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  1. #211
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    Junk Collector - what you say certainly sounds illegal - let everyone know the sellers user id so no one gets stung next time.

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    It's pretty widespread with counterfeit stuff
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    Although I agree that the seller is pushing the boundaries when it comes to his selling technique. The onus is on the buyer to check the facts, the internet is a big and scary place and not everyone plays by the same rules as you. Usually if it's too good to be true it is.
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    The bit that p!sses me off is that when I listed a pair of my daughters shoes as replica Louis Vuitton the ad was pulled by eBay .

    It seems that honesty doesn't pay on there!



    Rob

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    I listed the remains of a very rusty battlefield relic bayonet part, and they pulled it, But you can by kitchen knives by the sack load
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    eBay are worried about being sued by big companies, so selling a copy of a 'label' design is something they will come down hard on, even if, as happened to Wyvernfan, the seller makes it clear it's a copy.

    This shows that they do understand that they arguably have some liability when it comes to what is sold - it's just that they know they can't be touched by anyone who can't afford corporate lawyers.
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    eBay are worried about being sued by big companies, so selling a copy of a 'label' design is something they will come down hard on, even if, as happened to Wyvernfan, the seller makes it clear it's a copy.

    This shows that they do understand that they arguably have some liability when it comes to what is sold - it's just that they know they can't be touched by anyone who can't afford corporate lawyers.
    Yes and as you are selling them, you are actually selling fake items which probably breach their copyright/ design, which opens up a whole bag of worms, i do wonder if you put in the style off, would they be accepted, plus the buyer may not be as honest as you and post them on as genuine,

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    A lot of listings sell cheap knock off copies of stuff, the listing sometimes shows the real brand item, I got caught by that despite trying to buy the branded version. I rang Ebay to complain, the foreign call centre person tried to advise me it is the buyers responsibilty, I advised her we have a law called the mirepresentation of goods act among others, and in my case this person was breaking the law, the result was Ebay did nothing and the seller carried on, lucky in my case it wasn't much
    Bought a camera compact memory card on ebay (£40) and reading their guide I realised it was a fake, contacted the seller ( UK) and put it to them and was getting nowhere, checked through their online sales and realised they had sold about 40K of stock in total, contacted them again and told them either they responded and sorted it or my next call would be to trading standards and the police as I had the fake goods, their nicely handwritten return address on the packaging and could show sales of 40K throught the website that would make both organisations sit up and take note...
    Panic set in at the other end and the replying email asked where they could purchase a genuine card from for me... which was more evidence of it being fake, found Amazon selling them at over £80 and she bought direct off Amazon and had it shipped from them to me, after that was completed I returned her garbage back to her without any postage on it.

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    Robert Rudhall's BoB photo album book. A rare sight these days, it took me a while to find my copy. I'll be interested to see how much it makes as the 'text' version is often listed but rarely seems to sell.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/263186565899

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    Well Elwick I think it went to £37.50, would that be cheap ?

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    To be so vivid and fresh, it must have been shot down last week
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    A casual glance through other items this individual is offering is this aviation related collectable:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW2-RAF-NA...gAAOSwL4BZtt-J

    I am suspicious of the medal group being genuine (i.e. an original group belonging to the log book), especially as the ACE star is a copy.

    The close up has carefully been photographed obliquely so you can't easily see that the lower right hand point of the 'W' is not directly over the centre of the lower limb of the star, (i.e. the ridge) as it should be on a genuine star but, it is noticeable on the picture of the whole group study. I have never seen these stars tarnish like this except for fire damage and the (British) cupro-nickel Defence medal will not go black unless it is a genuine 'Canadian' Silver issue or, again smoke damage. But, no reference to the nationality - so he could then of course be Canadian.

    I am not suggesting in any way at all, that this vendor has 'faked' the group and he does not mention any misleading references in his very brief text. It may well be that the original owner lost his medals and 'cobbled' a replacement set together himself, not unknown.

    But it seems to be just as suspicious as the piece of fabric mentioned above.

    GYD

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    I contacted the seller and told him it was clearly a copy/fake ACE Star and that the log book entries show that the airman would not have qualified to be awarded that Star as he served too late. Sadly this seller frequently seems to "marry" items to attract more interest and covers himself by rather vague descriptions. He hasn't replied to my message so I contacted eBay but typically they don't seem bothered. Meanwhile it is sad to see bids being made in what is a misleading listing.

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    I have contacted E(vil)Bay with similar notifications too, particularly regarding medals (my other vice), like you say, they have little interest as it does not affect them directly and the contract is between the buyer and seller so, yet again cavaet emptor!

    GYD

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    I sold this seller 'vongold' some relic googles a while ago. They re-appeared on ebay, listed by him with an alleged history. He then blocked me from bidding on them! Ever wonder why so many of his items are too good to be true?

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    The word 'Shameless' comes to mind.

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    "To be so vivid and fresh, it must have been shot down last week "

    Not only that, it's a post war roundel. Was it shot down in the Korean War?

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    Good job you chaps are around to point out these things, well done, because at least potential buyers can get an independent appraisal of whether stuff is real or fake. There are a lot of sharks out there for sure.

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    It would be better if eBay allowed comments.

