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Thread: RuAF News and development Thread part 15

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    The L-410NG aircraft received European and American certificates

    https://topwar.ru/133657-samolet-l-4...rtifikaty.html

    Director of Aircraft Industries for sales in Russia and CIS, Sergei Martynov said that in 2018 the company plans to manufacture the first serial L-410NG.

    We are negotiating with potential customers. Probably, the first L-410NG will be delivered to one of them in late 2018 - early 2019, and it is possible that to Russia,said the resource Martynov.

    It is reported that "in 2017, the Czech aircraft manufacturer built and delivered 12 aircraft to the customers, but it is obvious that gradually with the production of L-410UVP-E20 at the Ural Civil Aviation Plant, the output of these cars in the Czech Republic will decrease."

    The project of deep modernization of the 19-turboprop L-410UVP-E20 aircraft was launched in 2010. The first flight of the L-410NG was made in Kunovice in July 2015.

    According to the resource, the main differences of the L-410NG from the L-410UVP-E20 are: "The use of H85-200 engines with a power of 850 hp. (instead of H80-200, 800 hp), a modernized wing with additional fuel tanks, double luggage space, etc. "
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    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    Actually, I believe it's GosMKB Vympel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vympel_NPO

    Duks' primary specialization is R-73 and it's derivatives

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    Are Vympel have their own production plant ? As far as i know Vympel is a design bureau whose task is design and development. The plant where the missile is being mass produced can be different. It's reasonable tho to guess that Duks do the production.

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    Like StealthFlanker noted, I was under the impression that Vympel does not actually mass produce them past development batches.
    Vympel also lists R-73, but we know its produced @ Duks.

    The few references I could find re. 77-1 production mentioned Duks.
    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    Interview: OKB Ilyushin: we will work on the creation of a transport drone

    http://tass.ru/opinions/interviews/4870762
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    I'm mostly basing my claims on Butowski's book and the short summary article of company's modern history called "«ГОС МКБ «ВЫМПЕЛ» ИМ. И.И. ТОРОПОВА» В XXI ВЕКЕ" (GOS MKB VYMPEL I.I. TOPOROVA IN THE XXI CENTURY), which used to be available on the ktrv website (can now be found here or in the web archive):

    В условиях сокращения объёма заказов предприятие оказалось в сложном экономическом и финансовом положении. Выход был найден в развертывании серийного выпуска ракет на опытном производстве Гос МКБ «Вымпел». До 1991 г. оно обеспечивало ежегодный выпуск более 300 ракет различного типа для испытаний. После преобразования части опытного производства в серийное удалось увеличить объём выпуска продукции. С 1996 г. на «Вымпеле» было выпущено более 1000 УР класса «воздух-воздух» типа РВВ-АЕ, и класса «воздух-поверхность» Х-29, ряд устройств выброса пассивных помех и других изделий.

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    Следующим этапом стало завершение строительства на «Вымпеле» (исключительно за счет собственных средств) корпуса для серийного производства площадью 6000 кв.м, оснащённого новейшим производственным оборудованием. Это позволило предприятию не только увеличить выпуск уже существующих изделий (РВВ-АЕ, Х-29ТЕ, устройств выброса помех и пр.), но и обеспечило ему возможность перехода к производству оружия нового поколения. К выпуску изделий, разработанных на «Вымпеле», сегодня привлекаются и другие отечественные предприятия. Подобная кооперация позволяет полностью отказаться от услуг зарубежных партнёров и упрочить место России на мировым рынке авиационных вооружений.
    Long story short, following the decline of military procurement in the early 90s, Vympel was forced to expand part of it's experimental line (with an annual output of more than 300 various experimental "items") into a serial one. Since 1996 they've produced more than 1k RVV-AE and Kh-29 missiles, some decoy dispensers as well as "other things".

    After that they've completed construction of a new production facility with an overall area of 6k m^2 and modern production equipment. This allowed them increase production rate of existing items and to move onto "new generation weapons". They heavily rely on Russian subcontractors and don't deal with the foreign suppliers at all.

    The article is seems to be either circa or earlier than 2005.

    The few references I could find re. 77-1 production mentioned Duks.
    Interesting. Do you have those at hand? I've stumbled upon mentions of Vympel and R-73 but not vise versa (Duks\R-77-1).

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    Ilyushin Design Bureau celebrates 80th anniversary



    Il-476 cockpit view starts at 0:46
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    As an addition here's similar information from Butowski's book:

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    I do think that Duks can be one of the subcontractors in regards to RVV-SD\R-77-1.

    Btw, speaking of Duks, the book mentions significant difficulties with getting the RVV-MD\R-74M IS-90 seeker localized by Radiozavod as of Oct 2016. Presumably, they've started producing older Mayaks back in 2015 though.

