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    Vickers Wellington recovery from IJsselmeer

    I noticed a snippet in the news stating that a Vickers Wellington wreck will be recovered from the IJsselmeer in The Netherlands. The area is to be cleaned up as the council is planning to use the area for sand mining. A company has been contracted to build up a dam around the wreck so that the area can be pumped dry before recovering the wreck and most likely some bombs and remains as well. The Dutch Air Force is also involved in the project. The aircraft was most likely shot down during the night of 8-9 May 1941. I'm sure someone else will know more details.

    If you read Dutch, the press release is here: http://www.defryskemarren.nl/publica...tus_36947.html
    There are two files linked at the bottom of that page, the second one has a few Wellington pictures in it, including a few from the Loch Ness recovery it seems.
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    The recovery officer claims that if this is not the aircraft thought to be, "others" have some explaining to do, and not the RNeth Recovery Team.

    What a strange remark, as we all know that Wellingtons are especially difficult to identify

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    That does seem an odd comment.. Hopefully it is in decent shape.. hmm wonder if Karl wants a wellington>>??
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    It's fragmented Peter
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    What a load of propaganda.
    He also claims this is the first time such an operation is carried out.
    During the early seventies a B24 was recovered using a similar technique.
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    R1322, 305 Squadron?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moggy C View Post
    R1322, 305 Squadron?

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    It is hoped to be this aircraft yes. Three crew members still missing.

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    The salvage has been delayed due to setbacks. One of the pumps broke down and one of the dam's walls sprung a leak. A replacement pump has already been installed. It is expected the salvage can restart tuesday or wednesday.

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    The paper seems happy to quote it as a 305 machine. SM-F from Syerston.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ossington View Post
    The paper seems happy to quote it as a 305 machine. SM-F from Syerston.
    Papers are happy to quote anything.

    It is generally thought to be this machine, and there's a very good chance it is indeed. Eyewitness reports tie in with it being this aircraft lost in the general area on that day. However, it would not be the first previously undocumented aircraft to be discovered in this vast lake. Hence the caveat until a positive identification is achieved. As an example a search for a lost Hudson turned up an Me109 instead some years ago, and recently a Stirling thought to have been lost over the Northsea was found in the IJsselmeer instead. It never ceases to amaze me how much is still out there...

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    Are there any plans with the wreck after the salvage? Or are the remains send to the scrapyard?

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    At the time of the Wapenveld recovery in 2014 I was explained the policy of the recovery organization. Aircraft parts recovered that are legally available (i.e.: no weapons or ammo, and no personal effects) are available for non-profit organizations with a view to educational purposes. Local organizations are preferred. Parts not used for this purpose, are offered to national and international organizations of relevance. If no home is found, recovered items are scrapped after some time in storage.

    All Halifax parts recovered at Wapenveld have found their way into preservation. Identifiable sections and parts for a proposed permanent exhibition at the foundation running the local mill at the crash site (currently in storage with the council). Other materials were used in the construction of a memorial sculpture to the crew.

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    Wellingtons are notoriously difficult to identify, especially in water. The aircraft is almost completely smashed up and fragmented.
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    Four bombs, two guns, mant small parts, engine fragments, a revolver and a prop found so far. No sign of the crew yet, but the remains are of a Wellington indeed.
    Last edited by ericmunk; 31st August 2016 at 20:04.

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    Possunt quia posse videntur (They can because they think they can; motto RAF 19 Squadron)

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    http://www.omropfryslan.nl/nieuws/66...ers-wellington

    More media coverage here.

    This is a major project, costs estimated at 1 mln euros. The area is to be dredged for sand for the building industry, and the presence of UXB's meant that a recovery was required by law before dredging could begin. With the bomb load found, there is good hope any crew remains (if present) will be recovered in the upcoming days and weeks. Fingers crossed.

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    Just the tip of the iceberg.

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    Presumably the whole are has been surveyed for other wrecks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by D1566 View Post
    Presumably the whole are has been surveyed for other wrecks?
    It has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CeBro View Post
    Just the tip of the iceberg.
    Indeed. But every little bit helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericmunk View Post
    It has.
    Did anything else of interest show up?
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    now thats the way to do it ! fantastic work and some great finds.
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    If there was no case of the UXB down there the whole operation would not have been carried out.

    Missing aircrew are not high on the agenda (if on there at all) of the Dutch Authorities. The group I work for as a volunteer have three similar cases under investigation with 9 missing aircrew still to be recovered. Requests so far have been ignored or refused. An ongoing struggle unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D1566 View Post
    Did anything else of interest show up?
    Not really. It is a relatively small area for which a permit has been issued. I have seen the survey results from sonar and magnetometer. Apart from the Wellington, there were two relatively recent small shipwrecks which will be cleared before dredging. Some anchorchains and the usual stuff. Nothing else aviation related.

    PS: the Wellington in the sonar images does not remotely resemble an aircraft, and was identified as unknown origin by the survey. It is, as has been mentioned, highly fragmented, with sonar and magnetometer mostly picking up some larger objects the size of roughly a bathtub.
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    That sounds familiar. I am supporting a similar case in Overijssel with two crew members still missing. Until there is a pressing need for excavation, or if substantial private funding is available, little is done usually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericmunk View Post
    Not really. It is a relatively small area for which a permit has been issued. I have seen the survey results from sonar and magnetometer. Apart from the Wellington, there were two relatively recent small shipwrecks which will be cleared before dredging. Some anchorchains and the usual stuff. Nothing else aviation related.
    Thanks for the info
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    On the same subject, this old TV documentary from the 70's is worth a look. With cameos from Galland, Harris and Doolitle.
    The quality isn't exactly HD, but watchable all the same.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTpAXE4WIJM
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    Another update.

    It was confirmed yesterday that the Wellington in question is indeed R1322. A piece of aircraft structure bearing the serial number has been found, as has the headset of a crew member with his name on it. More details on the aircraft and its crew: http://verliesregister.studiegroeplu...2.php?PN=R1322

    The extremely welcome news has been that human remains have been found on-site, and have been brought to the BIDKL at Soesterberg for formal identification.

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    Well done.

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