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  • qantaz
    Senior Member

    Originally posted by Wanshan
    Well, I doubt the PN fleet will be expanded much. We'll see replacement of 6 ex-RN Type 21s (Amazon) and 2 Type 12s (Leander) with something newer, maybe a small expansion from 8 to 12 ships. Not a whole lot more. Maybe 4 ex-US Perry class, 4 ex-Greece/Dutch Kortenaer class and first 4 home built F22P. That's qualitative and numerical improvement over current assets. PN doesn't need to be much bigger in terms of major surface combattants.

    I doubt PN would go for 4 OHP. They were offered a spruance class destroyer, but they seemed to prefer 2 OHP over it. I am guessing that PN will look to obtain 4 kortenaer, 4 F-22p and 2 Perry class to have a strength of 10 frigates. They would most likely try to expand their submarine arm to 5-6 newer subs.

    The question is would they retire the amazons. The leanders are very old and not really combat worthy. The amazons are only 5-6 year older than the kortnaer class, can't they be structurally upgraded or something?

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    • Wanshan
      Senior Member

      Originally posted by qantaz
      Err these 25 year old garbage are a threat to the IN beacuse??? The older Godavari /Rajput class are newer than these and have a larger displacement. The author also seemed to have forgotten P-17 and newer talwar class. If P-17a is ordered by 2014 there will be 15-18 frigates along with 8-10 destroyers. This article just loos lie psy-ops to make the govt expedite the process of ship acquisition.
      Rajput class may have a newer build date but is course a much older design than Dutch S(tandaard)-Frigate, which in addition has newer generation weaponry. As for Godavari, that's a modification of a UK Leander class. In dutch service, the S-frigates of the Kortenaer class replaced the Van Speijk class, a dutch Leander derivative. So go figure. No, they are not the most modern ships but they are good ships with plenty of life left in them. And compared to the Type 21 Amazons the PN currently operate, the S-frigates have at least 3 advantages: a) hulls never had to be strengthened to conteract hull crackling, b) were never pushed to the extent the Amazons were, including in Falkland war combat, c) more balanced armament, with more and better SAM and AShM and more space for helicopter.

      Comparison with Talwar and P17 is apples and orange, better comparison would then be with M-frigate of the Doorman class and LCF (Zeven Provincien class)

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      • qantaz
        Senior Member

        These ships have been used by 2 navies dutch and greek. So why are we assuming they have not gone through any wear and tear. The Type-21 were bought in early 90's when they were 18-20 years old. These ships have seen 25-28 years of service. The rajputs are newer and will be upgraded with brahmos and baraks. I don't think these ships are a great threat to rajputs or godavs. I am ofcourse assuming that godavs also get brahmos and already have baraks. The godav hulls are based on leanders but they are completely different inside. I would have assumed you knew this.

        Of course for PN it is a step up from what they operate currrently, but I still think shelling out more money for the type-23's would have been a more sensible step that buying 25-28 year old ships.

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        • Petros
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          well, here some new photo's from ZUBRs drill "Sarisa 2006"

          src: http://www.geetha.mil.gr/index.asp?a...13&news_id=263
          Last edited by Petros; 28th November 2007, 08:36.

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          • Wanshan
            Senior Member

            Originally posted by qantaz
            These ships have been used by 2 navies dutch and greek. So why are we assuming they have not gone through any wear and tear. The Type-21 were bought in early 90's when they were 18-20 years old. These ships have seen 25-28 years of service. The rajputs are newer and will be upgraded with brahmos and baraks. I don't think these ships are a great threat to rajputs or godavs. I am ofcourse assuming that godavs also get brahmos and already have baraks. The godav hulls are based on leanders but they are completely different inside. I would have assumed you knew this.

            Of course for PN it is a step up from what they operate currrently, but I still think shelling out more money for the type-23's would have been a more sensible step that buying 25-28 year old ships.
            For the last pair of S-frigates, delivered post 2000, the Greeks paid only about 37 million each. So, I doubt PN will pay much more. As for threat to IN, the primary role of these ships is ASW, not anti-ship. By your reasoning any Harpoon equipped ship is not a threat to Barak equipped Rajput class ships, which is of course not the case. Also, I would think there are difference between the Godavari's (P16) and the Brahmaputras (P16A), with the latter being more modern. The former I'm not too sure about as they represent INs first attempt at combining 'western' and 'eastern' armaments, electronics and sensors.


            No one is assuming the Standard frigates have zero wear and tear. However, they have very been carefully maintained, regularly upgraded, have seen less intensive use than Type 21s, and have no structural problems like the hull crackling of the Type 21. That, plus their slightly younger age, makes for ships which will last just a bit longer.

