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    What that has been revealed is what I've got now. C107 model is still kept unpublished but was only mentioned on the document that model version C107 will be used for the flow simulation and analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR
    Korea will belly up before it can afford real KFX. neither China or US will tolerate trade surpluses.
    Man, I've just read through some of your posts in other threads and they all looks quite decent, in means of a comedy. I just knew it in a first glance, but now got 100% sure that it would be such a waste of a time to argue with a person such as you, ay?
    If your just gonna speak about something without any supporting arguments or sources or whatever but nothing more than your wet dreams, get lost. I don't care if your Russian or whatever nationality you've got but one thing; if your into this conversation, stick on to it, give a genuine reason for what your saying and say something people will be convinced with. If u want to troll, go somewhere else. You may also go to a nearest stationery and buy a diary or start a blog to write down whatever fantasy you've got. It's your choice but what that is not you option is to troll here.
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    Let me get this straight.. you have joined this forum few weeks ago, made 18 posts and now you're about to kick out members who have been here for ages? You are kidding, right?

    JSR might have some strange posts and he is well known for outright brutal oversimplifying.. but there is some substance in his responses and more importantly, he is providing completely different perspectives on the obvious topics.. I find this colorfulness quite inspiring (sometimes) as it provides unexpected amounts of food for thought..

    If there is an option of JSR or you going somewhere else, then my pick is clear as day, sorry..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere
    Let me get this straight.. you have joined this forum few weeks ago, made 18 posts and now you're about to kick out members who have been here for ages? You are kidding, right?

    JSR might have some strange posts and he is well known for outright brutal oversimplifying.. but there is some substance in his responses and more importantly, he is providing completely different perspectives on the obvious topics.. I find this colorfulness quite inspiring (sometimes) as it provides unexpected amounts of food for thought..

    If there is an option of JSR or you going somewhere else, then my pick is clear as day, sorry..
    Let me get it once more straight.... I'm neither telling him to "leave" for whatever meaningless reasons but for his nonsense which has never been supported by any proof but only sounds like his personal idea which has to be kept rather personal, nor trying actually kick him out but to demand him a rational argumentation. Moreover, my main point here is something you described "oversimplifying" which seems to be beyond that level. What I'm basically saying is, what I want is a supporting proof, a reason, a genuine evidence. An argument without any background is nothing more than an idiotic joke.

    I don't care much about how you think of me as, maybe a stranger or a trespasser, but I gotta get this rather straight. It is true that I'm very new here, haven't seen JSR giving various perspectives and opinions and arguments in various other threads. Nevertheless, what that is to be labelled "written by JSR" that I've read in this thread only appears like some twisted Russian pride and unreasonable underestimation of S.Kor for me. It is nothing excessive to demand rationality for someone who is taking part of the conversation IMHO, thus, this is what I basically wrote on my previous post which you've got uncomfortable of.

    Kicking one out? Nah, if it sounds like one, you've got it wrong.
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    Let me get it once more straight.... I'm neither telling him to "leave" for whatever meaningless reasons but for his nonsense which has never been supported by any proof but only sounds like his personal idea which has to be kept rather personal, nor trying actually kick him out but to demand him a rational argumentation.
    Don't wanna put oil on the fire, but a fraction of those who argue with JSR & call him names wouldn't notice a rational argumentation if you shoved it up their favorite forum page.

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    Back to the topic, I see there were some lack of information regarding KF-X which is seen on those posts from 2014 in the 1st and the 2nd page so better correct that.

    First off, all of those 3D renders and images are fan made or in other words, unofficial(they indeed looks very amateur either). Just like what I've mentioned the last page, KF-X aims to carry 4 BVRAAMs or 8 SDBs. GBU-32 or 6 BVRAAMs in the weapon bay was never a requirement.

    The targeting pod is also going to be equipped externally, thus KF-X will have IRST built-in on the fuselage. Even so, it will mostly rely on its radar's SAR capabilities and GPS for ground strikes using the SDB on stealthy configuration. Unlike the targeting pod, the ECM system will be internally equipped. This is to be done by modifying the ALQ-200K ECM pod, though since ALQ-200K will be already more than 20 years old as KF-X enters mass production, I personally predict that this modification isn't only about internally equipping it but also contains upgrades to its hardware.
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    I've noticed that there are some lacking infos which has never been mentioned.

