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    Do we know what the MiG-31BM3 consists of in an upgrade?

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    Do we know what the MiG-31BM3 consists of in an upgrade?
    You mean beside plasma stealth?
    Seriously i hope they expanded the weapon integration software and some self defense suite and radar for better Situation Awareness.
    Thanks

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    Couple of Mi-35Ms to Mali:

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2876373.html

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    The most visible addition to the BM/BSM variant was the rear-view periscope added above the front cockpit canopy.[2] The MiG-31BМ's maximum detection range for air targets was increased in the upgrade to 320 km (189 for stealth). It had the ability to automatically track up to ten targets, and the latest units can track up to 24 targets and simultaneously engage up to 8 targets.[82] The on-board Argon-K computer selects four targets of highest priority, which simultaneously are engaged by long-range R-33S air-to-air missiles. Infrared search is interfaced with radar and is designed for passive search of the airspace, and for the targeting of R-40TD and R-60 thermal guidance missiles.[citation needed]

    The basic difference between earlier versions and the MiG-31BM[83][84] is that the MiG-31BM can act as a small airborne early warning aircraft. Onboard equipment provides interaction with surface-to-air missile units and can function as an airborne command post to coordinate the actions of other types of fighters with less powerful[clarification needed] radars.[15][unreliable source?]

    The flight-navigation equipment of the MiG-31 includes a complex of automatic control system SAU-155МP and sighting-navigation complex KN-25 with two inertial systems and IP-1-72A with digital computer, electronic long range navigation system Radical NP (312) or A-331, electronic system of the long-range navigation A-723. Distant radio navigation is carried out by means of two systems: CHAYKA (similar to the system of Laurent) and «Route» (similar to the system of Omega

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    Go Huskers!

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    Anteii is going to Egypt. Still surprised at the return of this previously big "customer" (lol) to Russian weaponry:

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    So who thinks the Saudi MOU will actually lead to a firm contract for the S-400? Russian perspective please (not JSR thank you).

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    They must have decided that to stop getting punked Houthi Tochkas, they need to buy from the country that made them.

    IIRC they also decidd to buy T-90 years ago, nothing came of it. Arabs and MoUs are fickle....

    On the other hand, it is rumored largely Saudi money paid for the substantial Egyptian spending spree in recent years...
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    Kinda huge overkill tho for Tochkas. The job could be adequately done by Buk. but well whatever floats their boat.

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    They must have decided that to stop getting punked Houthi Tochkas, they need to buy from the country that made them.

    IIRC they also decidd to buy T-90 years ago, nothing came of it. Arabs and MoUs are fickle....

    On the other hand, it is rumored largely Saudi money paid for the substantial Egyptian spending spree in recent years...
    They have been very slow to upgrade their existing air-defenses and are behind the UAE in the region as far as getting PAC-3s are concerned. Same with upping to a newer baseline for the system. They have a large PAC-3 order that will begin deliveries shortly, and I would assume they would upgrade radars and command and control systems (this was part of the announcements from back in May) at some point as well. Similarly, they are working on a THAAD deal, and a separate Air and Missile Defense Command and Control enterprise where Lockheed is expected to be their lead designer. How will the S400 integrate with all this (on top of western fighters, AWACS etc)? The political angle, and the fact that it would give them an opportunity to play with systems in their region (S300s and S400s with Turkey, Iran etc) and develop TTPs against them can help make some sense to this but as you rightly pointed out ME MOUs are very different than actual contracts. They tend to announce and then go dormant for a number of years.
    Last edited by bring_it_on; 6th October 2017 at 17:03.
    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    Don't worry. Day after Saudi said they wanted S-400, US agreed to sell THAAD to Saudi Arabia. I doubt it will help them anymore than the PAC-3's they have already, but its their money, they can spend it how they please.

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    So who thinks the Saudi MOU will actually lead to a firm contract for the S-400? Russian perspective please (not JSR thank you)
    my forecasts and statements are always accurate unlike yours. you can see Sudan airforce with MIG-29/Su-24/Su-25 has become active with longest joint exercises with Saudi. If you exclude North Africa. Sudan will get much more powerfull than other Afrikans.
    https://www.rbth.com/news/2016/09/21...2-tanks_631993
    Sudan to get 170 Russian T-72 tanks
    with arrival of MIG-29M2/MIG-35 i am sure things will change much faster. 5 missiles per wing.


