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Thread: Are We Slowly Slipping Into World War?

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    Our armed forces are diminishing on an almost daily basis, to such an extent that their ability to defend the UK itself against conventional attack by a determined opponent armed with modern equipment is now questionable.

    Talk of intervention in a putative conflict in Korea is risible, quite frankly.
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    I wouldn't mind betting that the phone line 'tween Beijing and Pyongyang is white hot at the moment. I think that the surprise closing of the border crossing between the RoK and the Kaesong special economic zone in the DPRK, is significant. It is a another vivid example of the leadership, be it military or otherwise, shooting itself in the foot.

    That zone earns the DPRK billions of dollars annually, although I suspect that 99% of that, never finds its way to the long suffering citizens of that socialist 'paradise' Could we be edging a little into uncharted waters, as far as the latest DPRK threats and rhetoric is concerned?
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22021832

    I hope we don't get into a `I'm not backing down, you back down` scenario. It could escalate.

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    As soon as the South Korean/U.S. wargames are over, and the Americans go home, the North Koreans will be able to tell their populace that they've forced the opposition into a humiliating climbdown, and everything will go quiet again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSR777 View Post
    I wouldn't mind betting that the phone line 'tween Beijing and Pyongyang is white hot at the moment. I think that the surprise closing of the border crossing between the RoK and the Kaesong special economic zone in the DPRK, is significant. It is a another vivid example of the leadership, be it military or otherwise, shooting itself in the foot.

    That zone earns the DPRK billions of dollars annually, although I suspect that 99% of that, never finds its way to the long suffering citizens of that socialist 'paradise' Could we be edging a little into uncharted waters, as far as the latest DPRK threats and rhetoric is concerned?
    Indeed - as in most autocracies of whichever colour as long as the military and the police and the ruling elite are kept sweet the rest of the population can go hang.
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    Sounds a bit like the U.K. then?.
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    Well, perhaps that's stretching the point just a leeeeeeetle bit....!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar Brooks View Post
    As soon as the South Korean/U.S. wargames are over, and the Americans go home, the North Koreans will be able to tell their populace that they've forced the opposition into a humiliating climbdown, and everything will go quiet again.
    I suspect you may be right, although April 15 (Kim Il-Sung's birthday) might be deemed a suitable day for a 'grand gesture' by the NK regime.
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    What ,he is going to announce he is giving up power to become a pole dancer [ a much repressed life long ambition]
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    That would be unlikely, since he's been dead for about 20 years. Even so, he is still the official Head of State, making North Korea the world's only necrocracy.
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    Ah, the old ‘moving the missiles away from the frontier ploy’.....that’s just what they want you to think!
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    Until they move them back again in another fit of flouncing before withdrawing them again. And so it goes on........and on.....

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26366700

    Tensions with Russia scrambling fighter jets.

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    With such political turmoil on their doorstep, surely it's prudent for the Russians to be on high alert?

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    If Russia was to go into Ukraine in force, would the Us and Europe do anything about it other than economic sanctions? I think not.

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    I don't even think they'd go for sanctions. There would be a lot of 'huffing and puffing', it would be condemned, but nothing would come of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j_jza80 View Post
    With such political turmoil on their doorstep, surely it's prudent for the Russians to be on high alert?
    Rubbish - Putin posturing, that's all it is - hoping to put the frighteners on Ukraine. They have no need whatsoever to put troops on alert. Who is going to attack them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by charliehunt View Post
    Rubbish - Putin posturing, that's all it is - hoping to put the frighteners on Ukraine. They have no need whatsoever to put troops on alert. Who is going to attack them?
    You are talking about a ego maniac like Putin who seems to be losing popularity and the plot.He knows the EU and the world will do nothing so he MAY do something about it.

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    I think even he would realise that would be a step too far.

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    Could the Crimea end up part of Russia?

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    Like it used to be. It seems to make sense for the Ukraine to split - much as Czechoslovakia did twenty odd years ago.
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    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliehunt View Post
    Rubbish - Putin posturing, that's all it is - hoping to put the frighteners on Ukraine. They have no need whatsoever to put troops on alert. Who is going to attack them?
    By 'put the frighteners on Ukraine' do you mean invading Ukraine?

    Men in unmarked camouflage uniforms occupied two airports and blocked the road between Simferopol and Sevastopol before dawn, while a Russian warship was reported to have blockaded the entrance to the bay at Balaklava, the home of the Ukrainian coast guard.
    Several dozen men in camouflage uniforms and carrying AK-74 assault rifles and PK 7.62 mm machine guns occupied a restaurant and patrolled the car park and forecourt of Simferopol international airport early on Friday morning.
    The soldiers, who wore no identifying insignia, refused to answer questions from journalists as they strolled up and down outside the airport.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-Ukraine.html
    Although I have to admit that they sound like Russian troops, I suppose it is not beyond the realms of reality that - how ever unlikely it could be - they might be from the EU or America. Or Switzerland or Tuvalu even...

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    Firstly my comment was made a long time before the reports you refer to and secondly reports of Russian soldiers in isolated parts of pro- Russian Ukraine are hardly an invasion but are certainly evidence of Putin putting the frighteners on Ukraine.

    Afterthought - I suppose it's likely that Crimea's relatively brief detachment from Russia will end and as I mentioned earlier the country might be happier split between the pro-Russian East and the pro-West. A referendum before the election perhaps, but with hopefully a higher turnout than that which voted for Crimea's autonomy.
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    How much of the population in the Crimea is pro/ethnic Russian? As an aside, I get a very eerie feeling of a Munich-esq deal being made.

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    73% - I think was the latest figure I saw.

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    Just hope it can be sorted in a peaceful manner but i do worry about Putin.

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    Putin has to play the strong man to maintain his position at home but no Russian leader could afford to risk his significant military assets in Crimea. It seems logical given Ukraine's ethnic history that Crimea ceases to be a part of it. And whatever the Doomesday scenarists write I seriously doubt war between Russia and the West.

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