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Thread: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria

  1. #7291
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    I wonder if Iron Dome can intercept SAMS?
    "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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    @Sens

    A S-125? Less than 4 miles from Ramat David? Wow!
    That's a blast!

    And they said it was a SA-17 instead?
    A trailer or a C&C vehicle or instead just a maskirovka maquette as someone looking at released video said?

    Let's allow me to state that reading all these report together made me sure of just one thing: they are still in a state of self-denial about what happened.
    So they try, I don't know if willingly or as a mental reflex, to present things as they were fatalities, dirty tricks from the enemies, human errors etc, etc, etc.

    As a paradox if what they say as a form of self denial would be true that would result in a whole s...load of bad news for them.

    10.000ft too high of a quote for engage Syrian air defences?
    20 missiles of three different types getting all together on the same target of opportunity, making part of a strike package of 8 planes?
    Just near your own main base in the north of the country?

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    Anti-aircraft complexes repulsed the attack

    https://iz.ru/707929/aleksei-ramm-ni...otrazili-ataku
    As Izvestiya was told by a source in the Syrian General Staff, on February 10, the air defense forces of the country had to repel a massive attack using air-launched cruise missiles. The main targets of the Syrian antiaircraft guns were not aircraft, but air-to-surface missiles launched outside the country's airspace. This information was confirmed to representatives of the Russian military department and the military-industrial complex.

    "As a result of the first raid, eight of the 11 Israeli missiles were destroyed, and the second attack of seven missiles killed five," the Syrian officer explained. - The only airplane that entered the airspace of the country was shot down by our anti-aircraft missile system.


    The interlocutor of "Izvestia", however, refused to specify exactly how the SAM was hit by the multipurpose F-16I Sufa fighter that fell on the territory of Israel. He also did not confirm or deny the information that it was a S-200 SAM, but noted that during the raid on February 10, all Syrian calculations operated independently.
    According to the officer, this would not have been achieved without the assistance of Russian specialists who restored the technical readiness of the S-125, S-200 and Buk anti-aircraft missile systems, and also re-trained the Syrian military.

    The February 10 incident was not the first in the last few days. This was reported to Izvestiya by a source in the General Staff of Syria, information was confirmed by interlocutors in the Russian military department.

    - On February 7, the Israeli Air Force aircraft violated Syria's state border and launched eight air-to-surface missiles at the building of the National Science Center in the city of Salamia in the province of Khama, the Izvestia source said. - Then the missiles were destroyed by the "Pantsir-S", S-200 and "Buk" complexes. The remaining two fell in the area of ​​the National Science Center, without causing significant damage.

    According to Israeli Defense Ministry officials, the situation worsened after around four o'clock in the morning on Saturday, February 10, the Israeli military spotted an Iranian drone flying from Jordan. The reconnaissance UAV was intercepted by the attack helicopter Apache. The Israeli Air Force launched an air raid to destroy the station for controlling the drone. She was in the depths of Syria in the desert - not far from the city of Palmyra.

    During the raid the Syrian air defense forces resisted stubbornly. One of the Israeli F-16I Sufa was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile (presumably, the S-200 complex), but the pilot and the weapon operator had time to catapult. One of the crew was seriously injured. This was the first since 2006, the case of the destruction of the Israeli aircraft with enemy fire.

    As former Lieutenant-General Alexander Gorkov, commander of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Russian Federation, told Izvestiya that the air defense of the Arab Republic showed high efficiency in repelling the attacks on February 7 and 10.

    - Israel used to strike cruise missiles. These are very complex goals, performing a flight at a low altitude, "the expert said. - To intercept them, not only prepared calculations are required, but also centralized, as well as a high level of management. Of the 26 targets, it was intercepted 19. It turns out that the Syrian air defense demonstrated an efficiency close to 0.8. And this is a very high figure.

    All in all, Syria's air defense forces have eight divisions of S-200 air defense systems, supplied from the USSR, and about 20 Buk complexes of various modifications. The last major batch of eight "Bukov" versions of M2E was transferred to Damascus in 2011. "Buk" air defense system allows to hit air targets at a range from 3 to 45 km and at altitudes from 15 m to 25 km.
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    I wonder if anything can be done to the S-200 to increase target engagement capacity. The only fix i know of is to have new engagement radar and use the 5N62 as CW illuminator instead.

