences were synced up and at a time when Russia was trying to establish to Israel, that the balance of power has changed over Syrian air space , one F-16i was completely downed & one F-15 was damaged and something happened to an F-35.

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    one F-16i was completely downed & one F-15 was damaged and something happened to an F-35.
    One F-16I was shot down; Al Arabiya TV reported that one F-15I was damaged, the claim was based on its "own sources"; acording to the IDF/AF a bird struck an F-35 or vice versa and finally that highly "credible" site Southfront made a bonfire of it all...
    Amusing, if someone goes to the SU-57 topic and starts with sillyness about Syria, Sukhoi´s, Raptors and F-35´s, your reaction is "YOURE A TROLLLLLL", but in the DAVE topic, good old KGB goes "a F-16 was downed, one F-15 was damaged" and "the F-35 was hit in Syria"... Based on... bleeding South Front!

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    Hey actually the article had claimed that they scored a direct hit on the F-35 with a missile, yet it was able to return to base. In other words, clearly the F-35 has superior armor compared to the A-10 (which wouldn't stand up to a direct missile strike), so clearly the F-35 will be able to do "down in the weeds" CAS just fine.

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    Technically, given the said 200kg explosive contained on the head o the missile... It has some stronger armor than a T-90. So how do you say rolling front line in Lockmart's pidgin?
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    When they outright lying with no shame ......
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    Do they even know how easy it is to use Google?
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    The windshield comes down and then there are 2 spherical bumps protruding out. Very questionable setup. RCS compromising.

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    Very questionable setup. RCS compromising.
    Says the country with ZERO operational VLO experience to the country with DECADES of operational (and wartime) VLO experience.
    "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB View Post


    The windshield comes down and then there are 2 spherical bumps protruding out. Very questionable setup. RCS compromising.
    We have a RCS specialist right here...
    Your "analysis" come from where? Southfront or are you using the "eyeometer"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpudmanWP View Post
    Says the country with ZERO operational VLO experience to the country with DECADES of operational (and wartime) VLO experience.
    KGB is not a "country"...

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    @Sintra and @Spudman

    Is this just a prototype ? Maybe it will be fixed on the production models.

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    KGB is not a "country"...
    Sorry, I should have said:

    In one hand you have a newcomer to the use of VLO in operational aircraft design and in the other you have someone who has decades of experience in operational and wartime use of 'stealth' concepts and tactics.
    Given that, you do you think will do a better job of designing a VLO jet and will do better at dealing with "bumps" so that they will not adversely affect the VLO signature of the aircraft?
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    Is this just a prototype ? Maybe it will be fixed on the production models.
    Those are the MADL and EODAS apertures. They are supposed to (and HAVE to) be there in order to provide 360 coverage.

    Here are 4 hi-res photos of that area. As you can see, there are no corner reflectors, sharp edges perpendicular to the plane of travel, etc as it's all gentle curves.

    https://media.defense.gov/2014/Jan/0...-TJ158-508.JPG
    https://static.businessinsider.com/i...07b2/image.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...-XL333-404.jpg
    https://hushkit.files.wordpress.com/...-jb386-037.jpg
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    MADL antenna on the port side and EODAS camera on the starboard side.

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    Only true experts with the "Eyeometer" like JSR can make use of it properly!
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    Lockheed Martin dispels F-35 corrosion fears
    When speaking with Defence Connect, director of F-35 international business development Steve Over was quick to highlight Lockheed's rapid response to the issues identified in late 2017.

    "We have developed a remediation plan in close collaboration with our customers. It was decided that the issues presented weren't urgent, so they would be rectified as the aircraft cycled back through maintenance depots," he said.

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    Meanwhile, recent publicity surrounding apparent depressurisation and oxygen supply issues, allegedly similar to those experienced in the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor, were also identified when a number of pilots stationed at Luke Air Force Base presented with physiological symptoms similar to hypoxia, including oxygen deprivation, ear pain and sinus issues.

    In response to the claims of depressurisation concerns around the F-35 cockpit, Over was clear when he said that it was not a depressurisation issue and that slow progress had been made regarding the root cause analysis, with a number opportunities to improve the robustness of the design identified.

