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    Quote Originally Posted by Mildave View Post
    ITT Exelis to Provide Pakistan with Electronic Warfare Defensive System

    I don't think the IAF will be too happy about that...
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    Well it seems to me that while it's clear PAF cannot compete with the IAF on modern aircraft, they're heavily investing in new capabilities like tankers, AEW&C, were the IAF seems to be slightly behind. The addition of electronic warfare systems from the US seems a bit worrying to me. They said it's defensive only, but it would be interesting to know whether they only protect individual aircraft or if they can protect a strike package.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mildave View Post
    Well it seems to me that while it's clear PAF cannot compete with the IAF on modern aircraft, they're heavily investing in new capabilities like tankers, AEW&C, were the IAF seems to be slightly behind. The addition of electronic warfare systems from the US seems a bit worrying to me. They said it's defensive only, but it would be interesting to know whether they only protect individual aircraft or if they can protect a strike package.
    In both the areas mentioned by you IAF is not only ahead of PAF but more experienced in operating the assets,IAF regularly operates those Tankers on trans continental tours for Exercises with various nations.

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    With the additional Phalcons and the Embarers coming online I don't think IAF has that much to worry about. Airbus looks set to win the Tanker contract as well.

    However the new EW gear will give PAF Falcons good strike capability against India's Air Defenses. The MR-SAM may be the answer to that.
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    That calls for a review of our "Samyukta"EW system and it's capabilities,integrated with SPYDER,Akash & MR SAM will be the right answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mildave View Post
    Well it seems to me that while it's clear PAF cannot compete with the IAF on modern aircraft, they're heavily investing in new capabilities like tankers, AEW&C, were the IAF seems to be slightly behind. The addition of electronic warfare systems from the US seems a bit worrying to me. They said it's defensive only, but it would be interesting to know whether they only protect individual aircraft or if they can protect a strike package.
    The deal is only for 18 pods, although modern and capable you cannot ignore the overwhelming numbers of IAF aircraft which carry similar systems and the number of aircraft which are being upgraded to accommodate such systems internally (MiG-29, Mirage-2000 and Tejas). Other than tankers (which are of lesser concern due to lack of strategic depth in Pakistan), the IAF's rate of modernisation and induction of newer systems is hardly being matched by Pakistan.

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    Tankers in PAF give their attack planes the reach to attack targets in South/South West India aided with PAF AWACS flying in Arabian Sea. Where they dont have to enter Indian territory thus avoiding Indian defences and fly all the way over Arabian Sea and only come onto Indian territory when their target is close.

    It can be countered by Indian Navy, especially by airwing (Mig29k primarily). Aided by AWACS (which will give IAF/IN idea of whole situation much earlier). So the question is: How many AWACS are needed for 24x7 protection of air space during wartime, attrition included?

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    Tankers can be also be used to allow max weapon load and low fuel take-offs. Then top up the tanks with the tankers to extend aircraft range.

    PAF tankers along with PAF AWACS are likely the the first targets for the IAF if it comes to war. Those range extenders put too much of peninsular India at risk of airstrikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mildave View Post
    Well it seems to me that while it's clear PAF cannot compete with the IAF on modern aircraft, they're heavily investing in new capabilities like tankers, AEW&C, were the IAF seems to be slightly behind. The addition of electronic warfare systems from the US seems a bit worrying to me. They said it's defensive only, but it would be interesting to know whether they only protect individual aircraft or if they can protect a strike package.
    Everybody and their mum know that those arent for defensive purpose , but thats nothing new.Previously US have supplied paf with equipment like Sniper ATP , JDAM kits , AN/ALQ 141 etc.

    The IAF's mandate is to fight a simultaenous two front war.While IAf in its current state will be hard pressed to keep that mandate , if paf alone is considered its not a problem for the IAF.
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    Just to remind everyone that the LCH development is still ongoing. cross posting a couple of pics posted Wng Cmd (retd) Hari Nair, an HAL test pilot of the LCH on BRF. According to him, a few more visible changes are in the offing.

    LCH TD-2 with temporary air data probes and modified wing stubs

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayrubik View Post
    Everybody and their mum know that those arent for defensive purpose , but thats nothing new.Previously US have supplied paf with equipment like Sniper ATP , JDAM kits , AN/ALQ 141 etc.