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    Oh my, ypu try to compare what reported by Sens with what was written by Izvestia and reported by Austin and you get everything and the contrary of everything ...

    Let's add my own contribution of reports from 150th AD regiment and I think only possible explanation is that all those report from the ground describe just one facet of a protracted air battle involving different locations.

    So Sens report both the findings of missiles in Israel &Lebanon that the (quite discording) version from their press, Russians describe what happened in T4 only (hence the attribution of the downing to S-200) where they have troops, people of Suweida just what happened at their own air base.
    Sum them up and you still will not get a coherent picture but surely some more hints about how things went.
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    I wonder if Iron Dome can intercept SAMS?
    Israel explains Arrow intercept of Syrian SAM

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    Here is the link....

    Israel explains Arrow intercept of Syrian SAM

    https://www.defensenews.com/land/201...of-syrian-sam/

    Time to deploy Arrow/IronDome on the Northeastern border?
    Last edited by SpudmanWP; 14th February 2018 at 16:37.
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    the point is Arrow/Iron dome cant deal effectively with this problem SA2 is used merely light up airdefences while rest of more mobile sams for actual work.

    Advanced SAMs are sold in Middleast and I am sure they will observe flight patterns of Israel airforce like what kind of weopons are under F-16 wings. It is far easy to modernize SAM network than fighter. plus countries that operate aircraft similar to Israel
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...issile-system/
    Russia: Egypt received anti-ballistic missile system

    The Russian official pointed out Egyptian experts are currently being trained to operate the system adding that “negotiations are currently underway to send additional patches” the Sputnik news agency reported.
    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...des-syrian-war
    Egypt Picks Sides in the Syrian War

    than there is MIG29SM. easily most acceleration fighter, every one can maintain it whether its Serbian/Iranian or Chinese. so quantity of MIG29S can easily be boosted in Syria. the stronger the radar network the more effective MIG29S for interception. there is always Kh31PM for dealing with SAMs.

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    A SAM cannot tell what kind of weapon a fighter has on the wing.
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    that is 1960s and 70s when SAM barely has range of 20km and radars were primitive
    integrating strategic SAM to the whole country level protection from all kind of threats (even Civilian airline traffic and UAV) and training thousands of people to maintain and operate it. that SAM get constant updates both in hardware and software to deal with emerging threats. the host country will have great confidence in long term viability of the supplying nation for implementing such complex project.
    it is constant high level meetings. by this Russian will have good idea about Rafale and other exported equipment in region that fly around.

    http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCont...n-with-Ru.aspx

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    SAM radars, especially the long-range ones, do not have the resolution to detect the difference between stores on a wing.
    "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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    They will exactly know the rcs of fighter under various external loads. what are those supercomputers. All these data is part of whole integrated network of SAM system.

    how you do simulated computer anti missile exercise unless know all the characteristics like direction, speed, altitude and rcs of attack missile.


    http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplo...ulating-sudden
    China, Russia wrap up anti-missile drills simulating ‘sudden and provocative attacks’
    computer technology is moving so fast.
    http://www.scmp.com/news/china/socie...earch-facility
    “Our plan is that by 2020, or maybe as soon as next year, to achieve ‘quantum supremacy’ with calculation power one million times to all existing computers around the world combined,” Pan was quoted as saying by Anhui Business Daily, which is run by the provincial government.

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    Dear God.. pls stop.
    "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."

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    that's why you don't reply JSR.

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    @Marcelogo

    As a paradox if what they say as a form of self denial would be true that would result in a whole s...load of bad news for them.

    10.000ft too high of a quote for engage Syrian air defences?
    20 missiles of three different types getting all together on the same target of opportunity, making part of a strike package of 8 planes?
    Just near your own main base in the north of the country?
    well said

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    The "fairly muted response" by the IDF involved attacks against three Syrian air defence batteries, four targets involving Iranian forces deployed in Syria, plus and five other unspecified targets.
    Yeah sure...it's a miracle Syria has anything left after all the Israeli bragging


    Potato-man
    Time to deploy Arrow/IronDome on the Northeastern border?
    Time to deploy SAM's in Lebanon?


