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    yes, it's all about how the light falls on the picture. Any idea how old that image is?

    Are there any other aircraft that try and overcome the lack of structure LO shaping with this specific approach? For the Rafale gang, I would appreciate a technical reply and I'm not saying Rafale has no RCS reduction in it's structure, but this sawtoothing is an application to the aircraft surface right?

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    I found it on wikipedia. it says Rafale B, 2011
    how about the one you posted?

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    This year's solo display as far as I can tell.

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    You will see sawtooth on every panel ending at 90°. So as to avoid antenna effect. And it is not radar absorbing paint. The radar aborbing part is inside the coating.

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    Great stuff thanks.

    Has that always been there or was it gradually added on?

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    Always been. And perishable. (see the small cracks)

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    Last modernized Rafale F1 (Fr Navy) to be delivered soon (or was it the one mentioned by Trappier for 2017?).


    Source:
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    Last modernized Rafale F1 (Fr Navy) to be delivered soon (or was it the one mentioned by Trappier for 2017?).
    Probably. There was an issue on one of the planes (a "Fenwick" broke if i remember well). So i guess it is this one.

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    Probably. There was an issue on one of the planes (a "Fenwick" broke if i remember well). So i guess it is this one.
    No, The M41 Which had to be rebuilt after the crane inident was delivered in march 2016 to the navy. It was onboard the Charles de Gaulle during Arromanches III (Irak / Syria)
    AFAIK, The last Rafale M F1 to be delivered at the F3 standard in 2018 is the M1.
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    Ok. Ty.

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    +1

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    LAtest Dassault's ox three. Interestin tidbits about radar future.

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae...mg/fox3_19.pdf

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    Thank you Halloween.

    LAtest Dassault's ox three. Interestin tidbits about radar future.

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae...mg/fox3_19.pdf
    Where can I access the earlier Fox 3 magazines. The archive section in Publications is absent on the updated Dassault aviation site.

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    As it had been previously
    the case in Iraq, reconnaissance
    missions were flown first, but
    Rafales soon switched to kinetic
    engagements to disrupt Daesh
    activities in Syria and to support
    Syrian democratic forces.
    Until
    My childhood dream was to be a fighter pilot. Now I'm glad I'm not.

    Nic

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    Does anyone have any photos of a Rafale with AAMs on the centre hardpoint? Like so -


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    Those hardpoints are not open yet.

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    It was at the time of rafale A although the possibility exists today but has not been cleared.

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    Can Mica be ejector launched? Or is it only rail launched?

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    Both

    Ejector launched under fuselage, rail launch under wings.

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    What is the difference beetwen an old and bad Rafale drawing and a newer and much better one ?
    A :

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    What's the diameter of RBE-2 ?

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    There is no official data regarding RBE2 exacts diameter. The only official statement from industry (in fox three magazine from Dassault) is that there are more than 1000 AESA modules. In a former interview with a Thales employee in the weekly Air & Cosmos, current RBE2 AESA radar was described as similar in performance as the APG-79. You won't find many more official info from the industry or French military. Pictures released are Photoshoped.

    RBE2 AESA NG is coming and is due to be ready in the 2020's.

    The DGA oversees a number of research programmes aimed at promoting advanced technologies for the Rafale in the field of sensors, especially for the RBE2 radar, as the Rafale Programme Director explained.“We will soon launch the AESA NG programme, which will supplement the MFA [Multi-Function Array], CARAA [Capacités Accrues pour le Radar RBE2 à Antenne Active,enhanced capabilities for the active RBE2 radar] and MELBAA [Modes et Exploitation Large Bande pour l’Antenne Active, wide-band operating modes for the active array] projects in order to help mature technologies to be produced from 2025 for Standard F4.2. “The CARAA demonstrator first flew in late 2015. It is composed of numerous receptors, enabling the creation of radar lobes optimised by advanced calculation techniques to cancel jamming in many directions simultaneously. “The first flight of the MELBAA demonstrator is expected in late 2017. The trials will focus on dedicated types of targets: slowmovers, helicopters, fighters hiding in the Doppler beam, stealth targets etc. Further developments will include interleaved modes that will be further refined thanks to the appearance of a new generation of calculators powerful enough to provide the processing power required to exploit these modes fully.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by “stealthflanker”
    What's the diameter of RBE-2 ?
    55cm give or take (IIRC).

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthflanker
    What's the diameter of RBE-2 ?
    Several RBE2 mock up including the one in Thales product card have 838 T/R modules

    RBE2 product card
    And Rafale nose cone is similar to F-16 in size. Slightly narrower but it is a round shape while F-16 nose is more oval. Don't forget that the cone is in front of the IRST.
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    And Thales specified several times they were dummies... AND that the number of moules was more or less 1000. But of course counting dots on internet photographies is more credible than Manufacturer's specifications. Same for the 55cms value. The real value is classified so drop 55cms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halloweene
    And Thales specified several times they were dummies... AND that the number of moules was more or less 1000. But of course counting dots on internet photographies is more credible than Manufacturer's specifications
    Mock up dummy are often the model of the real thing without the internal parts. The dummy fit inside a real Rafale too. Several mock up of the RBE2 all have the same exact modules count down to rivets position. So hard to blame people trusting that than generic statements.

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    Mock up dummy are often the model of the real thing without the internal parts. The dummy fit inside a real Rafale too. Several mock up of the RBE2 all have the same exact modules count down to rivets position. So hard to blame people trusting that than generic statements.
    Often but not always the case. Let's take Dassault Aviation official words on page 14 of Fox Three n°9 :

    http://kovy.free.fr/temp/rafale/pdf/fox3_11.pdf


    From 2012,
    current electronic scanning
    RBE2 radar will be fitted with
    a new generation Active
    Electronic Scanning Array
    which will offer increased
    detection range and better
    angular coverage in azimuth.
    The Thales AESA will prove
    ideal for operations with
    the Meteor, a long-range
    interception missile now being
    tested by MBDA. The AESA
    radar array will be made up of
    more than 1,000 transmitter/receiver
    modules
    so
    that several can fail with no
    significant degradation in acuity.
    It will further contribute to the
    Rafale’s excellent reliability
    .
    The RBE2’s open architecture
    will facilitate upgrading, and
    the new AESA array is totally
    ‘plug and play’, switching from
    the passive to the active array
    configuration taking less than
    two weeks.
    Actualy DSI Hors Série N°6 June/July 2009 page 30 tells exactly 1001 modules. 1425 for the Typhoon by the way.
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    1425 for the Typhoon by the way.
    1620+ for the F-35
    "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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    Quote Originally Posted by halloweene
    Same for the 55cms value. The real value is classified so drop 55cms.
    Err.. the size of the antenna isn't classified. And its entirely independent of the T/R density.

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