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    Or maybe Rafale is more efficient than for ex. F-35?
    What ! Stop this immediately!

    The (operational) F-35 has just demonstrate his undisputed stealthy capability on the field during this operation.

    (C'mon we can joke )

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    Or some or all were Rafale Ms, which only carry 1 on centreline for roll stability reasons.
    If I remember correctly, the Rafale M carries one because of bring back weight reasons, nothing to do with roll stability.

    I reckon the naval Typhoon has far superior roll capabilities though.

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    St John: there is a video of the takeoff:
    But did they all launch from land, I don't know. It would make sense of the odd number or missiles, that's all. Maybe they only needed 9 and one took off from land with just 1.

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    But did they all launch from land, I don't know. It would make sense of the odd number or missiles, that's all. Maybe they only needed 9 and one took off from land with just 1.
    they had to.. Charles De Gaulle is still in repairs if I'm not mistaken so they could not launch from it

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    there was a weapon failure: one of the Scalp had to be dropped. Equally concerning, 3 out of 6 planed sea launched cruise missiles didn't fire due to a weapon system mal-function. A reboot was needed and once everything was ready again no more missile could be fired as the launch window was closed.

    Air launched Scalp failure:
    « Sur les dix missiles Scalp-EG prévus, seuls neuf sont partis », reconnaît l'armée de l'air, jointe par nos soins mercredi soir, confirmant officiellement des doutes partagés dès samedi par quelques observateurs. « Est-ce dû au missile ou à l'avion ? Nous ne le savons pas, et des analyses techniques sont en cours pour déterminer l'origine de l'incident de tir », précise l'armée. Chaque Rafale emportait deux missiles, et l'un d'eux n'a donc réussi à en tirer qu'un. Toutefois, « l'ensemble des cibles déterminées a été traité » avec les autres missiles, assurent les militaires.

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    "Out Of the ten Scalp-EG missiles planned, only nine were fired," admits the Air Force, joined by us Wednesday night, officially confirming doubts shared by a few observers Saturday. "Is it due to the missile or the plane? We do not know, and technical analysis is underway to determine the origin of the shooting incident, "said the army. Each Rafale carried two missiles, and one of them managed to fire only one. However, "all targets have been dealt with" with other missiles, say the military.
    Sea launched failure:
    la Marine nationale a elle aussi reconnu avoir eu des problèmes pour tirer ses missiles de croisière navals (MdCN) depuis ses frégates multimissions FREMM (dont il aurait fallu redémarrer le système informatique, une opération qui aurait fait dépasser le temps imparti pour respecter le créneau de tir). Seuls trois des six MdCN prévus avaient pu être tirés. C'était le baptême du feu pour ces missiles de nouvelle génération, qui font entrer la France dans le club fermé des pays disposant de missiles de croisière embarqués sur des bâtiments de guerre

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    the French Navy has also admitted to having had problems getting its naval cruise missiles (MdCN) from its FREMM multi-mission frigates (it would have been necessary to restart the computer system, an operation which would make the passage of time allotted to respect the niche of shoot). Only three of the six MdCNs were drawn for firing. It was the baptism of fire for these new generation missiles, which bring France into the closed club of cruise missile countries embarked on the warships
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    they had to.. Charles De Gaulle is still in repairs if I'm not mistaken so they could not launch from it
    I thought I heard something about some using US carriers though.
    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/fren...on-us-carrier/

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    USS H.W. Bush is in a working up period. The French contingent is in carrier qualifications on the ship (or were). The ship just arrived in the UK for an exercise.

    The Truman is on its way to the Med, there was no carrier in the area at the time of the strike. Someone must have forgotten to tell a certain world leader before he lit up Twitter. Not often that there are no carriers in: Med, Red sea, or Gulf in recent years. Consequence of having 9 carriers available (1 in RCOH and 1 undergoing PSA and not going to deploy for 2+ years)
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    Or some or all were Rafale Ms, which only carry 1 on centreline for roll stability reasons.
    No Rafale M was part in that mission.
    According to the Mindef, 1 of the 10 scalps failed to launch.
    The Rafale international forum :
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    Rafale news blog :
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    read above.

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    It was jettisoned in the water.

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    USS H.W. Bush is in a working up period. The French contingent is in carrier qualifications on the ship (or were). The ship just arrived in the UK for an exercise.

    The Truman is on its way to the Med, there was no carrier in the area at the time of the strike. Someone must have forgotten to tell a certain world leader before he lit up Twitter. Not often that there are no carriers in: Med, Red sea, or Gulf in recent years. Consequence of having 9 carriers available (1 in RCOH and 1 undergoing PSA and not going to deploy for 2+ years)
    Yes, but it should be compensated by UK/Fr carriers most of the time. CdG is no quaoified as fleet commander (flagship) and i guess µPrince of Wales will also. Not enough said about the work of that trilateral commission.