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            • Petros
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              some pics from the ceremony of the rising of the flag for KRYSTALIDHS (P-69) "SUPER VITA" Class boat, found on:

              http://www.hellenicnavy.gr/newsphotos.asp?new_id=970
              Attached Files

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              • Alepou 340MB
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                Repost from Pytheas on an other site.

                The first picture from inside the Papanikolis:




                You can see the consoles of the ISUS 90-15 combat management and weapons control system, and the Attack Periscope SERO 400EO in the center.
                (scanned by the Hellenic Defence magazine of June 2006)

                Cheers,
                Alepou 340MB
                Superior tactics can always defeat superior numbers.

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                • Petros
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                  According the Hellenic Defence magazine of June 2006, Egypt is interesting buying Hellenic submarines Type 209-1100/Neptune 1 ("Glaukos" class).

                  So after the "S" class, frigates, Hellenic nave turns to account and the old, but modernized recently (1990-2000) Glaukos Submarines. According always to the magazine, the only problem is that Egypt is used to pay via FMS as the major supplier is USA. So it sugests to buy on behalf of Greece equiment from USA via FMS and swap them with the Subs.

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                  • Sword of Talos
                    Junior Member

                    The inside of the papanikolis looks like the inside of a spaceship veeeeery cool pic

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                    • Alepou 340MB
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                      Hellenic Navy Week picturerama!!!


                      Section 1) On the water.











                      Superior tactics can always defeat superior numbers.

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                      • Alepou 340MB
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                        Section 2) Hitting the Beach.












                        Now thats how you keep your spot on the beach people!!


                        The Star of the Show!!





                        All pictures from www.Hellenicnavy.gr

                        Click the links below to download the hi-rez pictures!
                        http://www.hellenicnavy.gr/newsphotos.asp?new_id=996#
                        http://www.hellenicnavy.gr/newsphotos.asp?new_id=997#


                        Cheers,
                        Alepou 340MB
                        Superior tactics can always defeat superior numbers.

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                        • beleg
                          Member

                          Originally posted by Alepou 340MB
                          Section 2) Hitting the Beach.





                          Cheers,
                          Alepou 340MB
                          They really need to clean the beach.. Not from enemies but from the trash... Tourists suck!

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                          • Alepou 340MB
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                            HS P-68 "DANIOLOS" Super Vita Missile Fast Patrol Boat.

                            Original picture from www.Hellenicnavy.gr

                            Cheers,
                            Alepou 340MB
                            Superior tactics can always defeat superior numbers.

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                            • Chakos
                              Member

                              Yeia sas,

                              How many Super Vita's does the Greek Navy intend to build? Those look like fantastic warships for Agean/Mediterranean operations and i think that it would be wise for at some stage in the future for them to comprise of the bulk of the combat capacity of the Greek Navy... oh, and the Cypriot Navy for that matter too (but i think im dreaming there on that one)

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                              • Alepou 340MB
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                                The re-delivery of the frigate F-462 KOUNTOURIOTIS after the completion of the mid-Life upgrade program will take place on 12 September 2006 at Greek Ship yards Skaramagka

                                Link is in Greek only.
                                http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/ind...=695&Itemid=51
                                Superior tactics can always defeat superior numbers.

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                                • Rob L
                                  Rank 5 Registered User

                                  @Chakos: 5 are on contract with VT/Elefsis. According to Janes it is likely that at least another 3 are purchased on top of that. They also say it could replace most of Greece's Combattante FAC fleet which iirc is currently about 15 ships. So in the end Greece will have something between 8 and 20 Super Vitas.

                                  Link: http://www.janes.com/defence/naval_f...0714_1_n.shtml

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                                  • Alepou 340MB
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                                    Delivery of the S Class Frigate Kountouriotis

                                    (Source: ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems; issued Sept. 12, 2006)

                                    On Tuesday September 12th, 2006, the S Class Frigate Kountouriotis was delivered to the Hellenic Navy, during a ceremony that took place in the premises of Hellenic Shipyards S.A. in Skaramangas. Rear Admiral I. Karaiskos H.N., Deputy Chief of Fleet, attended the ceremony.

                                    The Frigate Kountouriotis is the first of the six S Class frigates to be modernized for the Hellenic Navy. HS Kountouriotis, underwent extensive and demanding sea trials following her modernization, having had all her systems successfully tested and is now ready to join again the Hellenic Navy.

                                    The Hellenic Ministry of Defense awarded the S class frigates contract to Hellenic Shipyards in 2003. The foreseen end of this program is October 2009.

                                    The modernization scope of work is mainly the renewal of most of the sensors and weapon systems, the installation of a new tactical combat system, the modernization of the communication and navigation systems, the replacement of the propulsion, monitoring and control system (IPMS) and some other platform modernization works.

                                    These developments render the vessels particularly effective in meeting the specific operational needs of the Hellenic Navy and represent a significant and important step in the process of modernization that the Hellenic Navy is carrying out.

