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    Arihant- my advice to you is to stop responding to JSR. Block him, ignore him, whatever, but don't let his rubbish derail this thread.

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    China is not going to send one missile at time so India will have to practically buy unlimited number of SAMs spread out. I doubt Israeli can do faster R&D and produce more missiles than China.
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    You have mistaken belief that an ABM system is aimed primarily against China and not Pakistan.
    It does not matter. China has exported great amount of UCAVs/UAVs and BM missiles to Middleast and Africa. and It has exported 100 JF-17 to Pakistan. and most probably exported cruise missiles/BMs in even greater quantity.
    on other hand Barak-8/ or what ever India developing for short range cruise missile defence missile is on paper. there is no mass produced Tels with operationally multishot capability. that industrial production gap of advanced weopons is going to increase much more when you consider the bond yield difference.
    India simply cant offer what China can offer to Israel.

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    http://www.jpost.com/Blogs/ArabIsrae...-Israel-533321
    Significant private investment is also prevalent, as in 2015 40% of all venture capital flowing into Israel came from China.
    2017
    http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/busine...nese-investors
    China’s total investment in Israel almost tripled last year to US$16 billion, largely in the hi-tech industry

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    Indian Defense Minister Nirmala Sitharaman flew a Su-30MKI fighter












    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    So, how's Super Sukhoi goes ? Especially the AESA's.

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    The Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa is on an official visit to AF Station Jaisalmer, a frontline Air Base of Rajasthan. The CAS flew a sortie in MiG21 type 96 Aircraft and interacted with the AirWarriors of the Station today.

    The MiG-21 M/MF is one sexy looking aircraft. Fast, nimble and agile.


    Does anyone know how many Bison squadrons do we have now? Is it 5 or 6?

    I reckon these are the Bison squadrons -

    1. No 3 Cobras
    2. No 4 Oorials
    3. No 21 Ankush
    4. No 23 Panthers
    5. No 32 Thunderbirds
    6. No 51 Sword Arms

    Then there are two more 21 squadrons one each of bis - No 26 Warriors at Pathankot and one of MF- No 35 Rapiers at Jaisalmer.

    So total of 8 MiG-21 squadrons. Pls correct me if I am wrong.
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    The IAF will soon ink a contract with Rosoboronexport for the overhaul, repair and service life extension of its fleet of 3 Mi-26 choppers. The TTSL will be extended by 1000 hours for each of the heptrs.

    Besides the slep, we can go for a new acquisition of 4-6 Mi-26T2 to meet the IAF requirements of delivering outsize voluminous heavy cargoes to difficult to reach and access areas. This helo played an instrumental role in providing succor and relief after the Kedarnath floods. The new T2 will offer significantly lower life cycle costs over the original variant with lower SFC and less man hours per flight hour.

    http://www.tribuneindia.com/mobi/new...fe/530370.html

    Even as the Indian Air Force prepares to induct the US-made Chinook heavy-lift helicopter, it has set in motion the process for life extension of the ageing Soviet-origin Mi-26 that has been forming its heavy-lift component since 1985.

    The IAF has three Mi-26, the world’s largest helicopter, based at Chandigarh with 126 Helicopter Flight. The Total Technical Life (TTL) of two of these machines expired in September 2013 and August 2014 and these have since been non-operational.

    The IAF has contracted for 15 CH-47 Chinooks, which are expected to start arriving in 2019. The IAF at present is constrained to rely on a single heavy-lift helicopter to carry out strategic tasks. At 20 tonnes, the payload capability of the Mi-26 is almost double that of the Chinook.

    Two Mi-26s were initially procured in 1986 with two more in 1989. One was lost in a freak accident in 1998, when it toppled over due to a gust of wind. This was replaced by a new helicopter in October 2002. A second Mi-26 was lost in a crash during take-off from Jammu in 2010.

    Sources say the IAF has approached the Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant in Russia, seeking a proposal for ferrying all three helicopters to Russia for overhaul as well as undertaking a special life extension programme.

    The IAF is looking at extending the TTL of the helicopters by 100 flying hours each, an officer said. As of December 2017, the two older machines had put in a total of about 2,400 flying hours each, which comes to an average of about 85 per annum till the time they were operational.