    KF-X's AESA will be developed by Hanhwa Thales(former Samsung Thales). This was quite a surprise back then in 2016, due to the fact, that they had most experiences and development records regarding radar development including AESA. Also the initial partner who developed technologies for AESA on the fighters alongside ETRI and ADD for more than 10 years was LIG Nex1 either (they were also the ones who made the development prototype of AESA radar for KF-X, which has around 500 GaAs T/R modules with peak power of 10W). Though Hanhwa Thales has experience developing MFR for KM-SAM and this is regarded the main reason for Hanhwa victory.

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    KF-X's AESA will have more than 1000 GaN X-band T/R modules (probably 1132 modules) with peak power of 50W. According to the Ministry of Knowledge Economy, ETRI aims to develop X-band T/RM with peak power of 20W till 2011, 25W till 2012, 30W till 2013, 40W till 2015 and 50W till 2019. They did reveal 30W X-band GaN T/RM in 2013, so we should see if they'll be able to achieve 50W till 2019 like what they've planned for.

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    Unlike Initial models with refuel probes, KF-X will have receptacles for flying boom refueling. It would also have two-seater variant unlike the F-35 or F-22.


    I'm actually quite confused about this, though alaik, KF-X will have a built in IRST just like what I've mentioned before.

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    This 3D modelling of C104 shows an IRST alike figure in the red circle, but

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    the subsonic windtunnel test of C105 doesn't have such on its nose. As KAI and ADD aim to achieve LO for KF-X, it is also possible that they decided to place it somewhere else....

    photos courtsey Sheldon(blog.naver.com/jhst3103), bemil.chosun.com (Yu Yong Won's Military World), KARI's blog

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    OK, no pun intended.. if you expect JSR to provide hard data or evidence to back up his claims, then you'll end up waiting forever.. but if you want to learn things from a different, not entirely illogical perspective, then you are good to go.. you just need to read, critically assess and filter out the worse half..

    Interesting stuff on the KF-X, especially the GaN AESA and round IRST (oh-so-not-stealthy ), thanks
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    Man, I've just read through some of your posts in other threads and they all looks quite decent, in means of a comedy. I just knew it in a first glance, but now got 100% sure that it would be such a waste of a time to argue with a person such as you, ay?
    try to understand what i wrote.
    If your just gonna speak about something without any supporting arguments or sources or whatever but nothing more than your wet dreams, get lost. I don't care if your Russian or whatever nationality you've got but one thing; if your into this conversation, stick on to it, give a genuine reason for what your saying and say something people will be convinced with. If u want to troll, go somewhere else. You may also go to a nearest stationery and buy a diary or start a blog to write down whatever fantasy you've got. It's your choice but what that is not you option is to troll here.
    what kind of supporting arguments you need for some thing so obvious. Korea simply cant afford a competitive KFX. Even Japan is going backward in technology as it dropped the use of composites in its Mitsubishi MRJ regional Jet and that plane is 10 years delayed and need all the flight testing overseas. The point is as China put more sanctions on North Korea the greater NK labor will work on Russian projects.
    https://www.worldcoal.com/coal/25042...rth-korea-ban/
    China has seen coal imports from Russia jump in March following North Korea ban
    Korea is bankrupt despite all the past 30 years of scientific help from Russia. Russia will demand market price for that past intellectual use. and if that required investements are not provided than you will see that impact all around Asia and Middleast where Korean firms will be thrown out. flights routes will be curtailed. it is not just Thaad. its about disarming Korea and make it more dependent.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-ru...h-korea-thaad/
    BEIJING -- Chinese state media say Beijing and Moscow have agreed to take “further countermeasures” in response to plans for an advanced U.S. missile defense system in South Korea

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere
    OK, no pun intended.. if you expect JSR to provide hard data or evidence to back up his claims, then you'll end up waiting forever.. but if you want to learn things from a different, not entirely illogical perspective, then you are good to go.. you just need to read, critically assess and filter out the worse half..

