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Thread: Su-57/T-50/PAK-FA/FGFA News/Discussion 08/2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurius View Post
    I would have asked the same question had the original statement been "The RCS of the F-35 is lower than the T-50."
    Here's your chance, OooShiny has claimed just that in the response #1418 in this thread..
    Last edited by MSphere; 29th March 2018 at 22:34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpudmanWP View Post
    Why carry a SRAAM when you can have a MRAAM, especially with VLO aircraft that can control the battle and stay BVR for as long as possible. Don't forget that the AMRAAM is completely capable of doing WVR.
    Well I'm capable of playing football that doesn't mean I'm going to play for Barcelona/the Philadelphia Eagles anytime soon.
    Better have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Pretty sure the VLO aircraft will not always control the battle esp. if the other side is VLO too. Unless both are controlling the battle...
    How can less be more? It's impossible. More is more.
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    Well, how about that...

    RP.net is starting to come alive again, it seems like.

    https://russianplanes.net/ID226794

    Fresh T-50. Some links on the site still bring up that old parting message, but most of the old functions work and it seems like all the wonderful stuff stored there wasn't lost after all.

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    it says missile Israel firing has smaller rcs than F-35.
    https://sputniknews.com/military/201...efute-reports/
    The source also underscored that Syrian air defense repeatedly proved its capability to down ait-to-ground missiles, whose reflective surface is significantly smaller than that of F-35 jet.

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    BBC России can live
    Unfortunately, it does not exist anymore .
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    There are still new pictures on it.
    https://russianplanes.net/new

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Snufflebug
    https://russianplanes.net/ID226794

    Fresh T-50.
    That bort (50-11) is going through some interesting phases. Especially the nose. First it came out with the standard second stage nose cone with the metallic tip, then it got a grey one apparently without the tip probably for the Syria trip and now it is back to the white, but this time with a massive pitot tube.

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    Better have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
    That is exactly what I mean. Imagine if the F-35 carries only 1 BVR and 1 WVR internal and facing two targets. He would be forced into WVR in order to use his second weapon.
    "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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    it says missile Israel firing has smaller rcs than F-35.
    The key determining factor is, "at what range".
    "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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    That is exactly what I mean. Imagine if the F-35 carries only 1 BVR and 1 WVR internal and facing two targets. He would be forced into WVR in order to use his second weapon.
    Aah yes the take away logic here is you do not need Sraam and you do not need more than four mraam.. great
    Thanks

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    If an AMRAAM can function effectively in the WVR environment, then yes, you don't need a SRAAM.
    "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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    Easy there Spud.
    What do we know about seperation limitations on F-35?
    Take a situation where a F-35 is in the Middle of a high-G Barrel Roll?
    Thanks

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    An AMRAAM being forcefully ejected (25+ Gs) would have a much better separation than a rail-launched 9x/ASRAAM.
    "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpudmanWP
    The key determining factor is, "at what range".
    I was under the impression RCS is independent of range.

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    While RCS is independent of range, the point at which you can detect and engage it is COMPLETELY dependent on range.

    My comment was in response to this:
    The source also underscored that Syrian air defense repeatedly proved its capability to down ait-to-ground missiles, whose reflective surface is significantly smaller than that of F-35 jet.
    In that scenario, the range at which you detect & "down" the A2G missile means little to the F-35 since the F-35 itself is not going to get that close before dropping said weapon. As most people have said, "any" radar can detect the F-35/22 or SU-57 if it get's close enough. What is the important part is if the radar can detect and engage said fighter before that same fighter drops it's own weapon.
    "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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    The Kh-31 missile is now being integrated with the Su-57. Both for external as well as internal carriage.The integration is to be completed by the end of this year.

    https://t.co/U9TWhJm2ui?amp=1

    Russian fifth generation Su-57 fighter armed with "Supersonic Death". This is how military pilots call Kh-31 missiles, which are practically invulnerable to enemy antiaircraft fire due to high speed and counter-attack systems. According to experts, as a result, the newest aircraft will be able to effectively destroy enemy ships and air defense (anti-aircraft), reported by Izvestia.

    The work on the integration of the Kh-31 into the armament of the Su-57 fighter is already underway. The military expects to complete them before the end of this year, reported at the headquarters of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    The 700-kilogram rocket is attached to both the external suspension unit and to a special compartment inside its fuselage. At the beginning of this year, mass-dimensional models of products passed a full cycle of flight tests in the T-50 airplane (pre-series version of the Su-57). After that, the suspension components were modified, some elements of the design and onboard rocket systems were adapted.

    The Kh-31 (NATO’s reporting name AS-17 'Krypton) is supersonic anti-ship air-to-surface missile. It is capable of Mach 3.5 and was the first supersonic anti-ship missile that could be launched by tactical aircraft.

    Currently there are four alterations of high-sped air-launched guided missiles of the Kh-31 type:

    Anti-radar Kh-31P and Kh-31PD
    Anti-ship Kh-31A and Kh-31AD
    Kh-31PD was designed to hit air defense systems’ radars. Its range has been increased to 250 kilometers and the mass of the warhead, to 110 kilograms.

    The anti-ship Kh-31AD, as its designers say, by far outperforms its predecessors in terms of combat effectiveness and is in no way inferior to the latest foreign counterparts. Its task is to destroy surface and amphibious surface ships and transport ships operating as part of task forces or sailing on their own. In contrast to its prototype (Kh-31A) the yield of the warhead is 15% higher and the range (120-160), twice greater.

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    so we will have Kh-31 with folding tails like Kh-58UsHk

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    It has flown with it on external pylons for years now, should not be a surprise to anyone.
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    Is it just me or does she have a little bit of that "satin" metallic shimmer to her shining through the paint? I mean, as seen to various extents in RAM coatings all the way from the Have Glass Vipers to F-22 and J-20.





    Noticed it on the earlier 510 photos too. Still not fully treated though, at any rate.

    [EDIT]

    Forgot this one

    Last edited by Dr.Snufflebug; 1st April 2018 at 16:05.

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    ^Can definitely see more of a matte finish to it.

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    One more:

    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    So, for the first time two T-50's are slated to participate in the May 9th parade:
    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20180406/1518099139.html

    Not terribly interesting as it's just a straight fly by, but still. Could potentially result in some nice photos with a Moscow skyscraper backdrop though. Like these Yak-130's:


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    Stars.Name:  227749.jpg
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    https://russianplanes.net/id227749

    T-50-4 was repainted into digital camo.

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    Yeah, on the underside too:

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    Awesomesaouce!!

    Sometimes i can't help thinkin that VKS/Sukhoi is Trolling the USAF Aggressor at Nellis😆 with all the different camo paint
    Thanks

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    Also from the rehearsals:


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    Also from the rehearsals:
    Is it only me or does the Su-57 look wickedly sexy from the aft.

    And regarding the stars, what does it represent exactly? Targets hit by the Su-57 during weapon trials and tests?

    If so then why do other borts which have taken part in weapon trials don't sport such stars?

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    Whats that electrical tape doing on the nose ?

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    Is it only me or does the Su-57 look wickedly sexy from the aft.
    it looks sexy from almost any angle. It's one gorgeous looking fighter.

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    Agree! For me, best-looking 5th generation fighter by a country mile

    Probably this is due to very careful area ruling unlike other LO fighters which are a bit boxy...

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