    The third helicopter, which has a TTL of 8,000 hours as stipulated by the manufacturer, has logged about 1,450 till December 2017, averaging 96 hours annually. It had been given special life extension for two years during an overhaul and inspection done earlier, sources said.

    Only one operational

    The IAF currently has only one operational heavy-lift Mi-26 to carry out its strategic tasks. The world’s largest helicopter can carry 20 tonne payload
    The IAF has approached a Russian plant to ferry the three copters in its fleet for undertaking a special life extension programme
    US-made CH-47 Chinook heavy-lift helicopter will replace the ageing Mi-26. The first of 15 are likely to start arriving in 2019

    It was indeed an amazing experience for Nirmala Sitharaman the other day. Let's hope that after this spellbounding experience, she gives added impetus and fast tracks the Su-30MKI deep modernisation program. It has been hanging fire since quite some time now. The deal should have been finalized and inked in the last year itself so that the actual upgrade could begin this year. Let's wish that the deal isn't delayed any more.

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    Saras light transport aircraft, PT-1N flew for the first time, after the fleet was grounded for over 8 years and the entire program was almost shelved, thanks to the prototype crash.

    PT-1N has several improvements over the earlier Saras, and hopefully this pusher prop will complete its complete flight testing and certification phase this time.



    An improved prototype of the Indian Saras light transport aircraft has completed first test flight after being grounded for 8 years.

    The PT1N, an improved and upgraded version of the first prototype, flew for 35 minutes piloted by ASTE Test Pilots Wg Cdr B Panicker & U P Singh along with Flight Test Engineer Bhat.

    The aircraft had undergone 10 modifications that improve aerodynamic characteristics and make the aircraft more pilot friendly.

    Among the major modifications include a larger metallic Rudder for increased controllablility, stall warning system, more efficient electrical system, improved flight control systems and an optimal engine nacelle.

    The program was grounded following a fatal crash involving the second prototype PT-2, during flight testing in 2009 killing the three on board flight crews.

    Investigation found that an incorrect engine relight procedure devised by the aircraft designer National Aerospace Ltd (NAL) and adopted by the flight crew at an insufficient flight altitude (9400 ft) lead to rapid loss of altitude and abnormal behavior of aircraft resulting in the crash.

    Contributing factors to crash included:

    Lack of crew coordination and cockpit procedures.
    Handling of the controls.
    Non-aborting of flight by the crew in coordination with the flight test Director after failure of first relight attempt.
    Devising engine relight procedures by NAL without consulting the propeller manufacturer.
    As being a developmental aircraft controllablity issue with the aircraft had been reported by pilots, who had complained of excessive control forces.
    Lack of clarity from Engine OEM Pratt & Whitney whether to keep the propeller in “feather” or “Fine”for engine relight procedure in air.

    Saras features a low wing monoplane design with T-tail, powered by two Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A -67A Turboprop engines in pusher configuration.

    Each engine is fitted with a 5 bladed MT propeller made of Aluminum alloy incorporating a variable pitch, constant speed unit and a propeller over speed governor. The engines are installed on the stub wings on either side of the rear fuselage.

    The standard design configuration can seat 14 passengers, seated 2 abreast. Front and rear baggage compartments are provided for the purpose of accommodating the baggage.

    Indian Air Force had earlier committed to acquire 15 Saras aircraft for cargo and light transport roles, as it had an pressurized cabin, to augment the non-pressurized Dornier Do 228 fleet.

    By the end of 2019, NAL plans to fly a production-standard version for air-worthiness certification.
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    I do however feel that NAL is too small and under manned to take up such a program on its own. Without the help of other PSUs like HAL or ADA, or any other private sector entity, they'll have a hard time taking this program to its fruition in a defined period of time.

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    Lack of clarity from Engine OEM Pratt & Whitney whether to keep the propeller in “feather” or “Fine”for engine relight procedure in air.
    Really?! (That's when I got scared...)

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    India’s Light Combat Helicopter flies with indigenous automatic flight control system (AFCS) for the first time. 20 min, flawless flight, says HAL. This was TD-2.

