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    Sadly my own suspision seems to have been confirmed this morning. The autopilot would have flown the aircraft to Duseldorf dispite any theries of decompression. Shortly after reaching 39000 ft, a new heading and slow rate of decent seems to have been selected by one of the pilots overriding the autopilot. My thoughts are with the passengers and crew caught up in this horrific event.
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    Certainly sounds like the co-pilot locked the Captain out of the cockpit - if a person has a suicide wish why do they also feel it right they take 150 other innocent people along with them? Just jump off a bridge instead...
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    I agree Bob.
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    Yep Suicide, agree with BOB, go do it where it doesn't effect others..

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    Suicide committed by himself, would hardly get a mention in his local rag. However, by taking all those other unfortunate people with him, he has gained World Wide publicity, and his name will go down in the History books of Aviation.
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    Information is being updated directly from the German Prosecutor's office. Andreas Lubitz can presumably be described as a mass murderer. The aircraft impacted at 700kph.
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    Charlie

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomcatViP View Post
    That low?

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    But you might be right. Searching for crash field under clouds cover. The 135 take a path along the mountain ridge (hence looking as if it flew from Nice for observer on the ground) and the fighter a more direct approach following the A320 trajectory.

    The 135 might then have stayed airborne as a radio relay for the advanced frwd base for the rescue team the time proper comunication devices were brought in.

    Ok it fits now.
    That seems logical to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charliehunt View Post
    Andreas Lubitz can presumably be described as a mass murderer. The aircraft impacted at 700kph.
    I wouldn't have thought there would be any doubt that the thing was a mass murderer - deliberately crashing an aircraft with 150 people on board must surely count as murder.
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    Gives the airlines an awful conundrum.
    Lock the door to keep nutters out or lock the door and keep nutters in?

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    Just read that Easyjet is changing its systems so that there are always two crew members on the flight deck.
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    He is nothing less than a vile murderer.

    He murdered 149 innocent victims.

    That's how he should be remembered.


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    The people I feel sorry for are not just the victims, but for his parents, they went along with the other victims to morn the loss of their son to find he was the cause and now have been separated from the group. They will have to live with this, the feeling of guilt and the responsibility for the 149 deaths. Such a waste and such a tragedy, one hopes this means the doors are removed.

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    I have to say that I strongly disagree with the conclusion thrown here and there in the press.

    Nothing factual to conclude that such case have happened. With such an horrific scenario I would have expected ppl to be more cautious. Anybody had a thought for his mother or his father before writing down such assertion in the press?

    The door locking system, as explained above, can be put on manual LOCK that will hold and mute the buzz for 5 to 20 min depending on the selected preset Brice Robin, the main source of those information for the press, never mention the Buzz sound that would have been eared if the Copilot recycled the LOCK to deny any entries.

    The fact that, as stated, we can hear the copilot breathing, does not means that the copilot was not incapacitated. Unconscious or paralyzed means that you are still breathing.
    Remember that in the Batteries theo for MH370 we have seen that a runway will result in paralysis (I have pushed the fact that one o the pilot was still able to steer back the plane using the rudder before being fully incapacitated - the blood circulation converging on that hypo).

    Remember the TBM900 accident with its pilot and passenger sighted unconscious leaned frwd on the flight console from Miami to Jamaïca?

    German Pilot association should take the bull by the horns There is no solids converging argumentation to conclude for a suicide. And what is that idea that you will pull yourself through 8 long minute facing death before dying? Suicidal person doesn't submit themselves thought dire agonies. They seek for comfortable death. He could have dived straight into the sea or to the ground with a steeper angle. Why that shallow? Why no communication to the cabin, the radio, with the pilot knocking at the door or no adrenaline rush (crying, screaming etc...).

    And then the passengers are supposed to have watched calmly the pilot tying to break through the cockpit door without interacting ?!!!


    IT DOES NOT FIT.
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    Easy jet have already announced that if a member of crew has to leave the cockpit, then someone else must take their place until they return, in other words never leave a single crew member in sole charge.

