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Thread: Korea's KF-X: News & Discussion

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    Why don't the Korean's just purchase their GaN based T/R modules from Turkey like Thales?

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    Aselsan produces t/r modules for their own AESA radar systems: http://www.aselsan.com.tr/en-us/pres...ODULES_ENG.pdf

    Aselsan also supplies T/R modules for THALES: http://www.microwavejournal.com/arti...r-thales-radar

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    100 modules for Smart-S Mk 2 radars. Read that again & think about it. What are these modules? Why so few? A single Selex/SAAB ES-05 Raven AESA radar has about 1000 TRMs, for example. What sort of radar is the Smart-S Mk 2? Who is buying it? And where is it being made nowadays?

    Thales isn't buying GaN T/R modules from Aselsan for AESA radars. Aselsan is fitting Aselsan-made transmit modules (almost certainly GaAs) into licence-built PESA radars for Turkish navy ships (it's retrofitting old ships with Smart-S Mk 2, & fitting it to a few new ships), & maybe supplying modules for radars bought by Malaysia (2 to 6), Algeria (3), New Zealand (2) & Poland (1). I think Turkey may be the biggest current customer for the radar.
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    The Aselsan and Thales contract was used to illustrate how South Korea could do the same with Aselsan for its AESA radar.

    Considering that ASELSAN has already developed an airborne AESA radar for combat aircraft and also a Multi Function Active Phased Array Radar (CAFRAD) the Koreans should just enter into a JV with them.

    The below shows how far Turkey has come in GaN based nanotransistor production. Only about 5 countries in the world have the capacity to produce high-power nanotransistors.

    http://bilnews.bilkent.edu.tr/aselsa...notransistors/
    http://www.microwavejournal.com/arti...elic.hootsuite

    Micro Nano Technologies (AB-MikroNano) Sanayi ve Ticaret A.Ş., a joint-venture between Aselsan and Bilkent University produces many GaN based nano-transistors for export.

    Just by way of comparison ASELSAN's CAFRAD X band radar has more than 10,000+ TRMS.
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    Why would Korea work with Turkey when they have offers from the likes of Thales, IAI, Selex, etc?

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    Because South Korea and Turkey have been working together for a long time.

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    Turkey can call us up when they have 50W X-Band TRMs utilising GaN HEMT technology. Something that only the very most advanced institutes and companies in the US, Europe, and Japan have. Korea is trying to research these technologies through ETRI in conjunction with Korean companies that have experience in military radars such as LiGNex1 and Hanwha Systems.

    The 30W T/R Module in the second image does look promising but is that GaN/GaAs based or something else?

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    The 30W T/R Module is GaN based and designed for active phased array radars.

    http://www.aselsan.com.tr/en-us/pres...MODULE_ENG.pdf

    ASELSAN has GaN HEMT on SiC growth technology and is working on greater than 50W X-Band TRMs.

    This facility is dedicated for GaN technologies R&D by ASELSAN and it is the largest of its kind in Europe commissioned in 2015.

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    Usually the Turks seek assistance from the South Koreans and base their designs on the Korean originals.
    not the other way around

    Altay is just a K2 with extra wheels


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    Ah yes the Altay is an exact replica of the K2. NOT.
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    remove the era

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    Y-20 Bacon, You seem uncommonly perturbed by the suggestion that Turkey contributes anything to the aerospace/defence world. For what its worth, I disagree with you and the moderator on the subject of the TFX thread. You got that closed because it was about an aircraft that is yet to fly.

    What are we discussing here then? You are not as vexxed by a Korean LM clone, so I wonder why the Turkish plane is so offensive to you.

    Surely this korean fighter should not have its own thread?

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    Every TF-X thread I started on the site has been shut down.

    I had started threads on flying Turkish platforms as well (e.g. TAI ANKA MALE UAV, TAI Hurkus-C Coin aircraft etc) and they too have been shut down.

    So I wouldn't bother as the decisions are politically motivated.

    Its a shame but it only reflects on the site and its reputation.

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    You got the Turkish Aerospace thread.. that's enough.. no one needs to have a separate thread on everything that TAI churns out..

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    Do you want me to list how many threads Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Saab, KAI etc have on here?

    No one is creating threads for "everything TAI churns out". This is an aerospace forum and we discuss new technologies.

    Why should we ignore new Armed MALE classed UAV systems, new COIN aircraft, new 6 ton helicopters etc if we are talking about defence technologies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar
    Do you want me to list how many threads Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Saab, KAI etc have on here?
    I can't see a single thread on Boeing, personally.. or on SAAB.. not even on LockMart..

    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar
    Why should we ignore new Armed MALE classed UAV systems, new COIN aircraft, new 6 ton helicopters etc if we are talking about defence technologies?
    I cannot see separate threads on PC-7, PC-9, PC-21, Super Tucano or KT-1, either.. why should I discuss your Hurkus?
    I don't give damn about it and even less I give damn about your nationalistic pride..