    JSR
    it is constant high level meetings. by this Russian will have good idea about Rafale and other exported equipment in region that fly around.

    http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCont...n-with-Ru.aspx
    Interesting
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    S-125 was wrong it was a Russia9K317E "Buk-M2E" [17]

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthflanker View Post
    that's why you don't reply JSR.
    Did Russia sell the JSR AI (or A-low-I) bot to the Chinese in the past month or so?

    He seems to be pushing the Chinese product almost exclusively now.

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    Numerous reports about the repelled attack in US controlled Kusham area a few days ago are saying more than 200 Syrian militia and Russians killed in the bombing. Reports of Russian deaths are now mounting with some reporting dozens killed.

    My prediction over the next few years:

    Now that the US has well and truely secured its new permanent enclave in Syria, I predict 3 years before the area contains a major army and airbase and US through its proxy force begins expanding its controlled territory in Syria. This will be accompanied by THAAD systems and IADS.

    Russia’s been too busy patting its own back to realise that US has switched approach to regime change and is playing the slow, insidious game Russia tried in Ukraine by taking and expanding territory. US doesn’t need regime change if it just takes the areas of Syria it wants (oil rich areas).

    In a few years US will not just have cheap oil by installing a freindly government (plan a) it’ll have free oil by having a directly US controlled government in the oil rich parts of the country.

    Russia (after already testing US’s resolve in defending its newly claimed territory and being thoroughly spanked) has no response to the new US strategy. They cannot take areas directly and openly protected by US with force (just not capable). Russian calls for sanctions would prompt hysterical laughing fits in the UN. Unlike Ukraine, Russia can’t pull the NATO trigger at any time to stop the US expansion in its tracks.

    Let’s see.

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    Did Russia sell the JSR AI (or A-low-I) bot to the Chinese in the past month or so?

    He seems to be pushing the Chinese product almost exclusively now.
    first understand technology before reply. Its Russian engines and Air defence systems that are exported to China and incorporated into there advance products so Russia has good idea about the aerodynamics and weights of there products and hence materials.. Chinese are leaders in supercomputers and quantum technology.
    They did the advanced anti-missile exercise using computers.
    Chinese do far less tests of hit to kill missile in space and still hit the target. it means highly advance computers and manufacturing. there is no flaw in the process.
    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20.../#.WoWnc0xFzIU
    China says test of midcourse missile interceptor successful
    Plus J-20 and certain extent T-50 will enter service with far less prototypes and still aerodynamically and materials technology wise far advanced than F-35. again influence of computing technology.

    Numerous reports about the repelled attack in US controlled Kusham area a few days ago are saying more than 200 Syrian militia and Russians killed in the bombing. Reports of Russian deaths are now mounting with some reporting dozens killed.
    You should carefull about reports as those various leaks create pressure from bottom up on Putin to act tough and justify whole transformation of Middleast and that may be the reason for associating every casualty with that one strike. regarding rest of predications you will be surprised.

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    Interesting
    yes it should be able to shot down Rafale in quick moment incase there is rogue pilot in Rafale against Egyptian government. just like what happened to Turkish F-16s.

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    Hopefully, Erdogan does not Screw up your big plans ooshiny
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    Maybe US will plan regime change in Turkey instead.

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    Maybe US already tried that.. but failed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OooShiny View Post
    Numerous reports about the repelled attack in US controlled Kusham area a few days ago are saying more than 200 Syrian militia

    Let’s see.
    Quote Originally Posted by haavarla View Post
    Maybe US already tried that.. but failed.
    Everyone is now dumber for having read these...

    Every time you think this thread has hit rock bottom, someone steps up and reaches for a new low.

    Mods- can we rename this thread "Russia move tac air troops to Syria.... a spurs dozens of stupid conspiracy theories, uses of questionable sources, and political rants"

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    And, it is now time to close this thread, let's stop with the politics and flag waving right here, gents.
    Regards,

    Frank

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