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  • mpa
    mpa
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    First french Horizon frigate at sea

    DDG Forbin begins its sea trials
    Last edited by mpa; 27th March 2007, 18:15.
  • Neptune
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    #2
    pooh pooh pooh, anyone seen anything as ugly as this (except for Maresesti)??? Those ugly funnels and masts... YUK!
    All in all probably not a bad ship if everything works.

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    • Gollevainen
      The Hermit

      #3
      hey, Marasesti is a good loking ship...in certain angles
      Anyway, I've never really understud the idea of the two OTO guns in the B position...wouldn't one single gun, bigger in calibre in the A position (and to move the Sylvester VLS more closer to the bridge) be more cost'effective??
      God wanted to create world and figured out that it would take ten days
      ...Gollevainen gave him six...

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      • Khazaria
        Junior Member

        #4
        Originally posted by Gollevainen
        hey, Marasesti is a good loking ship...in certain angles
        Anyway, I've never really understud the idea of the two OTO guns in the B position...wouldn't one single gun, bigger in calibre in the A position (and to move the Sylvester VLS more closer to the bridge) be more cost'effective??
        can some one post a pic of this Mărăşeşti class, I'm very curious to how ugly it is

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          Terran

          #5
          I think it is a good looking ship.

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          • voront
            Rank 5 Registered User

            #6
            she looks very top heavy or is it just me?

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            • Super Nimrod
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              #7
              The general outline really is very similar to the T45 isn't it ?

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              • worthyone
                Senior Member

                #8
                No stealth??? No way!!! That thing has gotta have a large signature, right?

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                • snake65
                  Rank 5 Registered User

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Neptune
                  pooh pooh pooh, anyone seen anything as ugly as this (except for Maresesti)??? Those ugly funnels and masts... YUK!
                  All in all probably not a bad ship if everything works.
                  It's just De Zeven Provincen pushed to the utmost in order to bring radars as high as possible (and even more than sensible) :diablo:

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                  • Jonesy
                    Neo-conversative

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Super Nimrod
                    The general outline really is very similar to the T45 isn't it ?
                    Only in the most general sense i.e sig reduction slabs and a tall mainmast!. Everything else...yeesh...I'm with Neptune - thats a butt-ugly ship.

                    Romanian frigate Maresesti only slightly more scary to see on the high seas!

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                    • voront
                      Rank 5 Registered User

                      #11
                      there are similarity to the TYPE 45, I just think the 45 has a neater look

                      The Romanian frigate Maresesti looks like an exercise in how many weapons can we pile on before it looks crowed
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                      • Khazaria
                        Junior Member

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jonesy
                        Only in the most general sense i.e sig reduction slabs and a tall mainmast!. Everything else...yeesh...I'm with Neptune - thats a butt-ugly ship.

                        Romanian frigate Maresesti only slightly more scary to see on the high seas!
                        thanks for the pictures! I don't think its that ugly.. just looks very typical Eastern Bloc. Did the Romanians build this themselves or is it something some other country built that they bought? sorry i'm kinda noob with these things

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                        • Jonesy
                          Neo-conversative

                          #13
                          Khazaria,

                          Not a problem!. Guess what you've written there proves Gollevainens point about it looking sort of ok from some angles!. If I could find a beam shot you'd see Neptunes point a lot clearer - the thing looks like a housing estate built on a very unexciting hull!. Rather uninspiring!.

                          This is what Andrew Toppan says bout the design (which I think is a touch harsh - but probably accurate)

                          Marasesti patrol destroyer

                          Displacement: 5,790 tons full load
                          Dimensions: 144.6 x 14.80 x 4.90 meters/474.4 x 48.5 x 16 feet
                          Propulsion: 4 diesels, 4 shafts, 32,000 bhp, 27 knots
                          Crew: 270
                          Radar: MR-302 Strut Curve air/surf search
                          Sonar: MF hull
                          Fire Control: Harpun/Plank Shave missile targeting
                          EW: 2 PK-16 decoy
                          Aviation: aft flight deck and hangar for 2 Aloutte-III helicopters
                          Armament: 8 SS-N-2C SSM, 2 dual 76.2mm/59cal DP, 2 dual 30 mm AA, 2 SA-N-5 SAM positions, 2 RBU-6000 ASW RL
                          Concept/Program: A completely Romanian design. Was laid up almost immediately after commissioning as she was found to be extremely unstable due to excess topweight. Extensively modified 1988-1992 to partially correct topweight problems. Of limited combat value, as she lacks effective SAMs & modern SSMs, and has no centralized combat system. A limited modernization is planned, for completion in 2006.