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    Every TF-X thread I started on the site has been shut down.
    I had started threads on flying Turkish platforms as well (e.g. TAI ANKA MALE UAV, TAI Hurkus-C Coin aircraft etc) and they too have been shut down.
    So I wouldn't bother as the decisions are politically motivated.
    Its a shame but it only reflects on the site and its reputation.
    Look again.. there is USAF and F-35 thread. VKS and PakFa thread. PLAAF and J-20, but most of the time its only one thread per country.. deal with it.
    Besides if you want to talk UAV's, there is a general UAV thread as well here.

    Recommend you do not come on here all green and fresh, starts complaining and demanding.
    Moderators has explained why you only get to have one thread, Turkish AF. It should suffice.
    Thanks

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    Back on topic guys, please
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    The point I was making (incidentally) was that if Bayar's Turkish fighter thread was closed down because it is not flying, then you can apply the same logic to this Korean programme, or the 6th Gen thread.

    Given the amount of interesting information he is prepared to post (which is not all rubbish despite what J-20 Bacon claims), surely there is room for a Turkish thread a T-FX thread? I am very interested to hear about how the BAE/RR input shapes the project and this aspect of the programme makes it stand out.

    I have been guilty of the same thing by the way. The number of threads I have started about Taranis/FCAS/next gen European fighters/defence white papers because they didn't fit elsewhere or would get lost in the noise of F35 discussion doesn't bear thinking about!
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    so you saying you agree with his claims that the TFX is more mature and advanced than the fc-31 and j-20? lol

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    Do you have to keep on posting those wildly unconstructive, strawman attacks Y-20? We get it. I hope the Moderator deletes this last page of comments.

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    No, I'm saying that for some reason, his Turkish postings seem to turn you from a calm reasoned individual into one who makes angry nonsensical statements that appear designed to start a fight. He may post too many brochures, but he also posts a lot of news items supporting their content and has yet to rise to your uncharacteristic provocation.

    That is my point, and I am not the only one to have noted that the T-FX has just as much momentum and international importance/interest to it's name in the past 24 hours as the K-FX, which is plodding along in its non-flying state.

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    actually i havent said anything to the brochures. they're fine.

    but as for the other stuff. maybe you're right.
    You should totally support Bayar to create more dedicated threads out of fairness.

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    The brochures are not a problem.. even the wild claims are not a problem, there's plenty of that in other threads, too. The problem is Bayar only wants to discuss something Turkish.. nothing else counts.. whatever threads he starts, whatever response he posts, it's always something about TAI.. he is not interested in learning or discussing anything else, he just wants to advertise and outright force others to the notion about oh how advanced Turks are, oh how they don't need anyone's approval for anything and oh how everyone must buy TRMs from ASELSAN from now on... It's bloody getting on my nerves, really..
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    [MSphere] The brochures are not a problem.. even the wild claims are not a problem, there's plenty of that in other threads, too. The problem is Bayar only wants to discuss something Turkish.. nothing else counts.. whatever threads he starts, whatever response he posts, it's always something about TAI.. he is not interested in learning or discussing anything else, he just wants to advertise and outright force others to the notion about oh how advanced Turks are, oh how they don't need anyone's approval for anything and oh how everyone must buy TRMs from ASELSAN from now on... It's bloody getting on my nerves, really..
    Your presumptions about me is mind bogging.

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    so you saying you agree with his claims that the TFX is more mature and advanced than the fc-31 and j-20? lol
    Y-20 Bacaon I didn't say the TFX was more mature I said the TF-X was a program whose partners had more technology and experience with aircraft development and NATO STAGNAGS than any Asian equivalent.

    It is no secret that BAE Systems has more experience with Aeronautical Engineering than any asian aviation company out there.
    Roll-Royce also has more experience with Turbo-fan engines than any other Asian engine manufacturer out there. One cannot compare Western Turbo-fan engine technology wth current Asian Turbo-fan engines. China still has issues with engines.
    TAI also has been producing combat aircraft to NATO STAGNAGS under licence since the 1980's. It has produced 300 F-16's to date.

    I will repeat myself- had the TF-X been a project of Airbus or BAE Systems alone it would be causing a buz within aviation circles.The TF-X is probably the only twin-engined Air-superiority stealth fighter program in Europe. Now before some people go crazy on me for implying that Turkey is in Europe I am not talking about Geography or culture but trade (EU-Turkey Customs Union) and defence structures (NATO).

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    how many stealth fighters built and flying has TAI produced? how many has BAe produced? how many has Chengdu and Shenyang produced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar
    Your presumptions about me is mind bogging.
    OK, why not start a thread about something non-Turkish?

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    Do we really need to derail any topic with Turkish stuff??

    This is the KFX thread so plwase leave and stuff like tanks and whatever simply out of the discussion.
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    Do we really need to derail any topic with Turkish stuff??

    This is the KFX thread so plwase leave and stuff like tanks and whatever simply out of the discussion.
    I agree Deino.

    Originally Posted by Bayar
    Your presumptions about me is mind bogging.
    OK, why not start a thread about something non-Turkish?
    I only am informed about the Turkish Aerospace Industry and hence avoid topics I have zero knowledge on.

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