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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmalaya View Post
    I tell you something, none of your designs will have any utility in the A2A role you described. A UCAV is generally considered to be a fast jet, not a prop driven UAV with some weapon release capability. The upside down speedboat one looks interesting, but as with so much posted here, it exists only on YouTube.

    The UK has been actively developing advanced UCAV technology since the early 90s and even they aren't talking about their designs in an A2A role. You can't just pull this whole neural network thing out of nowhere.

    It's plausible that a new fighter with new sensors and engines will be built, but it's not going to have drones from the movie Stealth flying on its wing.
    Ofcourse none of the above mentioned proven UCAV platforms will be used in the A2A role. They are primarily for A2G asymetric warfare. They were mentioned to show where Turkey is currently at with UCAV platforms.

    The concept designs however are jet powered and can be used for the roles mentioned.

    Turkey intends to use the UCAV's as mere "air ships". Their role would be to keep air to air missiles in the air and in close proximity to the TF-X. The TF-X would be capable of launching and guiding missiles to their target from the TF-X

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    I can understand the US UK/France feeling confident in that kind of approach. Unlike Turkey, they have pedigree beyond building someone else's jets or relatively unsophisticated UAVs (no offence intended).

    What you talk about in terms of connectivity, AI and sophistication of LO technology, is not something you will just buy from the above countries.

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    Thats why we have to wait and see if the Turkish Aerospace Industry engineers will succeed or bungle the project up. Lack of experience will not necessarily in and of itself mean that TAI will not succeed. It just means its much harder but not impossible. Turkey has many Universities with alot of research into AI, Artificial Neural Networks and Low Observability technologies.

    Also Turkey had zero experience with indigenous aerial platforms during the past 10 years. TAI has however been able to develop a MALE class UAS, trainer/COIN aircraft etc. Roketsan had zero experience with precision strike missiles 10 years ago- they were however able to develop the SOM Stand-off cruise missile and now this missile is being certified on the F-35.

    You might want to read up on the METU Center for Image Analysis (OGAM), Turkey. See https://ogam.metu.edu.tr/en/about

    And have a look at the ASELSAN Research Centre which conducts research on AI etc

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    Russia cooperating with Turkish Space Agency- Joint projects in pipeline

    Turkey, Russia to Enhance Cooperation in the Field of Space Technologies
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    20:19 06.10.2017(updated 00:19 07.10.2017)

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2...s-cooperation/

    Turkey is set to develop its space agency following the passing of a draft law by the Turkish Parliament. According to some experts, Turkey will collaborate with Russia, China and India in order to move faster and more efficiently in this field.

    Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim recently announced that a draft law on the establishment of the Turkish Space Agency, which was submitted to the Turkish Parliamentary Commission for Industry, Commerce, Energy and Technology in February last year, was passed during the current legislative period.

    In the event that the space agency, which has been in discussion in Turkey for a long time, will be created, Turkish organizations and institutions functioning in the field of space and aviation technologies will be coordinated from one center.

    Individuals and legal entities can develop and design space and aviation devices and systems, create space stations and carry out other activities within the space industry.

    In an interview with Sputnik, astronomer and professor Ethem Derman said that the construction of a Turkish space agency is a very good idea for the country.

    “I hope the process of creating this structure will be well planned. Turkey really needs a space agency. Recently, the state opened a large research laboratory in which, as planned, 1,000 engineers will work. In addition, an institute was created, where the process of creating and testing satellites will take place,” Derman said.

    He further said that a large amount was spent on the implementation of this project and now all these organizations will be united under the roof of the Turkish Space Agency.

    Noting that Turkey can cooperate with Russia in the field of space development Derman said that it could be very useful for Turkey to take the first steps in the development of space technologies together with the developed country in this area.

    “Cooperation with Russia, China or India will allow us to move faster and more efficiently in this matter,” the astronomer said.

    The head of the space technology department at Istanbul Technical University, Alim Rustem Aslan, also believes that the creation of a space agency is a necessary step for Turkey.

    “It is important for Turkey that this project is implemented as soon as possible. If you want to become an advanced country in the world, then you need to strengthen your position in the space field, you need to develop technologies and export them,” Aslan said.

