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    Are We Slowly Slipping Into World War?

    News today that Russia is concerned with Israel for bombing Siria.
    US and British forces are in Afghanistan with limited actions in Pakistan.
    Tensions between North and South Korea.
    Tensions between China and Japan.
    French and British forces in Mali.
    Taliban expanding not to mention coflicts in Libia, Africa, Somalia.
    On top of all this the world is in a tripple dip recession. Mass unemployment, povety.
    A tinder box waiting for a spark?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hampden98 View Post
    Are we slowly slipping into World War?
    No. (But that’s just my opinion.)

    Quote Originally Posted by hampden98 View Post
    On top of all this the world is in a triple dip recession.
    The world isn’t in a triple-dip recession, at least I don’t think it is, but some countries are, including the United Kingdom (probably).

    Anyway what’s so bad about a ‘triple-dip’ recession? That’s just some bullsh|t phrase that an economist or journalist thought-up and every politician who wants to scare people has latched-onto, it doesn’t actually mean anything! Don’t believe me? Some countries haven’t come out of the first recession yet so they haven’t even had a double-dip recession; are they better-off than the United Kingdom?
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    Regional conflicts, yes. Always have been, always will be.

    The world is most certainly NOT in triple dip recession. Europe for all the reasons well rehearsed is the only real basket case. Much of the world is in economic growth and leaving us behind. Hence, on a different tack, the need for us to concentrate on trading with new and growing markets and not with the slumbering European ones.
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    China will be the root of a world war.

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    It may well be a future participant in one, but I think that the root of the next world war, will originate elsewhere.:diablo:
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    Well you never know, with a bit of luck.
    At least it'll give us something to watch on the telly.
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    The world is already at war. China has been attacking the west with cyber attacks for years now, and America does it to everyone else.

    Every country seems to be involved in some kind of tension at the moment, that coud easily escalate. The potential for it all to collapse like a house of cards is concerning.

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    So...? Is your post linked to your thread title..?
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    Just another example of unrest in the world.

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    There has never been a time in the whole of recorded human history without organised conflict of one kind or another.

    In today's information age, our easy access to news and pictures via TV news and the Internet enables us to bear near-instant witness to events in far-off countries that people only 50 years ago would have found out about at third or fourth hand after a significant delay.

    Your impression that the world is spiralling out of control is little more than a by-product of increasingly efficient news-gathering and broadcasting.



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    Grey Area,
    I agree and we've been through worse before.

    Let's face it, World war would be bad for business and with the international gang of bankers, usurers and spivs who are currently in charge in the World, I can't see any of them wanting to cut their profits right now.
    They've got it pretty well sown up I reckon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy in Beds View Post
    Grey Area,
    World war would be bad for business.
    Depends who's making the weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy in Beds View Post
    Grey Area,
    World war would be bad for business and with the international gang of bankers, usurers and spivs who are currently in charge in the World,
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    Well if that is the case, as you see it, then a World War is exactly what I would have thought these "usurers and spivs" would want - lots of shady money from shady arms deals!
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    Not really--and Charlie, I'm in no mood for sarcasm.
    I often have to read the cr*p you write, but I read it, absorb it and often consider it. So, although you might not agree with me, my cr*p is as valid as your cr*p.
    Countries borrow big bucks in wartime, and that's OK if they win.
    Russia in The Great War borrowed heavily from America.
    When it all went **** up, those investors lost.
    You could if you were a true cynic (and heaven forbid, I'm not) argue that America joined The Great War to protect their investments in Gt Britain and France, who in 1917, with the Russians gone and the Germans bringing a substantial number of divisions from east To West, the French army in a shambles and even talk of unrest in Britain, were looking like the loosing side.

    Again in 1938, Neville Chamberlain repeated that war would be bad for World trade.
    That's why he gave Czechoslovakia away--well one of the reasons anyway.
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    Your description of those who rule us belies your first sentence. Well, I certainly don't mean to write cr*p nor do I regard what you write as such, so I am sorry you see it that way.
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    It's only a worry if you're afraid of dying. Personally, I can't do anything to alter the world situation one way or the other so worrying about it is wasting what little energy I have left over when I've dealt with situations I can influence or control.

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    Well I entirely agree with that, Kev. I have never worried about events which I cannot control nor have any influence over. Immediate concerns in our personal lives are what trouble me and are troubling me, as I know are yours.
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    I couldn't care less...and in all honesty i'm not convinced that peace has proved to be all that marvellous anyway.
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    [QUOTE=Andy in Beds;1984360]Well you never know, with a bit of luck.
    At least it'll give us something to watch on the telly.


    What, and take away the only TV program I watch,...Andy Pandy

    Now that's going to get a few on here wondering and Muffin the Mule.....OOOps, should I have said the word "Muffin" these days?.

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    http://live.reuters.com/Event/North_Korea

    N.KOREA SAYS MAY TAKE STRONGER, FURTHER STEPS IF U.S. KEEPS UP HOSTILITY - KCNA

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    The words "sabres" and "rattling" come to mind.....
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    Sure if Private Fraser was here he would be telling us "We're all doomed. Doomed I tell ye" Nothing NK likes better than a bit of rhetoric and bad publicity. Not concerned in the slightest.

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    Very apt!
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    China will not permit North Korea to continue with their programme, to the point of their being able to miniaturise the weapon sufficiently, so as to allow it to be fitted to their delivery vehicle. Even their rocketry has had mixed results.

