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    Tu-160M2 White Swan (Белый лебедь)

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    I think restarting the Tu-160 production in itself is a big event and Tu-160M2 deserves a separate thread and hence a dedicated thread.



    Russia Unveils New Tu-160M2 Strategic Super Bomber Update
    https://theaviationist.com/2017/11/1...bomber-update/




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    X-posting some more pics of the rollout from the RuAF thread










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    elegant airframe. Smooth finition.

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    Sson the inlet would be pitch black from RAM coating :3

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    This is not M2

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    Been meaning to ask about the inlets actually.
    Years ago there was that picture of a Tu-160 with black RAM on the inside of the inlets.
    What is the story behind that?

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    Is it more correct to say this is either a "partial" M2, or at least part of the M2 process rather?
    The M2 will be new build airframes, with an entirely new electronic/ avionics suite, and new build upgraded engines.

    As such, even though this airframe took as a starting point a previously begun but incomplete "vanilla" Tu-160 hulk, it is part of the process of re-establishing skills and production facilities that will enable the new M2 to be constructed.
    This latest completion of a previously started Tu-160 might then have none/some/all of the new electronics/avionics, and will either from the start, or eventually, receive the new engines.
    Just as all the original "vanilla" Tu-160's will.
    So, whilst not a fully reprentative M2 by any means, it can be said to be "partial M2 prototype", or at least part of the M2 process.
    Is this basically correct?

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    Wilhelm

    I'd say that's correct.

    From a capability standpoint, this is an M2.

    We don't know if these hulks had a serial number or not. If not, then this one is technically an M2 too. If it didn't have a serial number then its just a hunk of steel that happens to be in an ideal shape to built a tu 160 M2 from.

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    The M2 will be new build airframes, with an entirely new electronic/ avionics suite, and new build upgraded engines
    ... and new weapons

    This aircraft corresponds to the updated Tu-160M1, with the only difference being that it has never flown yet
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    Been meaning to ask about the inlets actually.
    Years ago there was that picture of a Tu-160 with black RAM on the inside of the inlets.
    What is the story behind that?
    That is normal for operational Tu-160s.
    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    Thanks TR1.
    I wasn't sure whether it was a test configuration or operational.

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    whether it be M1 or M2 it is still a nice suprise while we wait for PAK YES.

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    Nice find there KGB! Those blowers..
    Thanks

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    I wish GoI/MoD seriously have a look at these planes and buy the blueprints and source codes along with 40 planes. Then ensure, more are build locally using the latest materials and whatever else is possible during next 10 years.

    But it will be difficult to get my wish fulfilled as Russia will again ask for a leg and arm .. so RIP the bautiful and powerful machine.

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    I wish GoI/MoD seriously have a look at these planes and buy the blueprints and source codes along with 40 planes. Then ensure, more are build locally using the latest materials and whatever else is possible during next 10 years.

    But it will be difficult to get my wish fulfilled as Russia will again ask for a leg and arm .. so RIP the bautiful and powerful machine.
    You could get the B-1 blueprints from US easily, as they adopt the new B-21.. it would be Cheap, cheaper, cheapest.
    Thanks

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    But it will be difficult to get my wish fulfilled as Russia will again ask for a leg and arm .. so RIP the bautiful and powerful machine
    Russian aviation products are the cheapest and most reliable considering the over all life cycle costs. Even Sudan has now decent size airforce with twin engine Russian aircrafts and they are going to expand it even more. Plus all future Aviation products built with 100% Russian technology.
    https://www.rt.com/business/410371-m...-saudi-arabia/
    According to Kladov, the MC-21 is 100 percent Russian technology, and there are good prospects for it to enter the Middle East market
    This statement was directed at Arab countries but it equally applies to India. There are Antonov products that are now built with majority Canadian/North EU engines/components and Saudi want to assembled them in Middleast that have to overfly Turkey/Egypt airspace. I deliberately omit a lot of statements not to make make big paragraph out of it. Indian government is too backward to understand aviation industry.

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    Oh yeah ... B-1B each one for half a billion, sorry we are not oil producing country or world super power. We might take 20 years to develop one for ourselfs. Thanks

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    Oh yeah ... B-1B each one for half a billion, sorry we are not oil producing country or world super power. We might take 20 years to develop one for ourselfs. Thanks
    Oh so the B-1B will be too expensive? So where does that leaves us if you want to fly big? think the larger more capable Tu-160 is cheaper though..
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by haavarla View Post
    Oh so the B-1B will be too expensive? So where does that leaves us if you want to fly big? think the larger more capable Tu-160 is cheaper though..
    Please explain, exactly how is the Tu-160 “more capable” . It is bigger and faster, what about penetration abilities? Weapons? Ew? Radar?