    He further said that today, almost all data exchange is done through space. Thus, space technology is directly reflected in everyday life.
    “If you are not able to ensure the development of these technologies at the proper level, then you become dependent for this on other states. Therefore, there is a serious need in Turkey for the creation of a space agency. I think this will play a very big role in the development of the country,” Aslan said.

    According to the expert, space technologies cannot be developed without active interaction with other states. This requires hard work, joint initiatives and large investments.

    The leading researcher of the Institute of Space Research of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Natan Eismont, commenting on Turkey's space exploration program, said that Turkey has participated in cosmic research in cooperation with Russia.

    “Russia has a telescope in Turkey and is successfully working on this telescope. But, it's another thing to send a spacecraft somewhere, like to another planet or, at least, beyond the atmosphere of the earth. That is an achievement,” Eismont said.

    Talking about whether Russia is interested in developing space technologies with Turkey’s participation, Eismont said, “Of course yes, as with any other country because, in fact, all these activities are initially international. It is important to use the competences and the most advanced technologies of any country.”

    He further said that Turkey also has some really good specialists and scientists who are engaged in fields that are necessary for the development and installation of instruments on space vehicles.

    Oleg Vaisberg, chief researcher at the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences, also believes that Turkey could implement Russia's experience in space technology.

    “Currently we are cooperating with Turkey, so of course our experience can be useful. Even after all, some of our experience has been and remains useful to the US. Therefore, our country can provide assistance. For example, the Chinese also started out first by copying the Russian decisions. Therefore, I think that such a cooperation is possible and would be very useful,” Vaisberg said.

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    Hmmm...

    Will Turkey ask for a refund @Bayar? Because this article looks pretty bad for your claims.

    Can Russian speakers translate the contents of the article? I used google translate but that is often inaccurate.

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    Turkey has achieved its objectives with the S-400 deal. I'll leave it at that.

    Put it this way the TF-X will be the only combat aircraft that would have been developed to evade the S-400, Eurosam SAMP/T and the PAC-3- as Turkey will have access to all 3 systems. ASELSAN's KORAL EW Systems also have an impressive database of signals intelligence for this purpose.

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    Can Russian speakers translate the contents of the article? I used google translate but that is often inaccurate.
    Honestly, this article smells like BS. It says that, according to some "anonymous source" of this tabloid, Russia has refused to give to Turkey some FOF "passwords"(sic!). Looks like the author watched too much of spy-movies and completely don't understand WTF he's talking about.

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    Honestly, this article smells like BS. It says that, according to some "anonymous source" of this tabloid, Russia has refused to give to Turkey some FOF "passwords"(sic!). Looks like the author watched too much of spy-movies and completely don't understand WTF he's talking about.
    Well.. It depends. I'm quite sure the manufactors of S-400 have its software systems(coding) secured well enough, with copy right, passwords and what not.
    But that does not mean Turkey Can't use the S-400 as it is intended. Right?

    Just like LM does not gived away its coding to other allies on the F-35 systems. A close enough comparison

    Turkey is far from any Ally towards Russia. A Polk of S-400 will not change that.
    Last edited by haavarla; 7th October 2017 at 23:05.
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    what are the odds that it could be the same (pwd)?

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    This article is talking on some "FOF passwords", not software code. You both simply don't understand - what you're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar View Post
    This article is talking on some "FOF passwords", not software code. You both simply don't understand - what you're talking about.
    Can you translate further? Does the article not imply that some electronics like the S-400 IFF system is a 'black box' that Turkey can not tamper with/open?

    Российская сторона отказалась выполнить просьбу Турции передать ей доступ к внутренним системам зенитно-ракетных комплексов С-400, который Москва готовится передать Анкаре согласно заключенному контракту. Об этом «Газете.Ru» рассказал источник, знакомый с ходом российско-турецких переговоров.


    «Все электронные коды и «начинку» мы им не передаем. Согласно договоренности, техническое обслуживание будет осуществлять только Россия, а они эти системы вскрывать не будут», — рассказал собеседник «Газеты.Ru».

    Системы радиолокационного опознавания «свой-чужой» на поставленные в Турцию ЗРК будет также устанавливать российская сторона, добавил источник «Газеты.Ru».

    «Мы не пошли на их требования допустить их к внутренностям С-400, поэтому на них будет установлена система «Свой-чужой» российского производства. Они настаивали на том, чтобы им отдали пароли и контроль, но мы отказались», — рассказал он.
    What does this say?