                          Builders: Santierul 2 Mai, Mangalia.


                          Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes
                          11 Marasesti 1985/92 BLK Mangalia ex-Muntenia

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                          • Austin
                            Rank 5 Registered User

                            #14
                            Forbin certainly looks good , certainly not the most attractive but she is definately not ugly neither is she Top Heavy. There is some thinking in placing those mast high , Should beneft her LR Radars , she has some interesting shapes for mast , funnel etc.

                            The concept of twin main gun is interesting , All in All a Nice ship.
                            "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                            • Neptune
                              Rank 5 Registered User

                              #15
                              I think one of the most points that benefits to the ugliness of the ship is the funnel arrangement, one in front to port, one in the back to starboard... And the shape of those funnels isn't exactly "naval" looking either. Maybe they can build an apartment block like that in a city (and they'd probably win a prize with it).

                              Golle, I still have to figure out which angle that would be... One 90 on top maybe?? Or the lower angles from underwater? Damn, a thorne in my eye!

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                              • Gollevainen
                                The Hermit

                                #16


                                It can be placed so that the all the superstructures manifest some sort of menacy rather than poor seakeeping....

                                Thougth In Convays all the fighting ships 1947-1995 has a picture of it whit errosleysly dimensions and the ship looks there alot longer thus not making it look much more normal "eastern" big combatant....

                                Anyway Marasesti was build in the grandiose and megalomanic later years of Chaucescus rule. I heard rumour that it was orginally laid down as passenger cruiser but then converted to a warship thats is completely out of any tactical purpose, its weapon and radar systems are more like of Tarantul-1 class missile Fac than of destroyer size ship...no AAW nor ASW. One thing that intrest is that it is usually quoted whit diesel engines that can drive it up to 32 knots
                                God wanted to create world and figured out that it would take ten days
                                ...Gollevainen gave him six...

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                                • Fedaykin
                                  Fueled by Tea

                                  #17
                                  Of course Romania now has a couple of Batch 2 Type 22, I believe that there are still some aspects to sort out in respects of armament.

                                  They are fitted with a 76mm Super Rapid and MICA VL but as of yet no surface to surface missile. I think I read somewhere that the Romanian navy hadn't yet chosen a anti ship missile type.
                                  Last edited by Fedaykin; 19th December 2006, 17:14.
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                                  • Turbinia
                                    Rank 5 Registered User

                                    #18
                                    The reason for selecting a rotating radar antenna (as in Horizon and Type 45) as opposed to the slab type SPY was to enable it to be mounted higher up to increase performance and retain good stability ( a problem if you mount the SPY the way Spain does on the F100). And these ships do have low radar signature technology, they're as stealthy as any other warships of that size.

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                                    • tomcat1974
                                      Rank 5 Registered User

                                      #19
                                      Romanian Navy Type-22 Frigate don't have any kind of weapons on them except the OTO Melara gun. Supposely the additional weapons will be addded during seccond upgrade program 2007-2008.

                                      Marasesti was launched as pasager carrier. at least the hull. Then designated Cruiser -> Destroyer and finally Frigate. And no way in hell can't reach more than 28kt on its engines. The ship server more likelly as experience gathering for the Military ships building for Romania. In my opinion the Tetal2 looks a lot better than Marasesti.
                                      As a mention , not a single Romanian Navy ship has a SAM system mounted (except some SA-7 MANPADS). ASW was presentin the orm of sonars and grenade launchers.

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                                      • sealordlawrence
                                        Senior Member

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by tomcat1974
                                        Romanian Navy Type-22 Frigate don't have any kind of weapons on them except the OTO Melara gun. Supposely the additional weapons will be addded during seccond upgrade program 2007-2008.

                                        Marasesti was launched as pasager carrier. at least the hull. Then designated Cruiser -> Destroyer and finally Frigate. And no way in hell can't reach more than 28kt on its engines. The ship server more likelly as experience gathering for the Military ships building for Romania. In my opinion the Tetal2 looks a lot better than Marasesti.
                                        As a mention , not a single Romanian Navy ship has a SAM system mounted (except some SA-7 MANPADS). ASW was presentin the orm of sonars and grenade launchers.
                                        I have seen several sources claiming that the Romanian Type-22's have VL-Mica fitted, with the VLS cells being located where the Sea-wolf radar director would have originally been mounted.

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