    South Korea is a very major trading partner for the Chinese, so I don't believe that they will place their already cool relationship with NK, ahead of continued good relations with SK. The ideological 'comeradary' between China and NK is also not what it was. But IMO, China is not keen to see a total collapse of the NK state at the present time, the humanaterian crisis alone would be catastrophic for Them. Personally I think that there is also the threat of a 'scorched earth policy' by the NK armed forces if it is staring at the demise of the regime, and all those connected with it.

    IMO, I don't believe that they have miniaturised the bomb sufficiently, for it to be placed on/in one of their rockets, but I would not be at all surprised, if it turns out that the North Koreans have been receiving external help with their nuclear programme. Pakistan would be my best bet. With NK being a state that has been a 'hermetically sealed' country since the late 40s, what the psychological effect of state collapse would be on the ordinary NK citizen, we can only guess.
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    MSR, you are correct. NK did collaborate on the nuclear and rocket testing, last month it was announced over 100 top Iranian nuclear physicists, engineers and other specialists had flown into Pyongyang.

    I guess we in the civilised world just have to sit tight in the knowledge that even Kim Jong Un isn't stupid enough to actually start a war with anyone. If he did, NK would be obliterated and wiped of the map by US forces in the space of a couple of months :diablo: personally, I don't think that's such a bad thing. At least the NK citizens will be a big step closer to freedom.
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    I visited NK in 1987, and it was one weird experience. I tend to agree with your post. However, I think that the physiological and cultural shock to the ordinary NK citizen, following a sudden collapse of the state itself, would be very profound indeed, and can in no way be compared with the effects of state collapse, on the citizens of the former Communist bloc.

    IMO, there would need to be some kind of transitional change to a post Communist NK, possibly under the auspices of the UN, but I think that it would have to be quite a long period of time for this. There is also the likely negative effect, that a sudden re-unification of Korea would have on the economies of neighbouring Chinese provinces, and on South Korea itself, this would surely mean that a gradual integration would be vital.

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    Neil during your visit (and I presume you've studied North Korean culture since) do you believe the NK people actually believe the communist propaganda the government force down their throats? I've always doubted whether the citizens truly believe it and only keep quiet due to the threat of being sent to labor camps should they revolt.

    Especially nowadays given the growing awareness of things such as the internet, mobile phones and personal computers - the NK people can hardly believe they live in the 'land of the free' when just across the border in China everyone has access (albeit restricted in the case of internet) to these things.

    I doubt the Korean peninsula will ever be united again. I just can't imagine the South Koreans would allow it, SK would have to plunge billions of dollars into bringing the North up to the same standard as the south. The South would be far better off economically without the North holding them back... Think of it like England and Scotland
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    Matt, bearing in mind that its almost 26 years ago that I visited NK, or the People's Democratic Republic of Korea as they prefer to call it, so I can only relate to what it was like then. During our 24 hour stopover in Beijing, our English tour guide reminded us if the fundamental does and don'ts whilst in NK. We were told, that the citizens were unaware that man had been to the moon, they had no idea about the AIDS problem, or 'western pop groups' and that we were to bear this in mind during our 12 day visit. I can't believe that our NK tour guides, who would have been government appointees, would not have known of these things, in fact, the male guide was quite well informed about 'Led Zeppelin'! So it was difficult to know who to believe. I took the view, as did some others on the trip, that we would not talk about anything to do with the West, unless the NK guides asked us.

    Kim Il Sung was still at the North Korean helm at that time, so there had been no real changes for many years. If you've never visited NK yourself, its very difficult to explain the Orwellian, monolithic edifice, that is NK state. Of course it was never possible to speak to the 'locals' and none would have spoken English anyway, although sometimes, our guides would introduce us to a seemingly random passer by, and translate their version of polite conversation.

    I do think that back then, most, if not pretty much all the population, sincerely believed that they lived in a virtual socialist utopia. A popular slogan on posters that we saw was 'We have nothing to envy in all the World' and I honestly think that the NK 'comrades' believed that. Most of the population alive today, have never known anything different to living under the 'loving care' of the 'benevolent' Kims. Despite the endless march of technological progress here in the West, I would still be very surprised, if more than a very few of those 'sealed up' in the socialist paradise, are getting any info from the outside world.

    I do sense a change coming, under the new Kim. However, IMO I think that any changes that do come, will only be those which are approved by the NK military, as I think that it is they who really rule the country, and not the regime itself, but maybe even they, may be sensing that changes have to come. Will this be done by flirting with the tourist dollar, and getting involved with foreign companies, a la Cuba? or by other, more profound routes? I visited Albania in 1986, and the parallels between the two states was striking. The big difference was although Socialist Albania had isolated itself under the rule of Enver Hoxha, its 'information borders' were somewhat 'porous' I don't think the same can be said of NK. After all, their new, and much trumpeted Internet provider, is totally home grown, and has no connections to the outside world. But I suspect that on the PCs in the 'big houses' in the leafy government suburbs of Pyongyang, doing a Google search for anything, is no problem.

    Ironically, the new Shard building in London, bears an uncanny resemblance to the giant Ryangyong Hotel in Pyongyang, which in turn emulates Orwell's description of 'The Ministry of Truth' in his epic 1984. Ain't life strange....?
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21972936

    I don't want to be a worry monster here but all this sabre rattling is very disconcerting.

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