    Meanwhile, the complex physiological issues experienced by the small number of pilots could not be directly attributed to hypoxia (oxygen deprivation) and it would be prudent to await the final findings of the thorough investigation for a likely cause.
    More at the jump
    https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/st...spite-concerns
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    ^ I'm not convinced

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    Air Marshal Leo Davies [RAAF] is quoted as saying [F-35] will "replace nothing, because they change everything".
    This had to be emphasized. A transformational aircraft for the complex battle ground of modern war situations.

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    Exclusive: Lockheed F-35 jet price falls 6 percent to below $90 million - sources


    The United States has struck a preliminary deal to buy F-35 jets from Lockheed Martin (LMT.N) worth about $13 billion, clearing the way for a larger multi-year purchase that aims to bring the cost per jet down to $80 million by 2020, sources said.The deal for 141 F-35s lowers the price of the F-35A, the most common version of the stealthy fighter jet, to about $89 million, down around 6 percent from $94.3 million in the last deal struck in February 2017, the sources familiar with the talks said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bring_it_on View Post
    Exclusive: Lockheed F-35 jet price falls 6 percent to below $90 million - sources
    So are those $89 million the article mentions 2012 base year dollars or then year/current year (2018) dollars?
    The graphic certainly says Then Year, but does URF include the engine? So in other words, does one complete F-35 i.e. with engine actually cost $89 million in 2018 in 2018 dollars?
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    URF cost of the last few lots has always been expressed as Flight Vehicle + Engine + Contractor Fees. This was true of Lot-10 and is also true of Lot-11. So in sum, collective sum (URF) paid to LM and P&W towards the F-35 (A).

    The F-35A variant comprises approximately 85 percent of the program of record. The F-35A unit price in LRIP-10, including aircraft, engine and fee, is roughly seven percent lower than the previous LRIP-9 contract. Over the past two procurement lots (LRIP-9 and 10), the price of the F-35A has dropped 12 percent. LINK
    Mike Stone at Reuters got the scoop this morning that the new average price is about $89 million per plane for this deal, a 6 percent drop from Lot 10. Breaking D readers will remember that the average price for an F-35A in Lot 10’s 66 planes was $94.3 million, including the engine. The F-35A is supposed to cost about $80 million in the next two or three years, a target first put on the table two years ago by then -Program Executive Officer Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan. LINK
    The Unit price for a given contract is calculated based on the deal negotiated with the suppliers for that particular Lot (involves paying them for the work) and the unit cost (URF) based on that negotiated deal is going to be in Current Year $. So the $89 Million for URF of F-35A cost in Lot-11 is derived from the Lot-11 deal negotiated in 2018 (thus in FY19 dollars) whereas the $80 Million target for Lot-14 would be in FY21-22 when that deal is negotiated. In reality however, it is quite rare for all the contract amount for a particular deal to be paid in one Fiscal Year, as there are long lead costs, and payments along the way as the final deal is still in negotiation. The handshake, and the subsequent contract signing will only fix the final amount of the contract as a substantial portion of the contracted amount has already been paid the OEMs to deliver on the Lot.
    Last edited by bring_it_on; 15th July 2018 at 22:09.
    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    So are those $89 million the article mentions 2012 base year dollars or then year/current year (2018) dollars?
    In this context then year represents the year the contract was signed, not the 2012 baseline year used in the F-35 SAR. As BIO indicates, the contract expense covers multiple financial years but the overall dollar cost is baselined to a single year for clarity.

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    Was just about to post the same link....

    Critical spectator after F-35 pulls a hard, post stall, instantaneous 130 degree turn: “You done lost all your energy!”
    F-35: “Yup” *goes vertical and accelerates*
    Last edited by ActionJackson; 16th July 2018 at 11:13.

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    There was indeed quite some dead time between agressive maneuvres to regain energy. Other 4th gen jet can perform many more maneuvres in the same time frame. Video editing only shows the most dramatic moments. F35 high wing loading means that in an agressive maneuvre it reaches high AoA very quickly bleeding a lot of energy. F35 powerful engine and good FCS somewhat compensate that but there is no miracle in the end.
    Last edited by eagle1; 16th July 2018 at 14:14.

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