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    Then this is the ultra wide band radar absorbing skin that has been developed by DRDO. It is meant for the Ucav Aura and Amca I guess.

    It will be awesome if they apply this on the Tejas intakes and leading and trailing edges and on the LCH body. Looks like a Fibre based mat.
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    More details on the HAL developed AFCS for the LCH

    LCH makes first flight with indigenously developed AFCS

    HAL today said it has carried out the first flight of Light Combat Helicopter (Technology Demonstrator-2) with the Automatic Flight Control System designed by it, for the first time in the country.

    The maiden flight was 'flawless' and flew for 20 minutes with the engagement of the system throughout, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited said in a press release.

    Wing Commander( Retd) Unni K Pillai, Chief Test Pilot and Group Captain (Retd) Rajesh Verma, Test Pilot were at the controls of LCH, it said.

    The development of indigenous AFCS is a HAL funded project and would replace the high value imported system, HAL CMD T Suvarna Raju said.

    "The AFCS is a digital four axis flight control system capable of performing control and stability augmentation function and auto-pilot modes of helicopters."

    "The indigenous development of the Hardware, Software and Control Law is a fully in-house effort of HAL R&D Centres - RWR&DC and MCSRDC at Bengaluru, SLRDC at Hyderabad and Korwa Division," he said.

    Representatives from certification agencies and senior officers from HAL were present during the flight.

    HAL said it has already indigenised the Cockpit Display System on LCH, namely Integrated Architecture Display System (IADS) with the participation of Indian private industries and that development flight testing was under progress.

    The Initial Operational Clearance for LCH was given on August 26, 2017 in the presence of the Union Defence Minister.

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    Another article on the AFCS from Broadsword.

    http://www.business-standard.com/art...3101673_1.html

    The unit price of LCH in the 15 Lsp series contract is Rs 231 crore and this price will further come down once the AFCS and IADS enters production.

    The indigenous Light Combat Helicopter, which is already a success story that has been ordered by the Indian Air Force (IAF) and the army, logged an important breakthrough today by flying with an “automatic flight control system” (AFCS) designed and developed by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL).

    An AFCS is a powerful computer that keeps a helicopter flying stably, by sensing any deviation from level flight in microseconds, and sending flight controls the correctives needed to revert to stable flight.

    So far, the LCH had been flying with an expensive, imported AFCS.
    “The development of indigenous AFCS is a HAL-funded project and will replace the high value imported system,” said T. Suvarna Raju, the chief of HAL.

    HAL’s mission control systems R&D centre (MCSRDC), which has developed this system, is credited with a string of software development successes – notably the Jaguar fighter’s DARIN navigation-attack system that guides the aircraft with pinpoint accuracy to deliver bombs on a target hundreds of kilometers away.

    HAL also announced on Wednesday that it had “indigenised the Cockpit Display System on LCH, namely the Integrated Architecture Display System (IADS) with the participation of Indian private industries.” This system, which is being flight tested, also replaces an expensive imported system.


    These import-substitution measures are expected to cumulatively bring down the cost of the LCH from the Rs 231 crore per chopper that has been negotiated for the first 15 helicopters that the military ordered in December.
    The LCH is one of HAL’s four major success stories in helicopter development. It started with the Dhruv advanced light helicopter (ALH), which is the mainstay of the army aviation corps. That was followed by an armed version of the Dhruv, called the Rudra, which participated in the Republic Day flypast last week. Undergoing testing is the eponymous Light Utility Helicopter, which is in a race with the Russian Kamov-226T to enter production.

    The LCH was accorded Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) on August 26, in the presence of the defence minister.
    For the army, the LCH is a crucial force multiplier – by providing fire support at extremely high altitudes to Indian infantrymen, who can carry only limited weaponry in those rarefied altitudes. With an LCH at hand, they will benefit from its 20-millimetre turret gun, 70-millimetre air-to-ground rockets, and air-to-air and air-to-ground guided missiles.