    There also seems to be this article.
    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20170915/1504877110.html

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    Unofficial reports that Turkey is now also discussing the purchase of 2 x Batteries of Patriot Advanced Capability – 3 (PAC-3) interceptors from Lockheed Martin.

    This will mean Turkey will field 4 different High Altitude Air Defence Systems:

    (1) S-400- Contract already signed. Funds transfered.
    (2) MBDA ASTER 30-SAMP/T- Co-production Contract Signed.
    (3) Roketsan HISAR-U- Indigenous development. Low & Medium Altitude Segments already developed and tested. High Altitude system development efforts nearing completion.
    (4) Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3)- Co-production being discussed with Lockheed Martin.

    Some systems may be used to provide Air Cover for Turkey's bases in Qatar and Somalia.
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    @Bayar .... Why did I open a new thread fot missiles if you still post everything here? Is it really that difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    Unofficial reports that Turkey is now also discussing the purchase of 2 x Batteries of Patriot Advanced Capability – 3 (PAC-3) interceptors from Lockheed Martin.

    This will mean Turkey will field 4 different High Altitude Air Defence Systems:

    (1) S-400- Contract already signed. Funds transfered.
    (2) MBDA ASTER 30-SAMP/T- Co-production Contract Signed.
    (3) Roketsan HISAR-U- Indigenous development. Low & Medium Altitude Segments already developed and tested. High Altitude system development efforts nearing completion.
    (4) Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3)- Co-production being discussed with Lockheed Martin.

    Some systems may be used to provide Air Cover for Turkey's bases in Qatar and Somalia.
    Turkish-Missiles - https://forum.keypublishing.com/show...rkish-Missiles


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    Deino, some guys are posted Russian sources on here about the C-400 and I was merely responding. Im happy for MODS to transfer them to Missiles section

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    Baykar of Turkey delivers a further 8 Armed UCAV's to Turkish Air Force this month bring total this year to 38.

    A further 8 Bayraktar TB2's to be delivered in January 2018.

    Each Bayraktar TB2 can carry 2 Roketsan MAM-L + 2 MAM-C missiles.


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    Further details emerge of the Turkish Aerospace Industries HurJet Advanced Trainer and Light Attack Craft.



    HÜRJET Specifications

    Weapons Payload: 3 Ton
    Speed: Mach 1.2 (1470 km/h)
    Altitude : 45.000 Feet
    Cockpit : All Glass Digital
    Engine : Dual Engine (Licence produced Ivchenko-Progress AI-222 derivative with Turkish modifications)

    The HurJet will be modified into a Jet Powered UCAV that will be networked with TF-X.

    Maiden Flight: Mid-2018 (All Avionic sytems, Mission Computer etc have already been developed under the Hurkus Program)
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    The Hurjet as a UCAV working in pair with TF-X!!?? C'mon, did someone just cancelled all the Stealth requirements? Otherwise as a target drone, yes but you can certainly find better for less

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    Turkish Aerospace Industries introduces the TAI ANKA-2





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    New photos of TAI's TF-X released.




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    ... The HurJet will be modified into a Jet Powered UCAV that will be networked with TF-X.
    What is the source for this?

    Bayar, seriously, please stop taking comments on other forums or onsourced claims and present them here as if they are official explanations, plans or projects. Your making fool of yourself and even worse, our country.

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    I had read something similar to this: http://en.c4defence.com/Agenda/unman...the-way/2742/1

    But hey im not going to argue with an expert. Im happy to stand corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    Further details emerge of the Turkish Aerospace Industries HurJet Advanced Trainer and Light Attack Craft.



    HÜRJET Specifications

    Weapons Payload: 3 Ton
    Speed: Mach 1.2 (1470 km/h)
    Altitude : 45.000 Feet
    Cockpit : All Glass Digital
    Engine : Dual Engine (Licence produced Ivchenko-Progress AI-222 derivative with Turkish modifications)

    The HurJet will be modified into a Jet Powered UCAV that will be networked with TF-X.