    Interesting stuff on the KF-X, especially the GaN AESA and round IRST (oh-so-not-stealthy ), thanks
    Yes indeed.... Maybe I've got too far last time, but I'm not here to talk about some numbers for economy and diplomatics but this Korean fighter development project which looks quite interesting.
    On top of that, those numbers are wrong....

    Thus I'll try hard to find something rather interestign for anyone here, but that'll be hard due to the fact that S.Kor is nothing more thatn a follower; US, Russia, Europeans or the Japanese either one of 'em would have already tried what Koreans are doing ATM.
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    Just ignore him and don't quote his ramblings so the rest of us don't have to see him.

    He isn't a "different, not entirely illogical perspective," he is just yet another Russia Stronk keyboard warrior who can't be bothered to operate in the real world.

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    Says the ultimate US stronkist on this forum..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR
    Maro.Kyo
    try to understand what i wrote.

    what kind of supporting arguments you need for some thing so obvious. Korea simply cant afford a competitive KFX. Even Japan is going backward in technology as it dropped the use of composites in its Mitsubishi MRJ regional Jet and that plane is 10 years delayed and need all the flight testing overseas. The point is as China put more sanctions on North Korea the greater NK labor will work on Russian projects.
    https://www.worldcoal.com/coal/25042...rth-korea-ban/

    China has seen coal imports from Russia jump in March following North Korea ban
    Korea is bankrupt despite all the past 30 years of scientific help from Russia. Russia will demand market price for that past intellectual use. and if that required investements are not provided than you will see that impact all around Asia and Middleast where Korean firms will be thrown out. flights routes will be curtailed. it is not just Thaad. its about disarming Korea and make it more dependent.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-ru...h-korea-thaad/

    BEIJING -- Chinese state media say Beijing and Moscow have agreed to take “further countermeasures” in response to plans for an advanced U.S. missile defense system in South Korea

    Ok, I'm not personally interested on how you think, nor am I willing to change how you think. (One thing I've gotta say, I've seen so many people who talks just like you, with just the same stance) Though, would you continue that arguments in a different dedicated post or whatever? This is a KFX thread where it is the fighter development project to be discussed.

    Now your willing to continue this unworthy conversation, despite what I said just above this, I'll reply you probably for once and for last, about your twisted Russian dreams with reality.

    First off, you're blaming MRJ is a commercial plane, which is all about economy and efficiency, thus you better give an source about in which way MHI decreased the use of composite materials for MRJ. Do you even know that one of the sales point of MRJ is its lighter aircraft thanks to composite uses? You gotta know that Japan is one of the leaders of composite material industries and F-2 was the first fighter jet to have a full composite integral unit airfoil surface. Not only that, the amount of composite material used for F-2 was not ordinary for a fighter jet at that time. Your keen to say that Japan lost such technology or something similar, but sorry, X-2 doesn't looks like it agrees with that.

    I'm also quite sure that the mighty Sukhoi doesn't get a single help for SSJ-100 from its consultant Boeing nor is Alenia its partner isn't it? The engine which is produced by a joint venture with Snecma will also be purely NTO Saturn product I guess. Also the electronics from Thales or control system from Liebherr is actually Russian built, the APU from Honywell is never an American product, Landing gear from Messier Dowty is never French.

    Chinese sanctions on NK? Who sends crude oil to NK? Who exports an item under UNSC sanction against NK? Who helps NK to develop nukes? Chinese sanction on NK is US sanction on UK. Labor forces of NK? Yeah sure, good luck with those under-educated laborers suffering malnutrition. AH! That's why Russia is suffering such a severe economic difficulties. Now I understand it better.