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    Don't worry. Day after Saudi said they wanted S-400, US agreed to sell THAAD to Saudi Arabia. I doubt it will help them anymore than the PAC-3's they have already, but its their money, they can spend it how they please.
    The THAAD sale to KSA has been in the acquisition and FMS system for a number of years now, and the case was fast tracked by the WH after the State Visit there, earlier this year that was accompanied by an announcement of the system as part of the large announcement of defense systems to be sold to them over the next few years. A DSCA notification is only the next step and this will follow more negotiations between the OEM and KSA over components, price, services and support. On the PAC-3, that was also announced in 2014/15 and went through the long FMS process with the USG. I don't think KSA has had any deliveries of that system as of yet but they should be getting some soon (or must have gotten some over the last couple of months).

    As a reference, the first contract the USG awarded to Lockheed for the production lot that included interceptors meant for KSA was in late 2015 (November or December) so using the standard 24 month production lead time, they should be getting delivered soon (or must have gotten some very recently). I had posted some information earlier pertaining to the exact dates of the contract (not notification but a physical contract between USG and Lockheed) in a prior discussion with TR1. As far as their Patriot batteries are concerned, they are still legacy (not latest configuration) and utilize the PAC-2.
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    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    You say they don't have PAC 3. Others do: https://whitefleet.net/2016/07/16/ra...saudi-service/

    The order was in 2015 so they have them already. And they don't work as intended like THAAD failures to shoot down NK missiles flying over Japan.

    I don't care though. Saudi Arabia is a country I don't like so yeah.

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    The order was in 2015 so they have them already. And they don't work as intended like THAAD failures to shoot down NK missiles flying over Japan.
    The order was placed in December of 2015 by the US Government to the contractor. The deal was announced earlier (early to mid 2015), and the FMS notification was even prior to that (2014). Neither an FMS notification, nor an announcement constitutes an order only when the US Government contracts the said systems with the OEM does it constitute a firm order with a future delivery date. And you won't get deliveries of a system, train operators, establish logistic depots and modify 36 launchers months from the OEM receiving the order. It just doesn't happen that way. Usual lead time for most contracts is 18-24 months and it can take longer if the FMS case requires training, modifications to systems such as launchers, firing unit components such as radar, command and control etc.


    News Report Dated : 18 Dec 2015

    The US Department of Defense announced that defense Contractor Lockheed Martin has won more than one billion dollar US Army modification contract to build Patriot anti-ballistic missile interceptors for South Korea, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

    Defense Contractor Lockheed Martin has won more than one billion dollar US Army modification contract to build Patriot anti-ballistic missile interceptors for South Korea, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the US Department of Defense announced.

    "Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control, Grand Prairie, Texas, was awarded a $1,094,983,588 modification foreign military sales (Korea, Saudi Arabia, Qatar) contract... for Patriot Advanced Capability production (PAC-3)," the announcement on Monday stated.

    The new contract follows an enormous $5.4 billion deal that Saudi Arabia signed to buy the upgraded PAC-3 interceptor missile to replace its aging force of earlier-model Patriot missiles that was announced in July 2015.

    US Arab allies have sought to bolster their ballistic missile capabilities and anti-ballistic missile defense after the Iran nuclear agreement with the world powers.

    In May 2015, the United States and Persian Gulf Arab countries agreed to expand defense cooperation. Saudi Arabia was the world's largest importer of arms in 2014, primarily purchasing weapons from the United States. - FNA

    US Contract Announcement :

    Lockheed Martin Missile Fire Control, Grand Prairie, Texas, was awarded a $360,667,452 modification (P00029) to foreign military sales contract (UAE, Saudi Arabia, Korea) W31P4Q-14-C-0034 for PATRIOT PAC-3 modification price requirements and additions. Work will be performed in Grand Prairie and Lufkin, Texas; Camden, Arkansas; Chelmsford, Massachusetts; Huntsville, Alabama; and Anaheim, California, with an estimated completion date of Dec. 31, 2018. Fiscal 2014, 2015, and 2016 other procurement (Army) and other procurement funds in the amount of $360,667,452 were obligated at the time of the award. Army Contracting Command, Redstone Arsenal, Alabama, is the contracting activity.
    You say they don't have PAC 3. Others do
    I have seen no evidence of their PAC-3's anywhere. No announcement, no photos of launchers (they are very easy to make out..16 missiles vs 4 legacy PAC-2s). If there is evidence of Saudi PAC-3's, please show it..Saudi Arabia has been slower than others in the region (Qatar and UAE) when it comes to placing orders on its Patriot modernization plans. Some argue that both this and THAAD deal was slowed by the USG under the previous administration. Regardless, they were even late to decide to move ahead compared to others. With THAAD they will likely get it after Qatar with UAE already operating a system.