    The LCH, which is a 5.8-tonne, twin-engine helicopter will cost less than half the price of the AH-64E Apache, which the IAF has bought from Boeing, USA. The Apache is more heavily armed and armoured and has the sophisticated Longbow fire control radar. The LCH does not yet have radar, but HAL is in the process of developing one before mass production begins.
    The article also states that HAL is in the process of developing a rotor mounted radar for the LCH before the heptr enters series production. Its an error. It should be Drdo.

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    An exclusive report from Livefist on our Ghatak/ Drdo Aura program.

    https://www.livefistdefence.com/2018...-aircraft.html

    A scaled down 1:8 model of the Aura is now being fabricated by ADA and IIT-K. It's named Swift, short for Stealth wing flying testbed. A Swift model with a metal body is being subjected to wind tunnel tests by IIT Kanpur at its in house facilities.

    The rather interesting thing here is a prototype Swift will be fitted with a Russian NPO Saturn 36MT turbo fan engine and launched on its first flight by the end of 2018-19 fiscal. Present the Ghatak program has been approved as a Lead in project in 2016 for the development of critical advanced technologies with a budget of Rs 231 crore. An in principle approval will give the program a full fledged project status and this approval will in all probability be accorded this year.

    Another interesting thing to note here is ADA's plan to construct a 1:1 scale mockup of Aura and subject it to RCS tests at the Outdoor Radar Cross section measurements facility in Hyderabad-Project Orange this year. With this RCS evaluation program ADA wants to validate its RCS reduction approach, the overall vehicle shaping and materials. Five Drdo labs are working on materials for the Aura.
    The sheer no of labs working on RAS and Ram signifies the sheer importance Drdo is according to this project. And some serious high tech R&D is going on in the field of radar absorbent materials for aerial platforms applications- the fifth Gen Amca and the desi Ucav.

    Dr Christopher do have a point when he says" Nobody will share the technologies that go into Ghatak. And that’s the reason why we have committed to building every piece of technology that will make this a proven stealth unmanned combat aircraft," but instead of reinventing the wheel we could have gone in for a JV with a foreign OEM.

    Although the Fgfa JV is yet to take off and many armchair Air Marshal have grave reservations about it, Sukhoi JSC would have been the perfect partner for our Aura project. They are already developing a Rq-170 sized or even larger X-47B class unmanned LO combat aerial vehicle with a first flight scheduled early this year. Such a JV would have helped ADA and HAL leapfrog in the field of ucav and make up for the deficiencies in the design and development of a mature uav platform. After all ADE has made a dog 'S breakfast of Rustom-1 and 2.

    The other OEM with which we could have tied up was Dassault. Then Aura could build upon the expertise gained from the nEUROn program. The latest Ghatak 2.3 config bears a close resemblance to this Dassault Ucav.


    Both the IAF and ADA have zeroed in on the dry variant of Kaveri for powering the Ghatak Ucav. And Safran will be playing a key role in this. The Safranised Kaveri will in all probability feature a variant of the M88-4E core and will have a wet thrust of 98 kN. If a non afterburning variant of this Safranised Kaveri is installed in Ghatak, then the Ucav will benefit from the lower SFC of M88 and higher dry thrust figures resulting in greater endurance, persistance and a higher payload.
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    Hi BlackArcher,

    Just want to ask if the modernized Mig-29upg can integrate with the litening targeting pod. If it can, what is the position on Mig-29upg that the pod attach to? Thank you.

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    Hi BlackArcher,

    Just want to ask if the modernized Mig-29upg can integrate with the litening targeting pod. If it can, what is the position on Mig-29upg that the pod attach to? Thank you.
    Hi Kopyo-21.

    No reason why it cannot be integrated with the Litening LDP. The Su-30MKI is a Russian jet and it is integrated with the Litening, but so far I've never seen any mention of such an integration being planned for the MiG-29UPG. I'm afraid, if such a thing were to be planned, it would need to use an underwing station, since the MiG-29SMT based UPG doesn't have a dedicated hardpoint for mounting pods under the fuselage, unlike the Su-30MKI.

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    Thank you, BlackArcher. Generally the Mig-29 can mount targeting pod under the central hard point but need to extend the pylon to give it wide & side FOV. However, in that case, it will have to sacrifice the 1,500L or 2,150L fuel tank.