    30 years of scientific help and Korean Bankruptcy? Uh.... I'm seriously saying. Are you confused between South Korea and North Korea? Have you ever heard of Bulgom project?
    Who was the actual one that lend money from S.Kor when they were just about to collapse? Who calls for Korean capital and help to develop the Siberia? Who sold important technologies to Korea, which was rapidly growing in terms of economy and GDP, due to harsh national economic situations? Who has gone through one of the most important and famous bankruptcy in mankind's history, used its natural resources trying to reclaims its old glory, but failed due to overall lower crude oil price? Who is cutting their defense budget, even though they need a bigger military to blackmail the neighbors and try acting like a big boss?

    Korea being bankrupt? Korea had 2.7 % GDP growth just last year, and that devastating THAAD sanction from China and Russia was so deadly and successful, that Korea was able to continue its 6 months-long export boom, especially for electronics industry which is benefiting from global IoT and network expansion. Son, unfortunately for you, Russia ain't Korea's export priority nor China, but its the US, Europe and India. Dependent on foreign technologies? Well partially true but our core industry a no. I guess Korea is so dependent that Samsung is one of the industrial leaders along with LG and SK, Hyundai exporting engines for Mitsubishi and Chrysler, POSCO producing various kinds of special steels. Who is along US Japan and west Europe to lead 5G telecommunications development? There are even more I could mention but it seems enough already.

    KF-X is going to fail due to Americans you say, though do you know that the TAC for this project is LM? Do you know Korea was 4th country on the list for military imports and the majority come from the US? KF-X a competitor of the F-35? Never a requirement, never a hope. It's a 4.5 gen, thus Korea's strategy to sell this fighter is to sell it to those who can't buy F-35.

    Rest of your wet dreams are something to laugh about. Good luck calling your president at Moscow and Mr. Xi in China to fulfill the fantasy of yours.
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    confused. Thales is now out of HTC now no? Is it still involved in AESA/GaN radar as a partner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by halloweene
    confused. Thales is now out of HTC now no? Is it still involved in AESA/GaN radar as a partner?
    Oh, yes. Thanks for noticing it. It's now simply Hanhwa systems without Thales on the back...
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    You also have to take into account Hanwha Systems is the systems integrator and while LIGNex1 has the greater hardware experience Hanwha has experience with naval combat systems and FCS and KM-SAM with search, track, and weapons guidance to the target. No doubt the KF-X radar will use LIG developed TRMs with Hanwha back-end software and sensor fusion.

    Here is an image of LIG's TRM technology. Taken from this blog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleSpirit
    Here is an image of LIG's TRM technology. Taken from this blog.
    A short note about that pic, the purposes reads(from left to the right):
    'next-gen counter-battery radar', 'AESA for aircraft', 'low altitude radar', 'Ulsan I class (FFX-1 or Incheon class) detection radar', 'long range radar', 'next-gen local air defense radar', 'air control radar'.

    What that is labelled as 'AESA for aircraft' is one of a development prototype by LIG Nex1 with 500 of those on it (thats why its GaAs). One for the KF-X will have - like what I've mentioned before - around 1100 GaN 50W T/R modules.

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    First off, you're blaming MRJ is a commercial plane, which is all about economy and efficiency, thus you better give an source about in which way MHI decreased the use of composite materials for MRJ. Do you even know that one of the sales point of MRJ is its lighter aircraft thanks to composite uses? You gotta know that Japan is one of the leaders of composite material industries and F-2 was the first fighter jet to have a full composite integral unit airfoil surface. Not only that, the amount of composite material used for F-2 was not ordinary for a fighter jet at that time. Your keen to say that Japan lost such technology or something similar, but sorry, X-2 doesn't looks like it agrees with that.
    Japan has been Tier-1 supplier to commercial aviation for long time. it should have known what is involoved in MRJ. do you have pictures of Mitsubish F-2 with CFT or heavy loads. Its not the composite materials but how heavy weopons it can sustain over various weopons stations for next 30 years under heavy use.


