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    @XB-70

    It would be good to get that conversation going in the China thread about the RCS of the J-20. The J-20 has been given a pass and the world seems to just focus on making up problems with the su 57

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    Kaveri turbofan status


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    For all those cribbing about India pulling out of the FGFA/PAK-FA/Su-57 program, this is what Turkey got for its $175 million investment as a partner in the F-35 program.

    Turkey became the seventh partner nation to join the Joint Strike Fighter programme in 2002, when it contributed $175 million to the system development and demonstration (SDD) phase. The US fighter also secured commitments from Australia, Canada, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway and the UK.

    As a partner in the programme, the Turkish air force gained insight into the aircraft's concepts and requirements definition, while Turkish companies were brought in to the supply chain as subcontractors. For example, in co-ordination with Northrop Grumman, the main fuselage manufacturer for the F-35, Turkish Aerospace Industries manufactures and assembles centre fuselages, produces composite skins and weapon bay doors, and fibre placement composite air inlet ducts.

    Lockheed projects that the financial opportunities for Turkish companies to service and produce parts for the F-35 could reach $12 billion over the lifetime of the programme.
    link to FG

    And what did India get for its $250 million investment into the PAK-FA program? What information/drawings/designs were shared? What requirements was India able to shape as a so-called "partner" that was actually contributing money? What technologies were to be transferred for India to be able to induct and support the FGFA fleet? What parts would India make for ALL Su-57s that would be built for the RuAF and export nations? How much money would India have stood to gain from producing any parts for the global Su-57 fleet?


    So much of this blame gets apportioned to India without anyone talking about what Russia stood to gain from India's participation or what Russia would give for the money that was being spent by India as a so-called "partner". Does any Russian fanboy even know any of these answers or is it just fashionable to blame India for everything?

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    As a partner in the programme, the Turkish air force gained insight into the aircraft's concepts and requirements definition, while Turkish companies were brought in to the supply chain as subcontractors. For example, in co-ordination with Northrop Grumman, the main fuselage manufacturer for the F-35, Turkish Aerospace Industries manufactures and assembles centre fuselages, produces composite skins and weapon bay doors, and fibre placement composite air inlet ducts.
    Is there a fresh update on what Turkey got today compare what Turkey was promised back in 2002?
    Lockheed projects that the financial opportunities for Turkish companies to service and produce parts for the F-35 could reach $12 billion over the lifetime of the program.
    Exactly how many $Billions do Turkey have invested in F-35 Production and development by now, and how much revenue is the Turkish defense industry gaining now?


    That article seems very vague.. sounds most like something fancy PowerPoint presentations LM would sell Turkey early on in the F-35 program.
    Thanks

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    Mamma mia this is a funny one... how many of the Turkish F-35 are going to be produced in Turkey, as the FGFA was going to be produced in India? The first two units have been "delivered" but bound to stay in US from what I know and the delivery of the rest is pending on Turkey renouncing to their defence sovereignty. Are they also allowed to compete with LM for the export of F-35? And they gained insight in the technology so very much that now US is threatening to deny SW updates and access to ALIS and basically ground the planes. Deal of the century yes...

    BTW, unlike the F-35 where there were national partners to the core project, India was no partner of PAK-FA, which is a exclusively Russian project. They discussed about their own plane based in PAK-FA but never agreed Russian conditions to access the ToT so by now the PAK-FA is essentially ready while the FGFA remains just a name.

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    You failed to give me any answer at all..
    If you are that adept in these matters, why not provide us with some figures?
    HOW MUCH INDUSTRY THROW BACK did Tirkey get from the F-35 program.
    How big are the production order on F-35 Parts?

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