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    from early April.




    You can view the press brief here on Youtube
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    Details of units, etc. (and even serials/codes) for most of the aircraft involved in the Syrian attacks seem to be known.

    Does anyone know which Rafales and Mirages were involved, or what unit the pilots were from?

    And what was the breakdown between single- and two-seaters?

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    breakdown is 1 singe seater (C) + 4 dual (B), from the 4th fighter wing (I don't know about specific squadrons)
    the 4 Mirage 2000-5F were from the 2nd fighter wing, fighter squadron 1/2 Cigognes (Storks), pure air superiority unit.

    both AWACS were from the 36th C2 wing Berry, and the tankers from AAR squadron 2/91 Bretagne.

    these nuts folks that call themselves spotters ( ) probably know more about specific serials, maybe look into Scramble.nl ?
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    Thanks EC 5/25.

    Wonder why one C was used?

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    Discrete long range navigation in conjunction with the AWACs (2x) and C135 FR (6x)

    Have a look here, a media report with similarly codded B airframe (FAS - Strategic forces)

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    French Rafales in Oceana will fly over Norfolk today

    It is the first time the French and US Navies have trained together like this in ten years.

    The French are fired up, 'to see how the U.S. aviation is training, so that we can try to take what's good from it, and we try also to show them we know how to work too," said French Naval Air Force pilot, Commander Marc, who asked that we not use his last name.

    Their American counterparts are equally enthused.

    "I've been active duty for 18 years and this is the first time I've got a chance to do something like this," said CDR Kevin Chlan, commanding officer of VFA-31.

    "We get to focus on working on a person to person basis, whether that our pilots, NFO's or maintainers, just kind of passing share experiences and learning," said CDR Christian Goodman, commanding officer of VAW-124.

    "To have an opportunity to have the French Navy come over and improve our ability to fight alongside them is not lost on me how significant that is, and what a wonderful opportunity that is," said CAPT Jim McCall, commander of Carrier Air Wing 8.

    The public can see the French jets for themselves with a pair of flyovers over the next two days. The first fly-over is scheduled Thursday a little after 5 p.m. over Norfolk Scope following the NATO festival flag raising.
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    “The Rafale, once I go up and fight it, it’s a fast aircraft,” he said. “It’s got a very good thrust-to-weight ratio. We’re not used to seeing some of the speeds they operate at. The Super Hornet is is a great maneuverable aircraft and we see some advantages when we fight them.”

    Ultimately, Chlan said, it’s helpful to train against different aircraft and pilots and learn from their tactics.

    “It’s personally very satisfying to go out and do something different,” he said. “It’s cool to go out and see them off your wing.”
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    “It’s cool to go out and see them off your wing.”
    In the end the most important sentence (for both sides)

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    feeling grumpy tonight?

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    Yes i was, (doc did not want to give me back license for both diving and piloting due to a small stroke 2 years agot) but i think this comment was quite the opposite.
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    Chesapeake 2018:
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    Sorry to hear that Hallow.

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    https://actu.fr/occitanie/toulouse_3..._16574070.html

    Dassault & Airbus sign agreement to develop next gen fighter jet

    Entry in service 2035-2040.

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    Sorry to hear that Hallow.
    TY. Hard for someone who loves 3D. However i can still troll ppl here . Without any real animosity!

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    https://actu.fr/occitanie/toulouse_3..._16574070.html

    Dassault & Airbus sign agreement to develop next gen fighter jet

    Entry in service 2035-2040.
    from what I've read, the idea being to develop not only a fighter but a fully integrated combat system, that includes fighters but also big assets. the first would be under Dassault's leadership as it is what Dassault does best, while the big ones (network nodes and command aircraft) will be for Airbus as they have the better knowhow to build and integrate the big aircraft.. the making of engines, electronics and so on would be spread among specialists in partner countries...

    http://www.paxaquitania.fr/2018/04/d...france-et.html

    from the announcement, if they manage to do it really in an efficient manner, that would be an (unbelievably for europeans, if we're to judge from previous experiences) intelligent way to make it.. I have to wonder how long before some politician manages to step in and messes something
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    USNI take on French contingent in Oceana

    During operations aboard George H.W. Bush in May, McCall said, the plan is for the French personnel to seamlessly join regular carrier operations, which includes flying with U.S. aircraft and performing flight deck duties with their U.S. counterparts.
    “They’re actually going to plug and play into our airwing like they’re a U.S. squadron,” McCall said. “They’re going to integrate into our air plans and our methodologies out aboard the ship. They’re going land like we land, they’re going to come aboard the ship like we do, they’re going fly the same cycle times we do.”
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    “The French are great partners. We see them in the skies, we operate alongside them, but we don’t really interact with them. Here we’re actually getting the chance to talk, and to brief, and plan for a flight,” Chlan said.
    “I’ve been in the Navy for 18 years and I’ve never had a chance to do something like this.”
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    VFA N°???