    And they don't work as intended like THAAD failures to shoot down NK missiles flying over Japan.
    Time for me to exit this discussion!!
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    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    Beautiful 9-12:



    First Mi-28UBs are ready to be handed over:







    And these look like Mi-35Ms for the FSB:



    https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1248524.html

    This year 10 S-400 regiments will be built, 2 for China, rest for Russia.
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    Im curious if there is any news regarding the new R-37 and the Kh-59MK2.

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    MiG-29M2 in Egypt!



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    Test stand no 1

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    First new production NK-32 post 1993


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    A new test stand for Nk-32-02 engines have been established at Samara. And this year PJSC Kuznetsov will deliver 6 NK-32 series 2.

    "This is much more complicated than launching a spaceship"

    Kazan GiproNIIaviaprom delivered in Samara a "test site" for Tu-160M2 engines worth several billion

    Another important for the restart of production Tu-160 technology was restored thanks to the specialists of Kazan GiproNIIaviaprom. In Samara, a testing stand of engines for Tu-160 and Tu-160M2 was put into operation, and in the future, possibly, for an entirely new strategic missile carrier. On October 6, a test of the "missile-carrying" engine began at the stand. Expert "BUSINESS Online" claims that in Russia there are almost no specialized organizations capable of creating such a science-intensive construction.


    AND AGAIN FORGOTTEN OLD

    Piggy returned from non-existence of Tu-160-technology continues to replenish. Following the restoration of the titanium assembly in Kazan, a test stand for the engines of the strategic missile carrier was restarted in a quarter of a century of idleness, and the key role in this was played by Kazan GiproNIIiAprom. The company, in fact, built a new stand. And on October 6, TASS reported, tests of updated engines NK-32 started on it.

    Let only not mislead the word "stand", giving birth to associations with something exhibition. The aviation test stand No. 1 of the Samara PJSC "Kuznetsov" is something like a separate plant. "The console stand and the test box, the administrative and household building were completely reconstructed," the Kuznetsov release was dryly informed. - Engineering networks and bench systems have been replaced by 100 percent: fuel, air, oil system, generator loading system, automated process control systems. Installation of a new exhaust shaft and an air intake shaft has been carried out. In addition, to the building where the stand was located, a new engine preparation room was added for testing with an area of ​​more than 1.2 thousand square meters. "

    "For example, let's take a platform for launching a spacecraft," he decided to explain to the correspondent of BUSINESS Online the scale of the advisor to the Prime Minister of the Republic of Tajikistan Nazir Kireev. - It's just a rocket put on the starter table, there are make-up systems, a start button, and, roughly speaking, everything - it flew. But the stand for testing the engine of the same rocket - this is a more serious construction, as much as possible saturated with instruments for measuring the parameters of the engine. This is much more complicated than, say, launching a spaceship! If at the start of the engine works only in one mode, then here - starting from small revolutions and ending with extreme regimes. That is, this building is not only large-scale, but also science-intensive. Very difficult work. " Here we note that GiproNIIaviaprom not only reconstructed the premises itself, but also manufactured, picked up and installed the equipment. The scale of the works is illustrated by the fact that they were conducted almost two years.


    MILITARY IN THE ILLUMINATION

    According to Kireev, the restoration of the stand is a whole stage in the reconstruction of the Tu-160 production. Research and development work on the NK-32 engine (and there are four on the Tu-160) Kuibyshev OKB "KMZ" Trud "began in 1970, it was tested since 1977, the series went back to 1986. But in 1993, when the Russian government decided to curtail production of the Tu-160, they stopped the production of engines. Since then, they are only being repaired in Samara. However, in 2004-2006, the developers upgraded the engine - increased its resource, but, as far as is known, before the series the case never came - had to be limited to four engines.

    The stock of Soviet strength allowed to operate the constructed NK-32 to this day, but the engine resource is not infinite (especially given the dramatically increased intensity of long-range aviation operations). The decision to resume production of NK-32 was made after Russian President Vladimir Putin visited Kuznetsov in the summer of 2014 . Investments in the project were estimated at 8 billion rubles. And next year they decided to restore the production of the Tu-160 in Kazan, which is all the more impossible without new engines.

    The creation of the engine is impossible without a test bench. And now he is certified under NK-32 series 02, and today began testing the engines. "The upgraded booth # 1 will significantly shorten the timeframe for testing our products and improve the quality of products through the introduction of a new automated system for measuring and evaluating engine parameters," Sergei Pavlinich, Deputy General Director and Managing Director of Kuznetsov, said in a bureaucratic style . "The growing volumes of state defense order and strict deadlines for execution on it require us to optimize and accelerate all production processes, and the large-scale measures taken at stand No. 1 will allow us to work in this way."