    The IAF's mandate is to fight a simultaenous two front war.While IAf in its current state will be hard pressed to keep that mandate , if paf alone is considered its not a problem for the IAF.
    Still you don't buy tankers for a defensive role, and while I understand the US providing PAF with defensive equipments I thought the recent US-India collaboration would see high tech hardware that could help PAF strike inside India be banned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackArcher View Post
    Just to remind everyone that the LCH development is still ongoing. cross posting a couple of pics posted Wng Cmd (retd) Hari Nair, an HAL test pilot of the LCH on BRF. According to him, a few more visible changes are in the offing.

    LCH TD-2 with temporary air data probes and modified wing stubs

    LCH TD-2 image 2
    Nice pictures
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    http://www.deccanchronicle.com/chann...t-training-092

    ^^Indian pilots would be sent to Switzerland to make up for the shortage of flying hours in basic pilot training program. I still don't see how they will be able to achieve the 150 hour benchmark when they are currently getting only a sixth of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twinblade View Post
    http://www.deccanchronicle.com/chann...t-training-092

    ^^Indian pilots would be sent to Switzerland to make up for the shortage of flying hours in basic pilot training program. I still don't see how they will be able to achieve the 150 hour benchmark when they are currently getting only a sixth of that.
    The 25 hours is over what kind of time period?
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    Did some MP like that joker Mysura Reddy raise any issues with the PC-7 MkII procurement (perhaps issues like why wasn't it used over Libya and how others are buying the newer PC-9 instead ) due to which St. Antony has been sitting on that file without taking it forward?
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    Antony is an absolute joke as a RM, a post which requires quick and decisive decision making.

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    IAF's grounded Mirage fleet to start flying by month end

    Grounded Mirage fleet to start flying by April end- IAF Chief

    NEW DELHI: After remaining grounded for over a month after two crashes in close succession, the Mirage-2000 multi-role fighters are expected to take to the skies by end-April.

    Air chief marshal (ACM) N A K Browne, on the sidelines of IAF annual commanders' conference on Tuesday, said the Mirage-2000 fleet was undergoing systematic technical checks and would resume flying operations by month-end. French original equipment manufacturers Dassault Aviation and Snecma are also part of the probes into the crashes that were caused due to some engine problems.
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    PAKFA animation with IAF roundels and neat camo..
    click on the animation link..
    http://www.combataircraft.com/en/Mil...Sukhoi/PAK-FA/
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    Links not working better link tot he site

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jō Asakura View Post
    are they buying them? putting them up?

    how long do the aircraft stay out in the tarmac when not in use?
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    The project to install them has been on since a year or so at Pune AFS.

    in other news, the IAF is to send out an RFI to Antonov (An-72 or An-140?), Ilyushin (Il-112? it was cancelled AFAIK), EADS-CASA (C-295) and Alenia C-27J Spartan for a new light tactical airlifter to replace the HS-748 Avros.

    IAF shortlists 5 aircraft manufacturers for Avro replacement programme

    Eventually I believe the fight will be between the C-295 and the C-27J. OTOH, if the IAF is serious about having the private sector take up this project on the Indian side, then the Il-112 could be developed and designed in India with Ilyushin and Tata working together with HAL assisting.
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    posted by a89 in Russian aviation thread...
    Volga-Dnepr Group will acquire 20 An-124 aircraft for $4 billion
    Russian Aviaton » Friday April 13, 2012 18:56 MSK

    Volga-Dnepr Group intends to sign a firm contract with United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) on delivery of 20 An-124 aircraft with a total value of $4 billion, Valery Gabriel, the vice-president of Volga-Dnepr said. AEX.ru

    The company intends to acquire a total of 40 An-124 jets by 2030 (20 ones specified in the firm contract + an option for another 20). The contract’s total amount is $8 billion.

    Various modifications of An-124 aircraft will be acquired within the framework of the contract, including Аn-124NG. It will have the extended range, reduced emission and noise footprint and increased fuel efficiency. The jet’s engines will have the service life of 70 000 flight hours. An-124NG will have the glass cockpit and new avionics.

    http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2012/4/13/924/
    compare this to what India is paying for the C-17.

    EMERCOM of Russia intends to acquire two An-124 “Ruslan” aircraft
    Russian Aviaton » Monday April 16, 2012 17:33 MSK

    EMERCOM of Russia is ready to acquire two An-124 aircraft intended for transportation of the oversized cargo, Izvestiya reports. However, these jets are not being manufactured now. That is why the Ministry is considering the acquisition of Il-76 aircraft.