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    The airframe need to be modified in similar manner as Egyptian MiG-29M2's but i wonder whether it's expedient to make such changes. The MiG-29K' \s is better candidate as it much newer and supposedly have commonality with latest MiG's that carry russian T-220 pod.

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    "The demand that the Government disclose the details and value of the contract for the Rafale aircraft contracted in 2016 is unrealistic. The approximate acquisition cost of the Rafale aircraft has already been provided to the Parliament. The provision of exact item-wise cost and other information will reveal, inter alia, details regarding the various customisations and weapon systems, specially designed to augment the effectiveness and lethality of the assets, impact our military preparedness and compromise our national security."

    [...]

    Furthermore, the ministry said that no Indian offset partner for the 2016 deal has been selected by the development agency- Dassault Aviation. Even Sitharaman while answering a question on the Rafale deal on Monday had explained, "Details of Indian Offset Partners have not yet been provided by the French Industrial suppliers and as per the provisions of Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) - 2013 they need to do so at the time of seeking offset credits or one year prior to discharge of offset obligations through their Indian Offset Partners."
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    HAL's Hawk-I flew with an indigenous RTOS real time operating system for the first time on February 7. Replacement of the foreign RTOS with the HAL developed one will save some foreign exchange howsoever small it may be.
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    The Government had already disclosed the unit price of Rafale in Nov, 16 in Parliament. It's Rs 670 crore or about 104 million dollars. Damn expensive.
    The AdlA Rafales cost less per unit than our birds if you exclude the R&D and design development costs for the entire Rafale program.

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    What do we think about this UCAV then?

    If it is entirely domestic are we confident that the LO design will be first class? The reason I ask this is not because I doubt India's engineering capability, but more that the US experience of LO projects is that the path to success is littered with designs that cost billions (taken together) and were not actually stealthy.

    I suppose the basics are well understood but the magic is in the skin these days.

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    What do we think about this UCAV then?

    If it is entirely domestic are we confident that the LO design will be first class? The reason I ask this is not because I doubt India's engineering capability, but more that the US experience of LO projects is that the path to success is littered with designs that cost billions (taken together) and were not actually stealthy.

    I suppose the basics are well understood but the magic is in the skin these days.
    A little bird told me Dassault is in the loop.

    The Government had already disclosed the unit price of Rafale in Nov, 16 in Parliament. It's Rs 670 crore or about 104 million dollars. Damn expensive.
    The AdlA Rafales cost less per unit than our birds if you exclude the R&D and design development costs for the entire Rafale program.
    Yes they are way cheaper. Three reasons : export costs, offsets and R&D deal (industrials paid for 25% of Rafale R&D, chare for them to get their mony back on export).

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    Yes they are way cheaper. Three reasons : export costs, offsets and R&D deal (industrials paid for 25% of Rafale R&D, chare for them to get their mony back on export).
    Offsets would be part of the overall contract value, not included in the listed unit price above.

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    A little bird told me Dassault is in the loop.
    Maybe but I am not very sure about this. There have been mentions of Dassault helping us with the Ghatak project but there isn't anything definite to support it.

    However where the French are indeed helping us is in making the GTX-35 Kaveri flyworthy. Snecma Moteurs is helping us in ironing out all the nagging issues with the G9 variant.Then then are reports of Snecma helping us develope an uprated variant with 98 kN wet thrust rating for the Kaveri. 86-88 kN figures have also been proposed. Snecma has proposed that a variant of the M88-4E core be mated with the Kaveri in place of the current kabini so that it is able to meet the airforce'stringent ASQR - wet thrust, SFC, service life and MTBO. Snecma'participation will result in a Safranised Kaveri with a French core which will ultimately be manufactured in India with Drdo holding the IPR. Then Snecma will help ADE, GTRE of Drdo to fix existing issues on the dry Kaveri and also modify it accordingly so that it can power the indigenous Ghatak.

