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  • 90inFIRST
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    • Oct 2008
    • 240

    CVF Construction

    Several people said "lets start a thread on the construcion of CVF" but they haven't so here we go folks! I would like to know all the latest info or more excitingly pictures of the consruction of Queen and Prince
  • Super Nimrod
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Dec 2005
    • 1053

    #2
    Great idea, and lets just keep it to the actual construction itself rather than the long tortuous political road to its construction.

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    • Frosty
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      • Jan 2008
      • 334

      #3
      First cut Picture

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      • pjhydro
        Rank 4 Registered User
        • Apr 2009
        • 886

        #4
        Well thats an anti-climax. Where's the blokes with massive hammers, huge molten pots of metal, skips full of rivets? The romance is all gone.

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        • Frosty
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Jan 2008
          • 334

          #5
          Pictures of the Island Mock up to test the arrangement of the Islands it is currently being constructed on the isle of Wight.

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          • kev 99
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Aug 2008
            • 1535

            #6
            Originally posted by Frosty View Post
            Pictures of the Island Mock up to test the arrangement of the Islands it is currently being constructed on the isle of Wight.
            That second picture, a mock up of a mock up. Odd.

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            • Frosty
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jan 2008
              • 334

              #7
              List of current major contracts.


              * North East
              Wholeship Pumps - 4M
              Uptakes and Downtakes - 8M
              Modular Cabins and Wet Spaces 23M
              Furniture Matrix - 4.5M

              * South East
              Galley Equipment - 3.5M

              * South West
              Vertical Landing Aids (VLA) - 7M
              Gas Turbine - 19M
              Integrated Plaform Management System (IPMS) - 21M
              Low Voltage (LV) - 25M
              Shaftline & Propeller - 22M

              * Midlands
              Heavily Mechanised Weapons Handling System (HMWHS) 33M
              High Voltage (HV) - 79M

              * Yorkshire
              Steel - 63M

              * Scotland
              Aircraft Lifts - 13M
              Doors and Hatches - 4M

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              • Frosty
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jan 2008
                • 334

                #8
                Pictures showing the current super block build strategy.

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                • Grim901
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • May 2009
                  • 1143

                  #9
                  Why is BAE Sub Systems building half an aircraft carrier?!?! Especially when one of the major arguments against 8 Astutes was that they didn't have the capcity to meet it before the new SSBNs were needed.

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                  • kev 99
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 1535

                    #10
                    I thought Barrow had been withdrawn from building any sections of CVF so it could concentrate on subs?

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                    • Frosty
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 334

                      #11
                      Yeah you guys are right block 3 is going to be built by BVT on the Clyde due to the lack of capacity at Barrow but apparently Barrow will still be supplying engineering services to block 3 construction. I got those pictures from the Royal Navy sit and assumed they would be correct. Sorry for any confusion.

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                      • Grim901
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • May 2009
                        • 1143

                        #12
                        Originally posted by kev 99 View Post
                        I thought Barrow had been withdrawn from building any sections of CVF so it could concentrate on subs?
                        Originally posted by Frosty View Post
                        Yeah you guys are right block 3 is going to be built by BVT on the Clyde due to the lack of capacity at Barrow but apparently Barrow will still be supplying engineering services to block 3 construction. I got those pictures from the Royal Navy sit and assumed they would be correct. Sorry for any confusion.
                        Cheers for clearing that up.

                        But again it begs the question, if current capacity isn't enough, why not expand the capacity? That is has been the norm ever since the industrial revolution, why stop now?

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                        • kev 99
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 1535

                          #13
                          Because it would cost money and the Government doesn't seem to want to spend any on the military.

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                          • Super Nimrod
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 1053

                            #14
                            You are not going to believe this, but the Carriers may well get produced as CATOBAR Last minute change being considered (read the article thoroughly)

                            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...er-engine.html



                            Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!

                            I bet the designers are furious as we flip flop about never seeming to make up our minds ................
                            Last edited by Super Nimrod; 6th August 2009, 08:34.

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                            • StevoJH
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 1024

                              #15
                              Wont happen, the F136 is the alternate engine for F35's of all models. The F135 is currently powering all the prototypes including the F35B prototype. US government stopped funding the F136 a couple of years ago.
                              Can't wait to join the 'real' world. Hopefully only one week to go....

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                              • Stan hyd
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • May 2009
                                • 605

                                #16
                                I would cry with Joy if this did happen.

                                F-35 C with more range, better internal space. The ability to use the hawkeyes ability to buy C-2 grey hounds.

                                Also the ability for French and American planes to land aboard the CVFs - i know this is stupid but I always got a little jealous watching the French pilots launching of the US carriers.

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                                • swerve
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jun 2005
                                  • 13610

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Super Nimrod View Post
                                  You are not going to believe this, but the Carriers may well get produced as CATOBAR Last minute change being considered (read the article thoroughly)

                                  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...er-engine.html



                                  Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!

                                  I bet the designers are furious as we flip flop about never seeming to make up our minds ................
                                  No, just some reporter noticing what has always been true (the carriers are designed to be converted to take catapults & there is a Plan B in case the F-35B goes sour) & jumping to completely unwarranted conclusions. As the minister said on the Today programme this morning, no final decision has been taken, but the F-35B remains the preferred option, as it always had. Nothing has changed. There is no news.
                                  Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
                                  Justinian

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                                  • MisterQ
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Jan 2008
                                    • 475

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by StevoJH View Post
                                    Wont happen, the F136 is the alternate engine for F35's of all models. The F135 is currently powering all the prototypes including the F35B prototype. US government stopped funding the F136 a couple of years ago.
                                    Uh, no, the F136 keeps getting funded by congress, it's hapening again this year, and the article has nothing to do with the choice between F135 and F136 it's all about the RR lift fan that goes in every "B" model regardless of engine choice.

                                    "B" or "C" for the royal navy has always depended on 3 things, which plane is better, how well EMALS was coming along and cost.

                                    The big question is where would this leave the RAF?

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                                    • Grim901
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • May 2009
                                      • 1143

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by MisterQ View Post
                                      Uh, no, the F136 keeps getting funded by congress, it's hapening again this year, and the article has nothing to do with the choice between F135 and F136 it's all about the RR lift fan that goes in every "B" model regardless of engine choice.

                                      "B" or "C" for the royal navy has always depended on 3 things, which plane is better, how well EMALS was coming along and cost.

                                      The big question is where would this leave the RAF?
                                      Is there an alternative to the RR lift fan easily available, or will the US still purchase them? And the F136 cancellation attempts have been stepped up this year, especially with the new administration trying to cancel them.

                                      I had thought about the RAF question too, I assume that they'd still get half the aircraft, that or the RN would get all of them (but a lot less than the 150 originally planned) and the RAF would get none, or be promised more of whatever they plan on replacing the GR4 with. I have a feeling this will turn into another RAF/RN turf war if the govt. indicates they may only buy enough for the RN, which seems more likely if the CV is being purchased. RAF can't justify needing a normal aircraft that is altered for carrier use. I guess there's no chance of it being split between A and C versions. They are more similar to each other than the B version.

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                                      • Bager1968
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • May 2005
                                        • 3635

                                        #20
                                        The RR lift fan is going in every F-35B that will be built for anyone (currently USMC, Spain, Italy, & RAF/RN).
                                        Germany, Austria and Italy are standing together in the middle of the pub, when Serbia bumps into Austria, and spills Austria's pint.

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