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    eBay's statement when you report any fake item like those medals and log book is "If there's a violation, the action we take depends on how it impacts our community. In some cases, we explain the situation to the seller and the listing will remain on our website. If the item or listing doesn't follow our rules, we may cancel the listing. We may also restrict the seller's buying and selling activities on eBay". In this case they have chosen to allow it to continue, meanwhile the bids continue and the seller yet again makes money dishonestly. It seems the only impact would be for the winner to then leave him negative feedback but this has happened in the past and he operated under a different account for a while! Hopefully if these listings are flagged up on forums then the names of such dealers become more public and it eventually impacts their trading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beermat
    It would be better if eBay allowed comments.
    Possible libel issues?
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    Is eBay really 'evil'; or those that trade on it any more dishonest that those using any other medium to sell these sorts of historical collectable? I think the only thing that separates eBay from, say, a militaria show, is that we can be privy to the very public sales on eBay.

    eBay has now become the main source for my collecting habit; frankly it frightens me to think of the things that I would have 'missed' if it hadn't been for eBay (and what may have become of those things - the dump in most cases I'm sure)!

    I also sell quite a lot of things on eBay (honestly!) and without it the 'turnover' of my collection would be much smaller, or impossible in many cases; this turnover of my collection on eBay allows me to make the most use of my limited money, space and time.

    Without eBay I'd inevitably be forced to throw-away things that I couldn't sell (even at a 'loss') and without eBay I wouldn't really be able to sell anything; I've only ever sold at one 'aerojumble' and couldn't give some stuff away!

    I've also seen a fair bit of stuff, at the very least, misrepresented at aerojumbles. If somebody is going to part with large sums of money with only the seller's word for what they are buying then surely they must bear some of the responsibility themselves? That isn't really fair (the dishonest seller should bear all the responsibility) but is it really fair to blame eBay?

    I suppose eBay could thoroughly vet every item that is sold on their site but that would make it simply uneconomic to sell and buy there so that isn't going to happen...

    ...so, yes, 'buyer beware' is probably the best mantra in the world we live in today.
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    I have never agreed with those that claim eBay is 'evil' or 'greedbay' as some call it. I too have added many rare and unique items to my collection and at times also been able to sell to market way beyond the size found anywhere else. I only have to think of all the ridiculous early starts I once made, both as a buyer and seller, at many militaria shows and boot fairs to realise how good eBay has been. Of course it has its faults and frustrations, and no shortage of dodgy sellers many of whom I can spot before I even see their eBay name, and they are frequent listers and have eBay business status. It is reassuring to see that these sellers are now named and possibly shamed (Ok, maybe they have no shame!) on various forums and groups and I hope the flagging up of such sellers continues. When I used to be able to physically go round fairs and particularly War and Peace you could often see the same traders peddling their fakes and copies year after year, no doubt the organisers of the fairs and shows were aware of these sellers in the same way eBay are informed of their bad sellers. Policing such practices is however a difficult and endless task and as one bad seller is removed there'll be another chancer listing soon after. It is indeed buyer beware sadly.

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    Perhaps it should be known as "greedbay" rather than "evilbay", it does appear that the point at which ebay start to "care" is the exact point where a loss of profit may occur, and or litigation would start.

    If you create something that grows so large that you can no longer maintain it, is that not your responsibility? where they try to get users involved in policing listings, they fall short, because of the impersonal way you "report" issues and the trusty ebay policy of not telling you if any action has been taken, indeed the drop down menu doesn't even have an option for intentionally misleading buyers, or scam listings.
    Why be your own worse critic, that's what the forum is for.

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    I do like the roundel red used on the oxford, pity the real roundel red looked nothing like that... trouble is until UK PLC starts to take action nowt will change.

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    Personally I wouldn't touch Vongold's stuff with a Barge pole............same as Military Trader.

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    I'm not sure that we can hold eBay responsible for every fraudulent transaction of militaria; just imagine the levels of specialist knowledge that would be required, or the time, over a million items listed in that category alone!

    And how would you verify something that couldn't be independently verified? Medals were mass-produced but claiming that the medal belonged to a famous individual vastly increases its value; how could the seller prove that it did or eBay verify that proof?

    They couldn't. So the the only options would be to accept the risk of fraud or to ban all sales of such items.
    WA$.

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    As others have said, cannot simply condemn Ebay, it must be a nightmare to 'police' everything......and along with other collectors, I have purchased some wonderful, ORIGINAL / PERIOD RAF items over the years, including a photo AND the original large negative of the owner of a ww11 Log Book purchased elsewhere many years previously.

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    I fully agree with you Creaking Door, I am a totally committed user of the site and like you I have gained some quite exotic pieces for my collection too; both on the aviation and the medal side. However, it does irk me when individuals elongate or over exaggerate the description in a perhaps slightly disingenuous (naive?) way, to maximise their reward and ignore any contact when these errors are hi-lighted to them.

    It must also be pointed out that these individuals are not just restricted to the 'Militairia' sections of the site, so we are not alone.

    There are however, fortunately many more sellers who do appreciate additional information about their items and readily acknowledge these facts. I have also been messaged (through eBay), a couple of times from sellers who have welcomed additional information in the past and have asked me to help identify items before they list them.

    So no, eBay isn't really 'evil' it's addictive!

    GYD

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