    Maiden Flight: Mid-2018 (All Avionic sytems, Mission Computer etc have already been developed under the Hurkus Program)
    Dear Bayar, could you give me the source for maiden flight of hurjet as mid-2018? At what stage of development this plane? Is it a licence production or an indigenous project? It reminds me chinese L-15 as we know there is too much ukrainian input at that project. As i wonder how could you give such an information as it is already an ready to fly aircraft. As far as i see from the pictures they have nothing common with hurkus as design wise, materials for strenght should be more advanced, aerodynamics, landing gear, canopy, fly by wire system and lots of work should be done and it takes minimum 4-5 years of development and for mastering the manufacturing it takes at least 1-2 years for organising the production line and personnel education. For this reason one more time please be realistic and share the sources of your claims, thanks.

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    @medal64- A joint-venture between Turkish Aerospace Industries and Sierra Nevada Corporation of the US (named "Freedom Aircraft") developed a clean sheet trainer aircraft for the US T-X Trainer tender dubbed the "Freedom Trainer".

    Think of the T-50 Golden Eagle developed by Korea Aerospace Industries with technical support from Lockheed Martin.

    We can expect TAI to use technology developed for Hurkus-C turbo-prop trainer/COIN aircraft (which was modified for the TAI/SNC Freedom Trainer) being used in the HurJET.

    Thus, the fly-by-wire, mission computer, avionics, glass digital cockpit etc has already been developed. It would merely need to be modified further for the Turkish program.

    P.S. Hur in Turkish means freedom. So even the name is analogous to the TAI/SNC Freedom Trainer.

    E.g. The HurKus Turbo-prop COIN aircraft has been armed and deliveries are expected early 2018.
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    Dear friend, SNC-TAI aircraft is developed for U.S airforce tender and any joint jenture is mentioned for SNC-TAI trainer to be modified as Hurjet for TurAF needs and start serial production in Turkey. Even if it is accepted its modifications, permissions and serial production takes 3-4 years. Please first submit your sources than your claims would be more serious.
    Temel Kotil is just mentioned such a project is just started in TAI with their own sources and it has any customers yet, in the advanced stages of development sure it may find some customers but not yet, thanks.
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    10.08.2017 18:01
    Hürjet Movement from TAI
    http://en.c4defence.com/Archive/hurj...rom-tai/4754/1

    Temel Kotil, Chief Executive Officer of Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI / TAI), announced that they are working on a jet engine training aircraft named Hürjet. Kotil said that company started to work on the jet engine version of Hürkuş turboprop engine turbine aircraft produced for Turkish Armed Forces. Kotil stated that jet trainer which current class using in air forces are being worked on an , and that the existing Hürkuş design team is directed to this project with the own resources of TAI.

    Reminding that the avionics of Hürkuş were developed locally, Kotil stated that these gains would also be an advantage in the design of the jet version of Hürkuş. Temel Kotil, who reminded that the basic trainer aircraft Hürkuş will start to be delivered to the Turkish Armed Forces from June 2018, said: "We continue to produce aircraft and we must continue. We want to grow 25 percent every year. We need to do something extraordinary to ensure this. "

    Kotil, didn't give answer to C4Defence questions about the design of the aircraft in the preliminary design phase stating that the detailed information. Kotil stated that there is no demand from the Air Force for this issue. According to the information given by C4Defence, while the names of Hürkuş and Hürjet cause the same aircraft to be understood as jet and turboprop engine versions, a new aircraft design may come into being because dual engines are preferred in jet engine training aircraft .
    HurJET

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    Turkish Aerospace Industries introduces its 10 Ton Utility Helicopter.

    It can carry 20+ Marines in full tactical kit, has a speed of 170 knots and a range of 1000 km. It is a military derivative of the TAI T-625 a 6 Ton Civilian Utility helicopter.




    http://www.c4defence.com/Gundem/iste...pterler/5049/1
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    Turkish Minister for Defence announces order for 200 more armed MALE UAV's and 100 T-129 Attack Helicopters.


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    Details of Roketsan's Liquid Propelled (Kerosene (RP-1) / Liquid Oxygen (LOX)) Satellite Launch Vehicle (SLV) emerges. Photo's of the Roketsan developed engines being tested has also been leaked.





    Elon Musk's visit to President Erdogan and the subsequent announcement that Turkish firms will work with Elon's companies for space exploration suggests that a new partnership is brewing.



    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t..._medium=Social
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