    I'm also quite sure that the mighty Sukhoi doesn't get a single help for SSJ-100 from its consultant Boeing nor is Alenia its partner isn't it? The engine which is produced by a joint venture with Snecma will also be purely NTO Saturn product I guess. Also the electronics from Thales or control system from Liebherr is actually Russian built, the APU from Honywell is never an American product, Landing gear from Messier Dowty is never French.
    Did Sukhoi open a engineering center in US and Italy. Did Boeing sent engineers to help Sukhoi with design, materials,weights, flight tests. they use commercial thales avioncis but its more to having commonality with Airbus A320 so airlines can accept it. same with various western subsystems and as those subsystems manufacturer will be responisble for maintaining it. now landing gears are built in Russian for more advanced jets.
    https://www.ruaviation.com/news/2015/9/28/3569/?h
    Hydromash delivered the first set of landing gear for MS-21 aircraft
    Chinese sanctions on NK? Who sends crude oil to NK? Who exports an item under UNSC sanction against NK? Who helps NK to develop nukes? Chinese sanction on NK is US sanction on UK. Labor forces of NK? Yeah sure, good luck with those under-educated laborers suffering malnutrition. AH! That's why Russia is suffering such a severe economic difficulties. Now I understand it better.
    i mean even slight sanction by China make NK more dependent on Russia. Russia want efficiently utlitlize NK labor in its projects.



    30 years of scientific help and Korean Bankruptcy? Uh.... I'm seriously saying. Are you confused between South Korea and North Korea? Have you ever heard of Bulgom project?
    Who was the actual one that lend money from S.Kor when they were just about to collapse? Who calls for Korean capital and help to develop the Siberia? Who sold important technologies to Korea, which was rapidly growing in terms of economy and GDP, due to harsh national economic situations? Who has gone through one of the most important and famous bankruptcy in mankind's history, used its natural resources trying to reclaims its old glory, but failed due to overall lower crude oil price? Who is cutting their defense budget, even though they need a bigger military to blackmail the neighbors and try acting like a big boss?
    The problem is that you are not understanding economic growth. You are complete import and export dependent economic system with domestic consumer burried in debt. you never learned how to stand on own feet. i dont have time to teach you oil price.
    Korea being bankrupt? Korea had 2.7 % GDP growth just last year, and that devastating THAAD sanction from China and Russia was so deadly and successful, that Korea was able to continue its 6 months-long export boom, especially for electronics industry which is benefiting from global IoT and network expansion. Son, unfortunately for you, Russia ain't Korea's export priority nor China, but its the US, Europe and India. Dependent on foreign technologies? Well partially true but our core industry a no. I guess Korea is so dependent that Samsung is one of the industrial leaders along with LG and SK, Hyundai exporting engines for Mitsubishi and Chrysler, POSCO producing various kinds of special steels. Who is along US Japan and west Europe to lead 5G telecommunications development? There are even more I could mention but it seems enough already.
    Korea has 2.7% GDP growth. what you know about GDP that you throwing around. dont believe on your export numbers. wasnt it hyundai that got caught cheating about its fuel economic numbers of its vehicles.
    KF-X is going to fail due to Americans you say, though do you know that the TAC for this project is LM? Do you know Korea was 4th country on the list for military imports and the majority come from the US? KF-X a competitor of the F-35? Never a requirement, never a hope. It's a 4.5 gen, thus Korea's strategy to sell this fighter is to sell it to those who can't buy F-35.
    KF-X is going to fail because korea neither haveand the money nor the technical ability. At best it will be Gripen NG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR
    do you have pictures of Mitsubish F-2 with CFT or heavy loads. Its not the composite materials but how heavy weopons it can sustain over various weopons stations for next 30 years under heavy use.
    You make me reply to your nonsense after all.... Else wise would the others who that are not well informed get "by JSR" wrong infos.

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    Never knew, that 4 ASMs with 2 drop tanks and 2 wingtip WVRAAMs ain't a heavy load.