    The B-1b just had an upgrade, exactly how many Tu-160m1 are in service?

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    TU-160 is faster than almost all fighter aircraft for long range sustain speed. seeing the daily sorties of Tu-22M3 gives confidence that Tu-160 can daily lob far more penetrating missiles than any other platform.

    some of them got first state upgrade.

    http://tass.com/defense/963050
    Russia’s Defense Ministry gets Tu-160 strategic bomber after upgrade

    Military & Defense August 31, 19:16 UTC+3
    The strategic missile carrier underwent major overhaul with the first-stage upgrade, the Tupolev Aircraft Company sai

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    So, whilst not a fully reprentative M2 by any means, it can be said to be "partial M2 prototype", or at least part of the M2 process.
    Yes, this is the start of the M2 process. So everything related to the Tu-160M2 comes here. :-)

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    I wish GoI/MoD seriously have a look at these planes and buy the blueprints and source codes along with 40 planes. Then ensure, more are build locally using the latest materials and whatever else is possible during next 10 years.

    But it will be difficult to get my wish fulfilled as Russia will again ask for a leg and arm .. so RIP the bautiful and powerful machine.
    There is no need for India to have the crappy Tu-160s, better to go for the B-1Bs. Moreover it would be a good two arms and two legs spend on a superior product.

    Oh yeah ... B-1B each one for half a billion, sorry we are not oil producing country or world super power. We might take 20 years to develop one for ourselfs. Thanks
    Recent acquisition that India made would make anyone mistaken India to be among the top 3 oil producers. Half a billion for a B-1Bs sounds a real steal when the C-17s which India bought cost nearly as much.

    Oh so the B-1B will be too expensive? So where does that leaves us if you want to fly big? think the larger more capable Tu-160 is cheaper though..
    When you sense a trolling effort, just reply once and be done with it!

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    NK-32-02 for Tu-160M2



    The prototype model Tu-160M2 will go off the assembly line by 2019 updated by 60% in terms of technical parameters, the commander-in-chief of the Russian Air Force Viktor Bondarev said. Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov also confirmed that the aircraft will be completely new. Adviser to the First Deputy Director General of the KRET (Concern of Radioelectronic Technologies) Vladimir Mikheev said that the Tu-160M2 will use the principle of integrated modular avionics, which allows the components of on-board electronics to replace and restore each other. Also, the missile carrier will be able to lay a course without a satellite system, due to the inertial navigation system BINS-SP-1. The technology makes it possible to determine the course of an airplane by recording the data of laser gyroscopes and quartz accelerometers.

    Meanwhile, Russia's aerospace fleet will receive 16 upgraded Tu-160M ​​with the updated engine NK-32-02. The aircraft will be equipped with modern onboard avionics, a new satellite navigation system. The onboard defense complex is modernized, which will allow carrying new types of missiles. Also, the system will allow highly accurate application of free-falling and guided missiles with a deviation of up to 20 meters.

    The updated engine, according to Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov, will increase the range of Tu-160M ​​by 1,000 kilometers. At present, the maximum length of cruise bomber flight is 13 thousand kilometers. These characteristics allow the aircraft to deliver missiles to any point of the earth, and also for a long time to be in the air, leveling the advantage of a lightning-fast global nuclear strike by the enemy. Modernization will improve the economic performance of the engine, which will affect the fuel consumption.
    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/97708/
    https://utro.ru/articles/2016/09/13/1297076.shtml

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    1; Picture is older than baby Jesus and it is obviously not NK-32-02.

    2; The 1000km range extension has been known for a long time.

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    Will the new build Blackjacks feature in flight refueling?

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    Since the old ones did, probably yes.

    What you're thinking of is the Backfires, which had it removed under SALT II treaty provisions.

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    Russia’s upgraded Tu-160 strategic bomber started flight trials last week — source
    January 24
    http://tass.com/defense/986663

    MOSCOW, January 24. /TASS/. Russia’s upgraded Tupolev Tu-160 (NATO reporting name: Blackjack) strategic missile-carrying bomber with Factory No. 0804 produced at the Kazan Aircraft Enterprise started flight trials last week, a source in the Russian defense sector told TASS on Wednesday.

    "The 804th plane made using Soviet aircraft breakthroughs took to the skies for the first time last week and has been performing evaluation flights since then. The missile-carrying aircraft will be delivered to the Aerospace Force until the end of this year," the source said.

