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Thread: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria

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    Does anyone much less the Russian MOD think that James Mattis signed off on a drone attack on the Russian air base in Syria ? Obviously not.

    But is there some gulf aligned terrorists with connections to some loose CIA money kicking around Syria that could have (probably) carried out this attack ? Hell yes. That still counts as US involvement.

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    The money doesn't have to come from US. SA is funding a large part of this conflict. There are others as well.

    What the heck is Egypt alignment towards the Syrian conflict?
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    Russian MoD Releases New Photos of Drones That Attacked Hmeymim Base

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    Russian military facilities in Syria were attacked by 13, rather than 31 drone fighters - a source in the RF Ministry of Defense (extended version)

    http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=470878
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    *** 10 of them attacked the airbase Khemeymim, 3 - the point of logistics in Tartus
    *** The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in the near future will show to the public the drones of militants shot down in Syria

    Moscow. 10 January. INTERFAX-AVN - In attack on Russian facilities in Syria, on January 5-6, militants used 13 aircraft-type drone drone, rather than 31, a high-ranking source in the Russian Defense Ministry told reporters on Wednesday.

    "The information that appeared about the allegedly much larger number of attacking unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) is untrue," the source said.

    According to him, "no reason to hide or minimize the number of drones that attacked Russian facilities in Syria, no."

    On January 5-6, during the attack on the airbase "Khmeimim" and the logistics center in Tartous, the militants used 13 aircraft-type drone drones. 10 of them attacked the airbase Khemeymim, 3 - the point of logistics in Tartous, the source said.


    According to him, all drones and remains of downed vehicles, planted by Russian means of electronic warfare, are collected and are now being investigated by specialists of the Russian Defense Ministry.

    "In the near future we will show them and present the first results of this work.The fact that militants are handed over such technologies of creation, guidance from a distance of tens of kilometers and controlled droning of ammunition by satellite GPS coordinates should now be a very serious concern of the entire world community," a high-ranking source in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.


    According to him, "the further distribution of technologies and software used to control such UAVs used by militants to strike at our facilities in Syria is very difficult or impossible to control in practice."

    "Thus, under the threat of a real military strike by terrorists using such drones, non-military facilities and civilians in any country of the world can turn out," the source said.
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    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    Putin slams drone attack on Russian base in Syria as provocation

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    "There were some provocateurs, but they were not Turks. We know who they are, who paid who for this provocation and what the actual sum was. As for this kind of incidents, there is nothing good about them. These are provocations aimed at destroying previous agreements," Putin said.


    He added that those actions were also aimed at undermining Russia’s relations with Turkey and Iran. "We understand it perfectly well so we will work together,"
    the Russian leader stressed.

    The unmanned aerial vehicles used in the attack on the Russian base in Syria were only disguised as homemade but were actually furnished with high-tech equipment, according to Putin.

    "As for these attacks, they were undoubtedly prepared well. We know when and where these unmanned vehicles were handed over [to the attackers], and how many of them there were. These aerial vehicles were disguised - I would like to stress that - as homemade. But it is obvious that some high-tech equipment was used," Putin said.
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    >high-tech equipment was used.
    >literally tape and RC plane parts.

    K. And if you knew so much - how come security forces didnt stop it before the fact?

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    Its pretty obvious the the high tech part is not airframe or propulsion. Its the parts inside. The way the attack was planed.
    Besides.. you do not under ANY circumstance put any "signatur" on such Drones that could be traced back to the suppliers. Would be pretty stupid.

    Me- i suspect the Moseltov branch more than anyone.
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    Seems the goal is more political than military to create rift and tension between Iran Turkey with Russia on Syria issue , the tell tale signature would lead one to believe it came from Turkey and attaching High Value Asset of Russia in Syria would be the perfect storm FIA would want to create
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    It did come from Turkey just like all those MRAPS the Iblid rebels have been driving around in in all the videos this week. $100-200k MRAPS dont magically appear out of nowhere and the same is true of factory made ordinance. The explosives in those drones were not cooked up in a bathtub. They were made in a state owned factory.

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    >high-tech equipment was used.
    >literally tape and RC plane parts.

    K. And if you knew so much - how come security forces didnt stop it before the fact?
    they want to catch the drones to see what really is coming. you still not catching the nonstop entertainment of displaying captured drones.

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    RUSSIA blames UKRAINE for drone attack

    https://www.unian.info/world/2341293...-in-syria.html

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    He only mention that the explosive also got manufactured in Ukrainian plant. I see no real accusation there.