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    Rafale and French Hawkeyes on the Bush for carrier calification - Photo album

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    180510-N-UV609-0540 ATLANTIC OCEAN (May 10, 2018) A Rafale Marine attached to squadron 17F of the French navy lands on the flight deck of the aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77).
    “It’s kind of funny,” said Lt. Brandon Rodgers, an F/A-18 Super Hornet pilot. “Any fighter pilot from any country, it seems, is the same. We’re a little bit full of ourselves, but we love flying. That’s the commonality between all of us — getting together, talking about fighting, that’s where we all have that common bond. It’s something kind of special.”
    That bond can exist even when technology creates a divide. Chief Petty Officer Philip Mina helps maintain the Hornet and Super Hornet. It uses a different engine than the Rafale.
    But if a pilot is a pilot ...
    “An engine is an engine,” he said, “and we’re mechs. So if they’d come down, we’d be more than happy to help.”
    And if a Rafale engine were to suddenly be available for inspection, that would be awesome. Expect Mina and his men to try poking around in it.
    “Any engine that comes our way that we haven’t worked on, we get kind of interested,” he said. “Old or new, if you haven’t seen it yet, you still want to look at it. We’re wrench monkeys. We just want to see what’s going on.”
    Maybe that’s why a French flight officer like Stephane — French policy requires personnel to give only first names — can’t say enough about U.S.Navy hospitality. He’s the commander of an E2-C Hawkeye squadron. The E2-C is an American-made early-warning aircraft, which the French fly and have tweaked a bit for their purposes.
    Earlier last week, the French E2-C was briefly out of commission, so a French pilot flew with American crew.
    “That’s great,” he said. “That’s the first time in training we’ve used that. I’ve had wonderful support from the squadron, from the U.S. Navy in general. Believe me. It’s not just because you are Americans (that) I say that. It’s true.”
    And about the Rafale as seen by USN pilots:

    The Rafale [...] is super-fast.
    “When it’s light, it can pretty much stand on its tail and go straight up,” he said. “When you’re on deck and you see them go straight up — all right, I guess I can’t do that with you.”
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    VFA 17F?
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    More by USNI.org:


    “We had to do a little bit of integration on just on how our guys handle their aircraft on the deck, how we taxi them around, how we control them, some of the launch procures on the catapult,” Bailey said. “Aside from that it’s just like having just another US squadron on board.”
    For example, Rafale fighters sit on deck at a slight angle, causing their engines to point down toward the deck. This created potential hazard for U.S. personnel working on the flight deck, said Cmdr. Marc. U.S. crews are used to being able to simply duck under the exhaust nozzles when F/A-18F Super Hornets and EA-18G Growlers are maneuvered around the deck because these jets sit flat on the flight deck and their engines point straight back.
    Some other differences between the Rafale and the Super Hornet have led to a slightly different pace of movement on the flight deck during aircraft launches, Lt. Cmdr. Winston Cotterell, Bush‘s aircraft handling officer, told reporters.
    First, he said, the French aircrew tend to want to do all maintenance in the hangar bay instead of up on the flight deck, where U.S. crews conduct some smaller maintenance activities.
    “I’ve run a lot of elevators just for those aircraft,” Cotterell joked, but said that ultimately the French have similar maintenance procedures and prioritize maintenance and readiness of the aircraft, even if they prefer to conduct the work inside the ship.
    Additionally, Cotterell said, the flight deck crews have to exchange the spreaders – the clip inside the catapult system that connects to the aircraft – between launching the Rafales and the Super Hornets or Growlers.
    “The Rafale takes a different type of spreader that needs to go on our catapults to make them launch off the bow. The (U.S. and French) E-2s are the same, so that’s pretty much seamless, but the Rafales take a little bit of time … maybe a few minutes, a minute or two here and there,” the handler said. After a few days of integrated air wing operations at sea, he said the deck crew has been able to swap the spreaders in about a minute during the daytime, though at night in the extreme dark it takes several minutes to ensure personnel are safe and to ensure the spreaders are clipped in tightly enough to securely launch the next aircraft.
    Between having to swap the spreaders and some French procedures, such as not allowing hot aircraft to be towed on the flight deck, Cotterell said it takes a few more minutes to conduct a full launch cycle, but he said he and his crew are learning a lot and enjoying the experience of working with their French counterparts.

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    Nice to read the quote about Rafale leaving the SH standing on take off (relatively).

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