    This is the extent of French cooperation and consultancy in the Drdo Aura program. The vehicle's aerodynamics, structural engineering and materials are being done in house. My earlier post from Livefist features a scale model of Aura intake being subjected to wind tunnel tests. IIT K and IIT B are playing a key role in the overall vehicle design and aerodynamics.
    But I must admit, the Ghatak bears an uncanny resemblance to the neuron which may be nothing more than a lucky coincidence.

    I suppose the basics are well understood but the magic is in the skin these days.
    A lot of research is being carried out in the field of Ram and RCS these days by a plethora of labs under Drdo. Right now five different Ram coatings and structures are under various stages of R&D.
    A few of them has alreycompleted developement and is now undergoing user trials.
    Below is the description of a wide band capacitive Jaumann absorber based Ram being developed for the Amca and Ghatak by ADE. ADE is also the lead R&D body for the Ghatak Ucav.


    An ultra wide band (UWB), reduced thickness four layers capacitive jaumann absorber (CJA) with measured reflectivity of -15 dB (minimum) from 2 GHz to 19 GHz is presented in this paper. The novel CJA is designed and implemented by modifying the jaumann absorber (JA) design. The crucial impedance matching layers of CJA are designed by conceptualizing hexagonal resistive grid on dielectric substrates. Reduced thickness of 24.8 mm is realised by capacitive loading of hexagonal resistive grids with hexagonal resistive patches. Absorption performance of CJA is verified by full wave analysis using high frequency structural simulator software. Polarisation independent absorption performance is realised. Absorption of 96.5 per cent (minimum) is achieved with variation in angles of incidence from 0° to 30°. Resistive capacitive layers of CJA are developed as electrically thin printed circuit boards and integrated with alternating low loss, low density foam dielectric spacers backed by metallic conducting plane. Size of panel CJA is 280 mm × 280 mm. Fabricated panel CJA is evaluated for radar cross section (RCS) performance in microwave anechoic chamber. Matching results are obtained in simulation and measurements. The reduced thickness, low weight, UWB CJA finds application in RCS reduction of air vehicles/unmanned air vehicle.

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    More on this here.

    http://publications.drdo.gov.in/ojs/...iew/12025/6086

    Here's the DMSRDE-Developed RAS meant for medium combat aircraft(read Amca) and Ucav showcased at Aero India 2013.

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    Very interesting thanks.

    Neuron looks remarkably like the Boeing Phantom Ray so Aura looks like the Phantom Ray then

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    Eastern Air Command is maintaining sizeable deployments of Su-30MKI at Bagdogra and Hasimara airbases since the Doklam standoff.

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    Seen here is nine Su-30 MKI at Bagdogra airbase.

    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/rest...e-near-doklam/

    IAF) rotations of SU-30MKI Flanker continued in 2017/2018 at the Bagdogra Airbase, likely for an unannounced air exercise. Previous commercial imagery acquired in January 2016 also showed a squadron level deployment of the IAF’s advanced fighter. Up to eleven Flanker were observed and nine were still visible by the end of January 2018.

    Prior to the Bagdogra deployments, commercial imagery acquired in October 2017 captured the arrival of at least four SU-30MKI at nearby Hasimara. The flight of Flanker deployed for QRA duty likely due to tensions with China over the Doklam dispute. The QRA aircraft may have relocated to Bagdogra to fill out the squadron level deployment, as they were no longer visible at the end of December.

    After the Flanker departed Hasimara, commercial imagery showed additional arrivals on the eastern parking apron. Imagery acquired in early January showed a flight of five Hawk MK 132 trainer aircraft. (The IAF & Indian Navy ordered 123 Hawk MK-132 jets.) The Hawk provide Stage 3 training before pilots progress to operational fighters. It’s likely the Hawk participated in the air exercise. Imagery suggests the exercise concluded within the month as the Hawk departed the airbase.

    Not far from the Hawk, four MIG-27ML were also observed on the north side of the runway. India reportedly decommissioned the remaining MIG-27 at the airbase in late December; however many remained near operational areas in January. Previously, non-operational MIG-27 appear to have been cannibalized for parts and relocated south of the runway. India still operates the swing-wing aircraft out of Jodhpur and Gwalior.