    If you translate into human language, then the stand is needed urgently. The fact is that until the end of the year and at the beginning of 2018 motor-builders are obliged to hand over the installation set of NK-32-02 - the first 6 engines to the military. "We are completing this year, I hope, the contract with the installation lot is 6 engines," Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov was quoted as saying by Interfax . - In early August, the plant starts qualifying tests, which will last almost a month and a half. After their completion, we will make a conclusion on the readiness to accept those engines that are currently in the final assembly. "

    Moreover, according to Borisov, the Defense Ministry expects to start rhythmic, that is, serial, deliveries - a contract will be concluded for 2018, 2019, 2020. And for Kuznetsov this is a stable income. Especially on NK-32 they plan to rearm (instead of NK-25) and the entire fleet of Tu-22M3 long-range, and this is the bread for the Kazan aircraft plant, which will replace it.

    Kazan Giproniaviaprom carried out a project to reconstruct the production base of PJSC "Kuznetsov"
    Kazan GiproNIIaviaprom carried out a project to reconstruct the production base of PJSC Kuznetsov


    AND FOR THE NEW "STRATEGY" TOO

    With the new engine, big plans are bound for a somewhat distant future. Now, with the appearance of the stand, the company can take full advantage not only of the topic of NK-32-02, but also of what will be behind it. Presumably, the gas generator NK-32 will be the basis for the engine (possibly it will be called NK-65) of the long-range aviation long-range aviation complex (PAK DA), which, in theory, should replace all types of long-range and strategic bombers that exist today - and Tu- 95, and Tu-22M3, and Tu-160. By the way, it will be produced at the Kazan aircraft plant. In addition, the same gas generator will be the basis for a new engine of heavy transport aircraft An-124 "Ruslan". "NK-32 is a unique engine," Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told Interfax.. - We use new design and engineering solutions. The design basis of this engine is ahead of its time, it will be used in the future ... In the future, the bomber will receive an even more new engine - a turbojet three-shaft NK-65 with a thrust of 30 tons. This is a recognizable shape of the aircraft with a deep modernization. "

    As it turns out, GiproNIIaviaprom carried out design works on the reconstruction of the whole production base of Kuznetsov, and as for the stand itself ... "Today, in general, there are few organizations that have the competence to create such a structure, and GiproNIIaviaprom not only designed the stand, but also saturate it with equipment, "emphasizes Kireev. - Boris Ivanovich ( Boris Tikhomirov - General Director of GiproNIIaviaprom - ed. ) In the most difficult years managed to keep personnel, and to him today and appeal to engines, and aircraft, and missiles ... And what they did in Samara, phenomenally ! "
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    with arrival of MIG-29M2/MIG-35 i am sure things will change much faster. 5 missiles per wing.

    Its 4 missiles per wing. Its not a Su-25 yet :-)

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    And they don't work as intended like THAAD failures to shoot down NK missiles flying over Japan.
    Hokkaido, Japan, is Northeast of NKorea, the THAAD units are in South Korea.
    Thats like saying that THAAD batteries in Romenia have failed because they coulndt intercept a ballistic missile shot from Kaliningrad that overflew Saint Petersburg in direction to Arkhangelsk.

    Cheers

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    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    2nd Il-112:

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    hmm The 9M96 family looks nice. It appears to use Free to roll tail, in conjunction with explosive based Thruster located in missile CG like Erint. Canard control for packaging efficiency. (I assume half of the missile is entirely consist of rocket motor) Such configuration, similar as Israeli Python-4 and 5 family, maximizing missile G capability and thrust.

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    What is interesting is the target speed described while 9M96 can hit a target travelling max at 1000 m/sec for 9M96E1 it is 4800 m/sec , That would correspond to BM with reentry speed of MRBM and IRBM targets.

    An Older Comparition Chart

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    So we know that the 9m96 works on ground based tests but initially had trouble on the tests on Gorshkov, right? But from last reports I heard it passed.

    So they will finally be implemented. Wonder about S-350 then? Seen picture of it and supposedly somewhere in Russian testing grounds but someone misidentified the location as Syria.

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    Actually, even before Gorshkov, it failed for many times on 20380 corvettes. Unfortunately, 9M96 is still a semi-paper-project with a doubtful reliability.

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    20380 Corvettes also had a guidance system that was woefully inadequate for such a high performance missile. And this was before Fakel QC issues.

    Egyptian Ka-52:

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