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    I am downright shocked there are 4000 R-77's in the wild (the OG ones, mind you). Even through this is Unicornski, that cant be right, can it?

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    Butowski. so it should be taken with a giant heap of salt.

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    Those 4000's must be total production including both Izd 170 and 190. The majority however would be the 190 one as it's made export product.

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    4000 small number for R-77. even Syria I believe got R-77. Just the size of Algeria Flanker fleet make it altleast 1000 by now. India several thousands. they have now full MIG-29K.

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    the more engine get advanced the more spread around parts.
    https://www.safran-aircraft-engines....ussia-20170720
    In addition to its very important customer base, CFM also sources several million dollars in parts for both its CFM56 and LEAP product lines from Russia's VolgAero, and VSMPO. This is part of CFM's strategy to continually develop long-term relationships within the Russian aerospace industry.
    http://www.rusaviainsider.com/russia...mponents-2018/
    Russia to produce LEAP powerplant components from 2018

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    It would have been better had they chosen LEAP engine for MS-21 than PW1400 engine
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    That PW engine has Germanic parts and considering the relations pre-Ukraine. I will not be surprised there is political element in it.

    http://www.mtu.de/engines/commercial...-jets/pw1000g/
    The PurePower® engine family jointly developed and built by Pratt & Whitney and MTU powers next-generation commercial aircraft.

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    Seems fixed now. Our budget for F-5 replacement which supposed to be Su-35. Our budget is 1.140 B USD. for dunno 8-11 aircrafts + supports. 400 M USD for that which would be paid through kinda complicated counter trade. The Russians asked for our natural rubber product which in that 400M USD equals to 186,000 metric tonnes. We can fullfill it with our national production. Problem however our govt has no budget plans to actually buy the rubber from our farmers. This in turn complicate the negotiation process as we need to actually get time to buy those rubbers OR offering another product which Russia does not need.

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    Not sure if posted... May, last year at Zhukovsky:




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    Despite being so beautiful, it's sad that the wings killed the prospect of Su-47's.

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    It would be an utterly obsolete concept today.. no reason to cry over spilled milk..
    But I would love to see the cockpit of that machine..

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    Why MSphere ? I think the swept wing would make a good medium strike jet

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    For that they already have Su-34 and Su-30SM.. even Su-35S.. I don't think the S.37 would bring anything decisively new on the table.. But I'll be happy to get corrected if you think otherwise..

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    But I would love to see the cockpit of that machine..
    I'd imagine the cockpit wouldn't be much more different from any other 1980s Soviet fighter, Flanker instruments I'd imagine? The Su-47 is a demonstrator for aerodynamics and and materials only is it not?

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    I guess so.. it obviously doesn't even seem to have a HUD.. but this is a later era aircraft, I guess it could have some CRT displays like MiG-29M or Su-35 once had..

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    definition of 6G fighter. Smarter, faster and higher ceiling.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN19E24H
    Tarasenko said Russia was already working on new aircraft that would be “smarter, faster” and with increased range and a higher top ceiling range.
    “We are working on perspective projects that by some characteristics are ahead of the current perception of aviation,” he said

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    lol.... Fighter "Generations" have typically had some feature or group of features that delineated & demanded a new number.

    Having just "more" of existing features is not a new "Gen", it's just adding a plus sign to the existing one.
    "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpudmanWP
    lol.... Fighter "Generations" have typically had some feature or group of features that delineated & demanded a new number.
    Having just "more" of existing features is not a new "Gen", it's just adding a plus sign to the existing one.
    What have the current US proposals as a new feature so they dare to call them 6th Gen, then?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth-...on_jet_fighter

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    What have the current US proposals as a new feature so they dare to call them 6th Gen, then?
    The USAF has repeatedly shied away from using that moniker, or even the label "fighter". Perhaps we will get some news on the PCA AoA soon (or not). The USN NGAD program will likely differ from the USAF according to the latest news. Either way, don't expect to hear "6th generation fighter" out of the mouths of any Air Force official.

    Considering the slew of contracts, like SHiELD, a good bet would be "LA-SER".

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    Ah, nice... Su-35S and Su-27SM3:



    The color-matched radome on the latter does look really sleek.

    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere
    I guess so.. it obviously doesn't even seem to have a HUD..
    It had some kind of HUD back when it was still flying, at least:



    But my guess is that it's been gutted since. As for the rest of the cockpit, wasn't it just a "legacy" Su-27 they pretty much lifted into place?

    The concepts they exhibited elsewhere (as models at fairs etc) were Su-37-like though:


    Comparison:
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