                                    Two more frigates are being currently modernized in the premises of Hellenic Shipyards S.A., Frigate Adrias and Frigate Navarino. Frigate Adrias is planned to be delivered to the Hellenic Navy in November 2006.

                                    With regard to the frigate delivery, Mr. Thies Stueber, Member of the Board and COO of Hellenic Shipyards S.A. stated: This is a fine example of the work of Hellenic Shipyards, supported by the know-how of ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems. Hellenic Shipyards S.A. is becoming a technologically advanced shipyard and we will continue to invest in that direction.

                                    -ends-
                                    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi...&modele=jdc_34

                                    Cheers,
                                    Alepou 340MB
                                    Last edited by Alepou 340MB; 27th September 2006, 23:38.
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                                    • Alepou 340MB
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                                      Fifth Hellenic Navy FAC to Be Launched

                                      (Source: VT Group; issued Oct. 16, 2006)

                                      VT Shipbuilding, working in partnership with Elefsis Shipbuilding, will launch the fifth of class 62m. fast attack craft for the Hellenic Navy at the Elefsis shipyard on October 9.

                                      The ship, which will be named HS Ritsos, is the latest milestone in a successful project that sees VT, working through Greek subsidiary VT Hellas, and Elefsis partnered to build five FACs, with an option for two more ships likely to be taken up in the future.

                                      Three of the highly sophisticated craft are already service and have already demonstrated their capability operating out of the base at Amfialia, an outstation of Salamis Naval Base.

                                      VT has played a valuable role in helping Elefsis to build a ship that has won widespread admiration. Initially, the VT team worked with Elefsis in a 40 million Euro investment on upgrading the expansive shipyard ready for the new project, investing in a new assembly hall and offices, plus new shell rolls, panel line, laser cutting and pipe bending machinery.

                                      Detailed construction drawings of the Super Vita were then given to the Greek shipyard ready for the start of production with VT and Elefsis management working together and with Elefsis interfacing with the Hellenic Navy. Another key link in the chain was back in the UK where most of the ship equipments were procured by VT Shipbuilding before being sent to Greece.

                                      Once the ships were structurally complete and the platform systems set to work by Elefsis, VT took over the task of weapons integration, setting to work and sea trials prior to final finishing off and handover to the Hellenic Navy.

                                      VT Hellas project Director Bruce Balchin explains: Our responsibility was a lot at the front end before Elefsis took over the middle and the ship came back to VT for the last part of the programme. Now the first three ships are delivered the Hellenic Navy are delighted with them.

                                      The FACs have an established pedigree based on smaller 56-metre vessels built for Qatar, Oman and Kenya. One of the most impressive aspects saw the first-of-class ship, HS Roussen, identified with only a minimal number of defects to be corrected when she was inspected before hand-over indeed, even less than the latter Sandown Class minehunters built at Woolston.

                                      Mr Balchin adds: The Hellenic Navy is a demanding customer but we have worked closely with Elefsis and the HN to a deliver a first class ship that ranks among the most advanced FACs in the world today. The design has already attracted interest from other potential customers.

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                                      http://www.defense-aerospace.com










                                      Pictures from hellenicnavy.gr
                                      Superior tactics can always defeat superior numbers.

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                                      • Alepou 340MB
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                                        Pictures from TRIAL SPARTAN HAMMER 2006 - TSH06 Exercise Greece.





                                        Pictures from NATO website, link below:
                                        http://www.nato.int/multi/photos/2006/m061109a.htm
                                        Superior tactics can always defeat superior numbers.

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                                        • gunner5"
                                          Rank 5 Registered User

                                          German shipbuilding company rejected on Thursday Greek criticism of an advanced fuel-cell-powered submarine, the Papanikolis, that has been bought by the Greek Navy.

                                          An Athens official said earlier in the day Greece was refusing to take delivery of the 65-metre-long submarine, which has a displacement of 1,700 tons, because it did not meet "international standards."

                                          In Hamburg, the ThyssenKrupp company said the Papanikolis had been the prototype of the new Type 214 series and various problems had emerged during a year and a half of testing it at sea. These had been fixed.

                                          "Technically, it meets the agreed terms, and it is a very good submarine," said a company spokeswoman.

                                          The Papanikolis is the first of four submarines of the type being sold to the Greek Navy. The other three are to be built at Hellenic Shipyards near Athens. The Type 214 was developed for export and has some similarities to the Type 212A supplied to the German Navy.

                                          The hybrid power includes a fuel cell so that the submarines can remain under water for many days at a stretch.

                                          Greece`s deputy government spokesman, Evangelos Antonaros, said earlier Thursday that Athens would not accept delivery of the vessel unless it fulfilled all the requirements and international standards.

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