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Thread: The New "Wot Plane" Thread (For The Rules Of The Game, See Post #1)

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    So this thing that looks like a Piper Cub, albeit in a subtly unusual colour scheme was built as a Piper Cub but has been changed sufficiently to no longer be a Piper Cub?

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    Nothing like as modern as a Wag-Aero Sport Trainer, Avro Avian. It's much older. This one was first registered as such as far back as 1949!

    Laurence's analysis is very erudite. However I regret to say that, so far, I have not been able to find information that tells me exactly how this aeroplane differs from the Cub out of which it evolved.

    And finally, your analysis, L4X2, is quite correct!

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    "When I see a Cub I call it a Cub", to (slightly) misquote Oscar Wilde.
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    Smile A walk on the Wilde side!

    I'm glad to say that I have never seen a Cub. It is obvious that our social spheres have been widely different.

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    maybe a Poullin PJ-5 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wout View Post
    maybe a Poullin PJ-5 ?
    perhaps this one?

    http://www.pictaero.com/en/pictures/picture,30996

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    Looks like it!
    http://tagazous.free.fr/affichage.php?immat=F-BAQC
    I should have recognised that Betty Boop nose art.
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    I'm slightly dissapointed that it isn't a cub with a turbine in the nose or something

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    Sorry to intrude avion, but I am still trying to find what the modifications are!

    From http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contri...borg/11133.htm:

    01/31/2012. Remarks by Walter van Tilborg: "The PJ-5A was a modification of ex-military Piper J3 L-4 Cub aircraft developed by Frenchman Jean Poullin. Registered F-PDVD the pictured first aircraft flew during 1946 and had a 65 hp Continental O-170-3 (military A65) engine. Reregistered F-BDVD on November 8, 1949, it was followed by at least four more PJ-5A aircraft and a single
    PJ-5B."


    This one is the B model it seems.

    There is also a description of PJ-5A F-PDVP by Eric Janssonne on
    http://www.alsacehistoricflight.com/...ruck/FPDVP.htm
    Last edited by l.garey; 29th February 2012 at 08:56.
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    Not maybe, wout, it is the Poullin PJ 5B, F-BAQC, of the Association Amicale Alençonnaise des Avions Anciens. For confirmation of its registration details, see http://www.immat.aviation-civile.gou...13DA09F003967B. So over to you, wout!

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    Hi L4x2 !
    You asked for it . A Super Cub with turbine engine. To spoil the fun, it is not a true Super Cub, but a replica available via Smith Aviation. The engine is a Innodyne TAE165. Ask uncle Google for more info.

    Next wot plane will follow later today.
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    Excellent

    Now I want a cub powered by rockets!

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    liquid or solid fuel rockets??

    Something older this time.
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    Either a very early Bellanca or an early Mooney. I shall go for Mooney. I think one of the first was the AX
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    Hi Laurence
    the Mooney AX it is. I think it also went by the designation M-5.

    you have the helm, Sir

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    Thanks wout. I think the M5 referred to it being a 5 seater ... ?

    We have had an ASW22 that wasn't an ASW22, and a Piper Cub that wasn't a Piper Cub. Now try this one.

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    Smile The wot not plane thread?

    Was it once a Mauboussin M-12X series Corsaire - even if it had ceased to be that at the time of the image posted?

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    'ere we go again. It was once a Mauboussin M-123 Corsaire - even if it had ceased to be that at the time of the image posted.

    Take it from there.
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    The only M.123 described as having a canopy was the post-war conversion designated as the M.123M which was fitted with the 75 hp Minié 4DC32 flat four engine - although it is not entirely clear to me whether this metamorphosed further by being fitted subsequently with a 60 hp Salmson 9Adr, then a Continental (of some sort) and finally a 105 hp Hirth. The engine in the picture looks as if it might be a Continental. If so, then the wot plane probably is F-BCEP.

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    I have a photo of a M123 with a canopy (F-PAOF). However, it is not what we are looking for. Nor is it F-BCEP.
    No, don't think Piper Cub, .... sorry, don't think M123: think of something different.
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    On further consideration, it looks like F-PBHQ. However that is registered as a M.123. The only M.123 derivative that I can find, that goes under a name other than Mauboussin, is the Metalair 1. However I have only found one picture of this aeroplane - F-PCNX - and this shows it as having an in line engine and open cockpits. But against the possibility that this design was further modified by the installation of a flat engine and a canopy - and as I have no other ideas - I'll try Metalair 1!
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    This gets tough. It is indeed F-PBHQ, but it was converted from an M123 by Pierre Grenet in 1959, and rebaptised Bison PG-2: http://mar.co.uk/photo-list.asp?cate...00&Start=17670 (page 19).

    It was reconverted to a M123 in 1990. It may still exist:
    http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15382
    Scroll down to almost the end, and also see the comments.

    Anyway, over to you avion.
    Y'en a marre.
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    My apologies for the delay.

    This one, some of you may be glad to hear, is exactly what it is and not a derivative of any sort! There are certain features that may make it easily recognisable - so if it lasts only minutes, well that's just life!
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    I wonder how long this one will stick around?

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    I'm sure there'll be quite a hunt for it.......

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    In view of the fun you're having, John and wilkofife, I'll get my clue in early. To seek the identity of this wotplane, you'll need thimbles, care, forks and hope. But take care, for it may be a Boojum!

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    And it might make a lot of noise, if it is in France (du bruit). Interestingly it flew from where I learned to fly, which is not far from my hometown of Peterborough.
    So no one wants to give it a name ...
    Laurence

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    I suspect that the reason why no-one has given it a name, Laurence, is that all are fearful that in the midst of the word they would be trying to say, in the midst of their laughter and glee, they might softly and suddenly vanish away, for it is a Boojum, you see!

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    As I once said before, when I see a Snark I call it a Snark.
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    Are you still there, Laurence? You haven't, I hope, softly and suddenly vanished away! But assuming you haven't, I think that you've gone sufficiently far toward identifying the De Bruyne Snark to have to assume responsibility for the next wotplane. And please don't post a picture of a Jubjub, you know the version armed with a Lewis gun that's mentioned in the old Carroll!

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