    Quote Originally Posted by JSR
    now landing gears are built in Russian for more advanced jets.
    I knew it. Changing stances. Isn't it, Mr. "Russia create there own maths"? I even feel pity for people like you, not being able to forget the Soviet glory almost 30 years old today, getting so desperate and obsessed for dissing the other countries with better situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by JSR
    The problem is that you are not understanding economic growth. You are complete import and export dependent economic system with domestic consumer buried in debt. you never learned how to stand on own feet. i don't have time to teach you oil price.
    Why not ask this also to Germans? Citizens buried under debt? So definitely not Russia, where over 30% of its people responded for the survey, that they aren't able to buy basic daily necessities to completely fulfill there needs. Is it only Korea where domestic debts rise? Guess you already forgot 2008. Say I don't understand economics and talks about some "Russian(TM) Magic Economics", never a genuine statement. Now I bombard you with truth and facts, you can't even refute properly.

    Quote Originally Posted by JSR
    KF-X is going to fail because korea neither haveand the money nor the technical ability. At best it will be Gripen NG.
    And as always,the climax, the story's end is always a personal hope.

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    Getting THAAD deployed in S.Kor was already a Korean benefit

    Since you believe THAAD is benefit for Korea, surely you won't mind pay Trump's $1billion bill ,right?

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    Originally Posted by Maro.Kyo
    You make me reply to your nonsense after all.... Else wise would the others who that are not well informed get "by JSR" wrong infos.
    Never knew, that 4 ASMs with 2 drop tanks and 2 wingtip WVRAAMs ain't a heavy load.
    Try to understand before giving uninformed reply. that Mitsubishi F-2 picture is hardly impressive for an aircraft that is made of composite of material and presumably slightly larger than standard F-16. Any late 1980s built F-16 can lift that much loads. and we still don't know how much runway F-2 need for such load out and what is the top speed and altitude of F-2.

    if you want to see effective application of composite materials looke MIG-29K. It has folding wings, 5 wet stations, enlarged nose and spine/wing area, more engine power and can lift from carrier for short takeoff with heavy loads. Rafale use greater percentage of composites but small nose, no folding wings and weak engines make it less effective use of composite structure


    Originally Posted by Maro.Kyo
    I knew it. Changing stances. Isn't it, Mr. "Russia create there own maths"? I even feel pity for people like you, not being able to forget the Soviet glory almost 30 years old today, getting so desperate and obsessed for dissing the other countries with better situation.
    it is to teach a lesson in Russian and Soviet science. 30 years with Korea. just look back further to Bloomberg, Oracle, Google and Israel.

    Originally Posted by Maro.Kyo
    Why not ask this also to Germans? Citizens buried under debt? So definitely not Russia, where over 30% of its people responded for the survey, that they aren't able to buy basic daily necessities to completely fulfill there needs. Is it only Korea where domestic debts rise? Guess you already forgot 2008. Say I don't understand economics and talks about some "Russian(TM) Magic Economics", never a genuine statement. Now I bombard you with truth and facts, you can't even refute properly.
    Germans never pretend to be a military power they are ok to be buried in debt. Germany also accepted that EU will be reliant on Russian energy.
    http://www.dw.com/en/nord-stream-2-f...ape/a-38568823
    Its Korea that want to develop military and forgetting what is developed in commercial is entirely due to foreign assistance. and its Korea that has not accepted Russian energy on large scale. I am sure as Russian military procurement accelerates and it use more military force in Middleast Korea will come to same conclusion to what currently Germany.
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    Why is it important if Korea uses Russian energy or not? Or Germany?
    Sum ergo cogito

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyget
    Since you believe THAAD is benefit for Korea, surely you won't mind pay Trump's $1billion bill ,right?
    Ofc, it's a benefit when we only gotta provide the lands and that was the case what I was calling beneficial.
    Even when we're buying it with our defense budget, its still worth the price and still a fair trade. THAAD is decent enough, and will definitely help us out way better than before, though what Trump says is, that we're not paying to "buy" it or in other words, own it and its still going to be a US asset.
    That is a nonsense in this case.

    Trying to act with sarcasm or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR
    Try to understand before giving uninformed reply. that Mitsubishi F-2 picture is hardly impressive for an aircraft that is made of composite of material and presumably slightly larger than standard F-16. Any late 1980s built F-16 can lift that much loads. and we still don't know how much runway F-2 need for such load out and what is the top speed and altitude of F-2.
    Ofc, 4 harpoons but also with 2 external 370 gallon fuel tanks and a wingtip WVRAAM to be fully operational isn't it? Now really, "uninformed reply"?