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    TomcatViP, to be polite your written outburst helps nothing.

    This is a very recent event and the press really have had no chance to spin anything. They are only reporting what the official prosecutor are telling them. Whilst it is right to be sceptical and I think it is right to keep an open mind I think it is best to let the air accident investigators to do their job before we start declaring "it does not fit"!

    This is a very unpleasant accident that hits close to home, I myself have flown that route and I feel slightly squeamish that such an incident could happen.

    Please I am not taking a pop at you but let's see what the investigation brings up if anything else for the families sake.
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    Duplication going on here - merge it with the Commercial thread mods?
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    So that's what the Commercial Aviation forum looks like.....I really like what they've done with the place!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lincoln 7 View Post
    Suicide committed by himself, would hardly get a mention in his local rag.
    From my days in journalism it was an unwritten rule not to report on suicides...unless the person was prominent or it was done in a public manner/place...even then it was not dwelled upon.
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    I can't help but feel that the prosecutor is being a bit premature, but apart from that I thought that at least two people always had to be on the flight deck? Not necessarily two pilots but two people, if only to make sure that the PIC didn't fall asleep!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedaykin View Post
    TomcatViP, to be polite your written outburst helps nothing.
    Outburst is rather pejorative. I and others here took the time to underline specific points with arguments.

    And by the way, close to home is quite short for an argumentation.

    And remember, there is not known action AFTER the plane was set in a dive. Nothing in the 8 min long descent. I am sorry, but it does not fit (Ok, I give up with the capital letters)
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    For me the curious part is that there isn't any sound from the co-pilot, and that even up to the point of impact we are informed that his breathing was regular.

    If it was a deliberate act, then I'd expect some level of "excitement" or "anticipation" to increase the heart rate and therefore his breathing as the ultimate moment arrived.

    Whether it is an incident induced incapacitation that has resulted in loss of awareness and therefore no change in breathing, or the co-pilot has in an act of suicide (as well as mass murder) taken something rendering his own incapacitation. Sadly that is something that we may never know for sure?

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    TomcatVIP:

    Hi! I tend to go along your lines. It's a bit premature to just speculate on what might had happened. What if when they find the FDR... & other details come to the surface?? As far as I know we 're only getting half of the equation. Anyone in here knows the Israeli cabin protocol on commercial flights??
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    I completely agree. This is why I was astonished by "revelations" from the Fr prosecutor.

    Sry if I might have myself gone beyond the facts in hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomcatViP View Post
    And then the passengers are supposed to have watched calmly the pilot tying to break through the cockpit door without interacting ?!!!
    Have you actually heard the news? Indeed the passengers are to be heard on this tape. It wrenches my heart out imagining what went on on board this plane. Perhaps you can explain why the plane went into a descent?

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    Hey, Peter, this exactly what I am saying. At 3kft/min and with a Pilot trying to break through the cockpit door, anybody should have a hard time believing that the passengers would have stand still. So yes, some went through horrific moments. This is what I am saying. Reading French, I am able to understand in details the comments of the prosecutor. I found dubious that he is explaining that the passengers can be heard screaming only at the last second before "having a quick death".

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    In complement to djcross:

    Das Bild unvailed that the pilot suffered depression in the past. Evidence collected might have been some medical treatment (yes I am speculating here). Those pills might have something linked with the incident.

    Notice that there was report of a slowing down in the flow of the conversation b/w each pilot just prior the Pilot left the cockpit with a noticeable attenuation in the tone of the copilot (Please Refer to the prosecutor own declaration bellow).


    Brice Robin: "We have the transcript of the last thirty minutes of the flight in full during the first twenty minutes the drivers communicate normally, cheerful, courteous There is nothing going wrong..."

    Brice Robin: "We hear the captain prepare briefing landing in Dusseldorf, responses copilot seem laconic. We can hear the Flight officer asking this second to take command.".

    Brice Robin: "We hear both the sound of a seat back and a door that closes|...]"

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    Translation via Google Translate (slightly edited)
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