    Satellite imagery continues to show a larger number of fighter aircraft deployed at China’s Shigatse, the closest airfield to the Doklam dispute. With the completion of India’s air exercise and the decommissioning of the MIG-27, it will be interesting to see if the IAF will maintain the previous QRA flight or even a larger air element. Until we get additional collects, we won’t know if India is attempting to hedge against Chinese rotations.

    Bottom Line: India conducted an unannounced air exercise near Doklam. Historical imagery suggests it was previously planned and may not be directly related with tensions in the area.
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    Coming from Saurabh Joshi, this news has a LOT of credibility. Possibly one of the most knowledgeable and genuine defence reporters in India. If this is true, it reveals a very big shift in the IAF's 5th generation plans, with the Su-57 based FGFA no longer being the likeliest 5th gen fighter for the IAF, apart from the AMCA (which has gotten approval for work to start in a big way).

    Prior to this, there were no genuine reports about the IAF even contemplating the F-35 in place of the FGFA. It is still not clear, whether they will complement each other or one takes the place of the other, but my guess is that the latter is more likely. India just doesn't have the defence budget to induct 3 types of 5th gen fighters, i.e. the F-35, the FGFA and the AMCA. And with the indigenisation push, plus the fact that the IAF is now involved from the very start of the program, the AMCA does have the political and the service's backing.

    IAF mulls F-35 order

    The Indian Air Force (IAF) is considering the possibility of an order for the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter, according to sources in the Ministry of Defence.

    With deliberations at an early stage, it is understood the IAF will be writing to ask for more information on the fifth generation fighter.

    India has been involved with the development of the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) – a version of the Russian PAK-FA/Sukhoi-57 fighter, but the IAF has lately been concerned about the uncertain prospects of the program.

    The IAF has also been contemplating a new contest for a single engine fighter between the Saab Gripen and the Lockheed Martin F-16 under the provisions for strategic partnerships incorporated in Chapter 07 of the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP). However, no Request For Information (RFI) has been forthcoming so far. StratPost also understands there is new thinking on this, with the possibility that the Government of India might forego a tender process in favour of a direct, government-to-government order for an aircraft.

    Although the F-16 and the Gripen have been the favourites for the IAF, not least because of their Make in India proposal to set up assembly lines for the aircraft in India, it remains undecided if this new move is intended to replace or supplement plans for either a Make in India fighter aircraft assembly line in India or the FGFA program.

    At any rate, there will be several issues to resolve before a conversation can take place on an Indian F-35 order.

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    It was predictable that if India kicked the can long enough that they would at least contemplate the F35. Su-57 has all the hall marks of being extremely expensive 300 million to 500 million dollar cost. India likely simply cant afford its price. F35 will come with a raft of technology restrictions that will go against made in India ethos. So you have an unaffordable Su57 on one hand and a F35 that is affordable but has massive restrictions on available tech transfer and local production.

    Next stop will be maybe India joining the French and German 5th generation effort.

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    Coming from Saurabh Joshi, this news has a LOT of credibility. Possibly one of the most knowledgeable and genuine defence reporters in India. If this is true, it reveals a very big shift in the IAF's 5th generation plans, with the Su-57 based FGFA no longer being the likeliest 5th gen fighter for the IAF, apart from the AMCA (which has gotten approval for work to start in a big way).

    Prior to this, there were no genuine reports about the IAF even contemplating the F-35 in place of the FGFA. It is still not clear, whether they will complement each other or one takes the place of the other, but my guess is that the latter is more likely. India just doesn't have the defence budget to induct 3 types of 5th gen fighters, i.e. the F-35, the FGFA and the AMCA. And with the indigenisation push, plus the fact that the IAF is now involved from the very start of the program, the AMCA does have the political and the service's backing.
    Yeah, totally unbiased and highly Credible article
    https://www.stratpost.com/enabling-i...dialogue-f-35/

    And a quick glance of other similar article by him also conclude one thing.. ********.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by haarvarla
    Yeah, totally unbiased and highly Credible article
    https://www.stratpost.com/enabling-i...highly_amused:
    You'll have to be more specific. What part of that analysis is totally biased and highly incredible?

    I imagine most people would find it pretty boilerplate.

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