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    Quadbike Indian Air Force Thread Part 18

    US trying to sell the F-35 to India

    November 21, 2011 (by Jason Hodgkiss) - As reported in both mainstream and aviation focused media, that the US government has been pushing the 5th Gen Fighter the F-35 to the Indian Air Force. This is after recent success with the C-17 and the 737 based P-8I been sold to India.

    With India rejecting older generation U.S. aircraft -- the Lockheed's "Block 70" F-16 and the Boeing F-18 Hornet (including the Super Hornet) with New Delhi shortlisting European defence firms Dassault and Eurofighter for the contract for 126 jet fighters.

    Despite, India having embarked on the path to co-develop its own 5th-Gen fighter, based on the Russian Sukhoi T-50 prototype, with New Delhi and Moscow inking a $295-million preliminary design contract (PDC) last December.

    In a nine-page Pentagon report said the US Defense Department was continually looking for ways to expand defence cooperation with India, including joint development of arms as the military-to-military relationship matures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quadbike View Post
    I don't understand why they even try - with MMRCA selection soon to be announced, FGFA already selected, AMCA. F-35 brings no local assembly or TOT and nobody knows what it will cost.

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    Looks like the IA is trying its best to get its own aviation corps up and running with aviation assets for each of its Corps !

    This could mean increased orders for the Rudra attack helis and maybe even more LCH gunships..

    link to article

    New Delhi: The Indian Air Force may crib all it wants, but the Army is pressing on regardless - with its plans to have its own air force, albeit a 'mini' one. Fighter jets may not be on its wish-list, but the 1.13-million strong force wants everything else, from attack helicopters to fixed-wing aircraft.

    Army's long-term plans include a squadron each of attack/armed, reconnaissance/observation and tactical battle-support copters for each of its 13 corps. The three 'strike' corps, with HQs at Mathura (1 Corps), Ambala (2 Corps) and Bhopal (21 Corps) will get more 'air assets' in keeping with their primary offensive role, say sources.

    To top it off, each of Army's six regional or operational commands will at least get 'a flight' of five fixed-wing aircraft for tactical airlift of troops and equipment. "Army Aviation Corps, which is observing its 25th anniversary this month and operates around 250 light helicopters, has plans till the end of the 14th Plan (2022-27)," said a source.

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    Cut down mmrca to half! Buy F 35!
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldfire2005 View Post
    Still in talks?

    At this rate the AMCA won't even fly before 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldfire2005 View Post
    This is typical of how the Govt agencies shoot themselves in the foot by not releasing information in a timely manner, and affecting their perception. So while the public thought nothing was being done on the Snecma deal, the IAF was actually being canvassed for their clearance and the deal is apparently moving ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spitfire9 View Post
    I don't understand why they even try - with MMRCA selection soon to be announced, FGFA already selected, AMCA. F-35 brings no local assembly or TOT and nobody knows what it will cost.
    Actually, local assemby and some TOT has been granted to some of the partners(like the UK). Basically the more funding and orders you contribute to the project, the more you get. India stood to get a fair bit bit had it committed to the programme.

    Some have argued that the MMRCA circus was pointless when we can just buy a fifth-generation medium fighter that will join us in nearly the same timeframe.

    Well, if AMCA gets delayed some 10-15 years down the line we may see an F-MRCA between the F-35, the Silent Eagle and whatever South Korea manages to put on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witcha View Post
    Actually, local assemby and some TOT has been granted to some of the partners(like the UK). Basically the more funding and orders you contribute to the project, the more you get. India stood to get a fair bit bit had it committed to the programme.

    Some have argued that the MMRCA circus was pointless when we can just buy a fifth-generation medium fighter that will join us in nearly the same timeframe.

    Well, if AMCA gets delayed some 10-15 years down the line we may see an F-MRCA between the F-35, the Silent Eagle and whatever South Korea manages to put on the table.
    TOT - don't make me laugh. The Brits had an admiral stand up in the USA Congress and threaten to pull out of F-35 because of US refusal to co-operate on TOT. And Britain is the only Tier 1 partner, building more or less the rear half of the aircraft, so what hope would India have of getting TOT?

    By the way, I believe that Italy is to be the second F-35 line, not the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spitfire9 View Post
    TOT - don't make me laugh. The Brits had an admiral stand up in the USA Congress and threaten to pull out of F-35 because of US refusal to co-operate on TOT. And Britain is the only Tier 1 partner, building more or less the rear half of the aircraft, so what hope would India have of getting TOT?

    By the way, I believe that Italy is to be the second F-35 line, not the UK.
    Didn't the UK eventually get what they wanted(besides, of course, the source codes that have been denied to everyone)?

    With close to 200 potential orders(the largest outside of the US itself) plus more from the Indian Navy I daresay they'd be willing to accommodate an Indian assembly line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witcha View Post
    Didn't the UK eventually get what they wanted(besides, of course, the source codes that have been denied to everyone)?
    Like two, probably three, F-35B´s?

    Quote Originally Posted by Witcha View Post
    With close to 200 potential orders(the largest outside of the US itself) plus more from the Indian Navy I daresay they'd be willing to accommodate an Indian assembly line.
    Well, depends on what you call an assembly line, the Italian and the (proposed) Japanese line will assemble kits made in the USA, if that´s the idea, it might be possible.

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    IIRC the Turks were interested in an assembly line, but seem to have dropped the idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Witcha View Post
    Actually, local assemby and some TOT has been granted to some of the partners(like the UK). Basically the more funding and orders you contribute to the project, the more you get.
    Some confusion here. The partners are contributing technology to balance what they get. They had to bid for work designing and making parts. There was no work share agreement like that with Eurofighter. Paying part of the development cost got you the right to bid, it didn't guarantee work. The UK actually has more work than either its share of development costs or its expected order.

    One partner, Italy, has chosen to set up an assembly line (but hasn't done it yet), & that line will be just that - assembly. It will put together kits made of parts from the USA & the other partners, and the same Italian-made parts as will be in all the F-35s assembled in the USA. The Italians are hoping to supply some other partners, e.g. Turkey & the Netherlands, with Italian-assembled aircraft, but that's only a possibility, not something which has been decided.
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    Not sure if this has been posted before, but I love the unpainted look:

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    Indian Navy Chief Snipes Carrier Tejas



    The Naval Tejas programme really had this coming. After failing to get the LCA Navy airborne in January in what would have been the platform's hugely delayed first flight, Indian Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma has rebuked the programme for its performance and delays.

    Speaking to The Hindu at Port Blair, Admiral Verma has been quoted as saying, "They [ADA] focused largely on the Air Force programme and the LCA [Navy] did fall behind….

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    HAL Tejas is being developed for Indian army as LCA (Light combat aircraft) since 1983. Its main goal is to replace old MIG 21. In present is done prototype PV-3. In some details is similar with Mirage 2000. Aircraft is very small and it belongs among the smallest and the lightest in the world. This aircraft is being developed for Indian army as LCA (Light combat aircraft) since 1983. Its main goal is to replace old MIG 21. In present is done prototype PV-3. In some details is similar with Mirage 2000. Aircraft is very small and it belongs among the smallest and the lightest in the world.

    Indian Air Force- 40 LCA Mk.1 aircraft on order and plans to order total 180 LCA Mk.1/ 2 aircraft
    The Indian Navy has a requirement for 50 Tejas aircraft.

    Per Price: US$31 million

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