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    For missiles launching from the rail APU it doesn't matter.

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    the massive EFT on a short pylon does not appear to offer much margin...
    Why would you say that the pylon is short?
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    Looking sharp:


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    T-50 11 and 12 will be close to production version ?
    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin
    T-50 11 and 12 will be close to production version ?
    Inching ever closer, yeah, but still not quite there yet.

    Another new pic:

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    When is it going to open its weapons bay?

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    Considering that there's still exposed metal pitot tubes, I certainly hope that's not the production version.

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    When is it going to open its weapons bay?
    You mean, when is it going to do publicly?

    Camo looks great, thanks for the pics.
    Last edited by TR1; 11th September 2017 at 07:32.
    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarWarden
    When is it going to open its weapons bay?
    It did 7 years ago and we got a glimpse of it back then. That's all we've got so far.

    In case you haven't noticed somehow, all the testing and everything takes place in Akhtubinsk and that is a black hole, nothing slips out from there. All we see are either planes in transit to Akhtubinsk (it's a long way to fly from Komsomolsk, and they're usually caught on their traditional stopover in Zhukovsky), or the couple of planes (always the same prototype airframes) they occasionally show off in-flight elsewhere at public airshows.

    So as far as bays go, I'm pretty sure we wont see anything supadupacool until they release some brief promo video at some point, or something.
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    ... and we got a glimpse of it back then.
    Maybe I missed something but what "glimpse" did we get? As far as I know all of these said to be "real images" showing the bays - esp. the side bays - were CGs only.
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    Thank you for the pics, Dr Snufflebug and Scar.

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    It seems 101KS-P is installed on this girl. Instead of having a flat aperture and housing,they could have faceted it so that it was flush with the sidebay pods.The panels for venting out the heat generated on firing of the cannon are different too. Instead of 3 , we now have two long ones with more area for dumping the heat and cooling the gun.Perhaps they have started the cannon trials and found out that the existing panels are not enough.

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    @Deino

    Dr.Snufflebug was talking about this old photo.

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    Can someone pls tell the percentage of composites in PAK-FA as part of the surface area and empty weight ? I bet Su-57 uses CFC more extensively than the F-22 Raptor and must be in the same league as the F -35.
    And besides the fuselage and wing fairings, are there any load bearing structures made of CFC like say the wing spars and ribs? Phase 2 prototypes are said to be using a larger percentage of composites compared to the phase 1 birds.

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    It is roughly 70 % by Surface Area and 30 % by Weight , They have to use titanium at many spaces specially Hot Spot due to its top speed
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    Stinger seems longer and different shape too (or it could be just me)

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    Any news on PAKFA AESA radar now :3 ?

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    @Deino

    Dr.Snufflebug was talking about this old photo.
    Thanks and indeed, I must have missed to notice the open bay.
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    He was my North, my South, my East and West,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin
    T-50 11 and 12 will be close to production version ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Snufflemburg
    Inching ever closer, yeah, but still not quite there yet.

    They are still prototype i.e. they are the ones on which the latest modification will be tested.
    As soon as the test would be passed they would product the First serial i.e. the first pre-production batch.

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    It did 7 years ago and we got a glimpse of it back then. That's all we've got so far.

    In case you haven't noticed somehow, all the testing and everything takes place in Akhtubinsk and that is a black hole, nothing slips out from there. All we see are either planes in transit to Akhtubinsk (it's a long way to fly from Komsomolsk, and they're usually caught on their traditional stopover in Zhukovsky), or the couple of planes (always the same prototype airframes) they occasionally show off in-flight elsewhere at public airshows.

    So as far as bays go, I'm pretty sure we wont see anything supadupacool until they release some brief promo video at some point, or something.
    that's the advantage of large country. I am sure Russia radars in ships and ground will be looking into each and every one F-35 that flies in Israel. even the data from Egyptian radars stations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthflanker View Post
    Any news on PAKFA AESA radar now :3 ?
    same thing as always. 5 or 6 units made/tested/testing. I think all details we have now are the details going to be available for a long time. What we know of Irbis radar is Irbis-E like Bars radar and not BARS-R.

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    Thanks and indeed, I must have missed to notice the open bay.
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    What exactly are we supposed to be looking at in that Pak-Fa pic?

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    See the open bay now ?
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    Probably not.

    Firstly, because the attachment is invalid

    Secondly, because he's been shown that precise photo at least once before and retorted with the same question - even if the attachment worked, chances are he'd miss it simply because he doesn't actually want to see.

    He's also had it pointed out to him that the bay was extensively flown with doors open on the Su-47 years before the T-50 even got off the ground, and that a T-50 flight test status report dating from 2014 mentioned they had been opened in flight up to 800km/h IAS.

    https://russianplanes.net/id200171

    http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/7695e2e...20mf0gt0vl.jpg

    I'm tempted to go ask when the J-20 will go supersonic (a fact confirmed for the T-50 in the same flight test status update) in the Chinese Aviation thread - and then steadfastly ignore any and all evidence presented (preferably by asking 'what exactly are *we* supposed to be looking at?'). But *we* know better than that.

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    What is the KS-P supposed to be again?

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    Considering that there's still exposed metal pitot tubes, I certainly hope that's not the production version.
    As per details *leaked* in July 2015, the PRE serial machines are designated T-50C (T-50S).

    The production schedule at that time was for Т-50С-1 & 2 in 2016; Т-50С-3 & 4 in 2017 and Т-50С-5 thru to 8 by 2019.

    Even if the pre-series machines commenced construction concurrently with the later prototype/EMD aircraft (T-50-8, 9, 10 & 11), it is obvious that the above schedule has slipped by at least 2 years.

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    Yes, two years slip i.e. something that compared to the average production delay of let's just say the ones ALL the current NATO fighters actually in production (but also Su-35 and Mig-35) can be just considered a miracle.

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    FalconDude; Stinger has been long ever since T-50-6-2, because that is a standard change with Phase 2 frames and we knew about it even before we ever saw 6-2.

    I think KS-P is fitted to 11 the same way it is "fitted" to T-50-9, ie just a mock up imho.

    Not sure what Jo is trying to say, but T-50S is the serial OKB designation. After -11 it will be serial planes, Su-57/T-50S.

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    What is the KS-P? The search function on the forum seems to be down for some annoying reason.

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    I don't think there is a confirmed function so far. It has been speculated that it is a business jet style Nav-FLIR/EVS, but if 101KS-U really is an EODAS-equivalent, that seems redundant. Maybe 101KS-P has an IR-band better suited to fog/rain penetration than the MAWS-biased 101KS-U?

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    Berkut, does the following not translate as "PRE-serial aircraft [T-50S]"? Y/N?

    (пред)серийных самолётов...

    http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/4618-t-50-a-4/
    Marcellogo, a two year delay is no big deal - and can only be beneficial for Type-30 testing & integration.

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