    «We have confirmed our interest in Ruslan aircraft. But they need a large order to renew the production. We have ordered two An-124s», - Director of EMERCOM’s Federal State Unitary Aviation Enterprise, Rafael Zakirov, said.
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    The cost of one vehicle is about $300 million. And they need an order for at least 60 aircraft to renew the jet’s production and make the project profitable. It has been reported earlier by the vice-premier, Sergey Ivanov. Volga-Dnepr is ready to acquire 20 aircraft. The Ministry of Defense has also included the acquisition of these liners in its Program in the area of arms for 2012-2020 (some sources say that the ministry intends to acquire 20 jets).

    At present the fleet of EMERCOM includes 6 Be-200s, 6 cargo Il-76s, 2 transport Аn-74s, 2 Yak-42s and 2 long-haul Il-62s. 2 An-148s will be delivered to the Ministry in 2012. The jets will be used as the air control staff with a possibility of conversion into medevac aircraft.

    According to Zakirov, another 7 Be-200s will be delivered by 2016; the corresponding decisions have already been taken. The decision on 4 Il-76s (including two ones with the upgraded engines) and two Tu-214s (or Tu-204s) will be taken after 2015 depending on the state financing. It is not planned to expand the fleet of Il-62, Yak-42 or An-74 aircraft.

    http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2012/4/16/928/

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    Quote Originally Posted by JangBoGo View Post
    posted by a89 in Russian aviation thread...

    compare this to what India is paying for the C-17.
    But note that this order depends on the An-124 being modernised, & put back into production, for which a larger order was necessary than India was willing to commit to. It also implies some uncertainty in the delivery dates, performance, & ultimate cost.

    At worst, an Indian deal to buy modernised An-124s off a re-opened production line could have been another Gorshkov, with years of delays & demands for more money to complete the deal.

    India was able to buy C-17 from a functioning production line, with both delivery & performance assured.
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    The An 124 is in the C5 Galaxy class heavy lifter not comparable to the C-17.

    I don't believe India is in the market for a strategic heavy lifter.

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    http://tarmak007.blogspot.in/2012/04...light-one.html

    Bangalore: The naval variant (NP-1) of India's Light Combat Aircraft is ready. Having missed many deadlines like its air force avatar – Tejas, sources now confirm to Express that the Flight Readiness Review Board (FRRB) has cleared NP-1 for first flight. Rolled out on July 6, 2010 amidst cinematic settings and blessed by defence minister A K Antony, the NP-1 ran into a spate of technological challenges. As this piece goes live, the total systems onboard NP-1 have completed fault-free tests on Iron Bird – ahead of the possible maiden flight.
    Denied flight certification twice, third time lucky ?

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    http://www.scribd.com/doc/78345390/A...raft-LCA-Tejas

    ADA document on high AoA tests to be carried out on Tejas soon. Its a treasure trove for those looking out for Tejas' flight characteristics in the public domain.

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    DIAT to provide eyes and ears for country’s first armed war bird

    In an exclusive interview, DIAT Vice-Chancellor Prahlada said, “Scientists at DIAT are working on development of radars for the UCAV programme currently under way at ADA. The expected timeline for development of a prototype is about a year-and-a- half from now. The radar will provide C4ISR (command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance) capability to the aircraft. Research is on on development of lightweight radars to reduce weight of the aircraft, save maximum energy and provide realtime feedback to the control centre,” said Prahlada.

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    http://tarmak007.blogspot.in/2012/04...plete-ioc.html

    “Tejas sorties have seen an all-time increase in the last one month. Currently the PV-2, PV-3, LSPs 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 & 7 are flying. All the platforms have come out of the delay and the fuel tank concerns have been addressed. The re-arranging of the butting of fuel and hydraulic pipes is perfect now. We have clocked up to 30 sorties in March and hope to up it further,” HAL sources said.
    Team Tejas has lost over six months of crucial time in the flight programme during the last one year, leave alone the overall delay in the programme. The 13th and last aircraft from the Tejas development-phase flight-line (LSP-8) is scheduled to fly in June, while the 12th one flew recently.
    Sources say that the Tejas would head for another round of weapon trials in May and June as part of the IOC-2 schedule. “These trials would be spread across Goa, Pokhran, Jaisalmer, Chitradurga among others. K A Muthanna, the head of National Flight Test Centre – the nodal centre for Tejas test-flying – flew the Tejas last week. This was his first flight on Tejas,” sources said.

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