    Commenting on various media reports, the source said the new plane was not a modernized bomber prototype.

    "The plane underwent only small-scale upgrade while its airframe and the engines have remained the same. Fully digitalized documentation on the new missile-carrying aircraft will be issued no sooner than the middle of this year and the work on building the Tu-160M is impossible without it," the source noted.
    TASS has not yet received an official confirmation of this information.

    As was reported earlier, a ceremony was held at the Kazan Aircraft Enterprise on November 16, 2017 to roll out the upgraded Tu-160 missile-carrying bomber. On the same day, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin overseeing the defense sector in the Russian government told Russia’s President Vladimir Putin that the debut flight of the upgraded strategic missile-carrying bomber was scheduled for February 2018.

    Tu-160 bomber and its upgrade

    The Tu-160 is the Soviet strategic missile carrier armed with cruise missiles that can carry nuclear warheads. Along with the Tu-95MS missile carrier, the Tu-160 makes part of Russia’s strategic nuclear forces along with the ground-based missile systems and submarines.

    After the disintegration of the Soviet Union, several unfinished Tu-160 planes remained at the Kazan Aircraft Enterprise at various degrees of their readiness but the work on them was put on hold due to economic woes. As a result, the construction of one plane had been finished only by 2000 and the other by 2008.

    It was reported in 2015 that Russia had made a decision to resume the production of Tu-160 bombers in their upgraded Tu-160M2 modification and reschedule the development of the new-generation bomber PAK DA (Perspective Airborne Complex of Long-Range Aviation) for a later term.

    The Russian Defense Ministry reported that the serial production of Tu-160M2 bombers should begin in 2023. The Russian Aerospace Force intends to purchase no less than 50 such aircraft. Aerospace Force then-Commander-in-Chief Viktor Bondarev said in June 2017 that the Tu-160M2 might take to the skies for the first time already in late 2018.

    The Tupolev Aircraft Company has launched work on developing heavily-upgraded Tu-160M bombers, which are scheduled to take to the skies in 2019. The upgrade program supervised by Russia’s Defense Ministry envisages fully replacing the bomber’s onboard avionics. This measure is expected to boost considerably the efficiency of using the aircraft system according to its designation.

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    Vladimir Putin visited Kazan aircraft factory and watched a demonstration flight of the Tu-160M "Pyotr Deinekin"
    Published 25.01.2018 | @AviaRu |


    Photo (C) Marina lystseva

    http://aviation21.ru/vladimir-putin-...yotr-dejnekin/
    Russian President Vladimir Putin visited Kazan aviation plant. S. P. Gorbunov, where the head of state was organized by a demonstration flight of a new supersonic strategic bomber Tu-160M "Pyotr Deinekin," the flight test program.

    The flight was at an altitude of 300 meters and lasted about seven minutes. The pilots have done maneuvers that allow to check the stability and controllability of the aircraft in the air. The weather conditions were quite challenging: the airfield covered with snow charge.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the new Tu-160 in flight which he observed in Kazan, strengthen the nuclear triad of the Russian Federation. "This [development] important step in the development of high-tech sector and in strengthening the country's defense, because it is one of the elements of our nuclear triad in the air," he said in conversation with employees of the Kazan aviation plant named after Gorbunov.

    The President called conducted work on creation of the plane "the big success of the plant". The President invited a year and a half to fly on this plane, in response to what Putin has reminded that has already been on a plane predecessor.

    There at the Kazan aviation plant in the presence of the President of Russia, the Ministry of defence and JSC "Tupolev" signed a contract for the supply of modernized strategic bombers Tu-160M2. Signatures under the document was signed by Deputy defense Minister Yuri Borisov and the head of the United aircraft Corporation Yuri Slusar, said TASS. The contract includes the supply of ten aircraft with a total cost of 160 billion rubles. According to the President, it will fully load the company until 2027.

    During a meeting with employees of KAZ Putin said he did not doubt the coherence further work on Tu-160. He reiterated the need to develop civil aviation, including to think about the civilian version of the Tu-160. This aircraft will be in demand, although it requires a lot of work, he added.

    "We need to make a civilian version," - said Putin. "Tu-144 why was ready - the ticket had to match some average wage in the country. And now the situation is different. Now, big companies have emerged that could use this plane." The President has noticed that it is faster to fly to new York than from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok.

    The head of the United aircraft Corporation (UAC) Yuri Slyusar told Putin that the Corporation have a project of such a supersonic civilian airliner.
    There is already talks of a civilian supersonic aircrafte based on the Tu-160.

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