    Quote Originally Posted by JSR
    if you want to see effective application of composite materials looke MIG-29K. It has folding wings, 5 wet stations, enlarged nose and spine/wing area, more engine power and can lift from carrier for short takeoff with heavy loads. Rafale use greater percentage of composites but small nose, no folding wings and weak engines make it less effective use of composite structure
    Another RUSSIA STRONK here.
    How is the folding to do with composites? Are the folding joints of the main wing made out of composites? Thus will you give any specific reference about MiG-29k's composite material uses? RAC only approves 15% composite uses on the air frame, whereas Rafale as you've mentioned has more application of composite materials, roughly 28%. Why compare two fighters of way different composite material ratio? That's simply idiotic.
    Rafale's engine you say? They are smaller, lighter and therefore a lower thrust. Why argue something so obvious? It also has a better TTW ratio thus the air frame itself is way lighter than the MiG-29K so it's YOU, who gotta stop an uninformed reply.

    Rest doesn't even deserve a further reply.

    Guess no more replies for your bull**** is something miles wiser to be done than what I've done till now.
    Last edited by Maro.Kyo; 29th April 2017 at 21:48.

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    Really, now I feel like this thread has to be named "'corrections to RUSSIA STRONK' thread" rather than "KF-X news & discussion" thanks to some fellow Russia fan-boy, who gotta tell us that "Russia has a different math".
    Those are at the level of some real good comedy now. simply too much to laugh about for that much of a pity.

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    Ofc, 4 harpoons but also with 2 external 370 gallon fuel tanks and a wingtip WVRAAM to be fully operational isn't it? Now really, "uninformed reply"?
    Those are 600 gal tanks actually. And the missiles are Japanese ASM-2.
    How can less be more? It's impossible. More is more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maro.Kyo
    Ofc, 4 harpoons but also with 2 external 370 gallon fuel tanks and a wingtip WVRAAM to be fully operational isn't it? Now really, "uninformed reply"?
    why you dont understand what i am writing. you dont need composite material fighter to carry 4 Anti ship missile and 2 fuel tanks. Even the original MIG-29M and MIG-29K from late 1980s could lift that much load without any composite material.
    show me what kind of loads F-2 can lift and what kind of performance and range it generate that 1980s fighters cant.
    Quote Originally Posted by Maro.Kyo
    Another RUSSIA STRONK here.
    How is the folding to do with composites? Are the folding joints of the main wing made out of composites? Thus will you give any specific reference about MiG-29k's composite material uses? RAC only approves 15% composite uses on the air frame, whereas Rafale as you've mentioned has more application of composite materials, roughly 28%. Why compare two fighters of way different composite material ratio? That's simply idiotic.
    Rafale's engine you say? They are smaller, lighter and therefore a lower thrust. Why argue something so obvious? It also has a better TTW ratio thus the air frame itself is way lighter than the MiG-29K so it's YOU, who gotta stop an uninformed reply.

    Rest doesn't even deserve a further reply.

    Guess no more replies for your bull**** is something miles wiser to be done than what I've done till now
    large folding wings need strong reinforcement. in order to make the fighter not overweight it need reduction in weight. MIG-29K has the most efffective application of composite materials. MIG-29K has higher top speed/Altitude than Rafale/F-18E/F-35.

    Mitsubishi F-2 programme started in 1988 and first production model in 2000. that was time when Japan has alot of money and decent labor resources. if Japan try to repeat the same thing again. it will take much much longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle
    Those are 600 gal tanks actually. And the missiles are Japanese ASM-2.
    No, I was actually referring to the F-16.... as that's what JSR was comparing F-2 to.

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    I see... 600 gal tanks are possible though, but not with 4 ASMs of course
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    Since you believe THAAD is benefit for Korea, surely you won't mind pay Trump's $1billion bill ,right?
    Korea owns billions of US tsy debt since it is a US client state. It has paid for thaad 10 times over

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