    Plus i think PETN also used in Air to Air missile warhead. so.. those rebels could get hand from it too.

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    RESULTS OF THE SPECIAL OPERATION IN SYRIA

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    I wonder if the U.S. military rules of engagement change in Afghanistan , outside of president who does not consider Islamists to be Junior Varsity, have not changed partly because the Russians in Syria put few limits on their boys with major results?

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    Typical Syria mission load:

    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    can use something bigger XD

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    Actually they seems to have the reverse problem a they lack small size guided weaponss to be used in close proximity of friend forces or for avoid case of overkill (Iran-made drones have them instead).
    They have made a big use of OFAB 250/270, only in rare cases however you would see the Cold War era 6 bombs racks.
    That's because they operate in an opposite way to the JDAM inflation spoiled coalition.
    While they start(ed) from faraway bases, pass all over Iraq and attack pre-designated locations as their fighters were B-17 in disguise, Russians start from close locations (for Palmyra Deir-el-Zour operations they relocated choppers and relatively short legged Su-25 in Homs governatorate airbases) and usually keep their planes over SAA operation zones ready to answer to aid calls by ground troops or to engage "on the run" targets discovered in the meanwhile by their (or their allies) UAV/SF.
    Given that their aiming devices give them now enough precision to engage a target with a single bomb instead of a whole rack, better for them to carry more fuel possible and stay on operation zone more time than to have more bombs for with they have no use and above all leaving troops without air cover.

    Even in this way there are several footages of Su-24 and Flankers landing back with an odd bomb still on their pylons, meaning it was an half empty day and they doesn't had need to use all their weaponry.
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    Pls stop it Marcello.. you just makes too much sense for this thread..

    According to the usual suspects, every VKS pilot performing CAS in Syria, is dropping their payload with a blindfold..
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    It's not a whole lot is it? Compared to say an F-105 in the Vietnam War era - or even an F-100?

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    Syrian operations has made good impression on libyans and there is possibility of military base there and it will be even more profitable.

    http://www.libyanexpress.com/libyas-...ar-led-forces/
    https://www.libyaobserver.ly/news/ru...or-fabrication

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    Levsha, this kind of loading is the one that have earned them the "Thud" nickname...

    Drag of such kind of weapons disposition (a.k.a. the Christmas tree) is absolutely massive.

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    That's because they operate in an opposite way to the JDAM inflation spoiled coalition.
    While they start(ed) from faraway bases, pass all over Iraq and attack pre-designated locations as their fighters were B-17 in disguise,
    B-17´s? Pre designated locations while doing CAS? Really?

    Russians start from close locations (for Palmyra Deir-el-Zour operations they relocated choppers and relatively short legged Su-25 in Homs governatorate airbases) and usually keep their planes over SAA operation zones ready to answer to aid calls by ground troops or to engage "on the run" targets discovered in the meanwhile by their (or their allies) UAV/SF.
    In what particular way is this diferent to any combat CAS mission performed by the USAF, or the RAF, or the Adla?
    There´s a very good reason why ROVER is such a massive presence across the western air armada in the Midle East.
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    B-17´s? Pre designated locations while doing CAS? Really?
    In Marcellogo's mind, the use of precision guided munitions is somehow inferior to the use of radar/GPS aided dumb bomb releases and the TLAR method, and apparently doesn't realize that JDAM and SDB both come with laser guided versions as needed, not to mention the traditional paveway series, and newer viper strike.

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    B-17´s? Pre designated locations while doing CAS? Really?
    In what particular way is this diferent to any combat CAS mission performed by the USAF, or the RAF, or the Adla?
    There´s a very good reason why ROVER is such a massive presence across the western air armada in the Midle East.
    I think Marcellogo is talking about the SVP-24 attack system, and how super accurate it is allegedly supposed to be. He also seems to be unaware that such nav-attack systems have been deployed on other country's aircraft since the 1960s - the so-called Continuously Computed Impact Point (CCIP) and Continuously Computed Release Point (CCRP) which are to be found on such aircraft as the F-16 and A-10. Such bombing systems improve dumb-bomb accuracy for the USAF - but not to the point were the USAF (and the Russian AF) can avoid using guided munitions for complete pin-point accuracy: JDAM, KAB-500S etc, they still have to be used.
    Last edited by Levsha; 19th January 2018 at 20:29.

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    When is F-16 and A-10 1960s era?. They operationally deployed in 1980s. A little later than Su-24 .

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