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    Kynda class cruisers ( sorry not really an aviation question)

    I notice that the kynda class cruisers were operational till the end of 1990

    what was the purpose of keeping an old ship like that operational till then ? when all equivalent enemy ships were armed with Harpoons which was superior to shaddock in all except range ?

    The only purposes I could think of was

    1-Kynda would be used as "single shot " ships will launch all their 8 missiles way outside the range of Harpoon and then hopefully try to run like hell for homeport or would soak up Harpoons intended for more modern ships

    2-They could be used in ASUW role against those surface ships NOT armed with Harpoon or other ASM, so they cannot return fire

    3-They will use their legacy shaddocks in a land attack role ?

    4-They were reserves that carried Nuke armed Shaddocks which could in a salvo wipe out a flotilla of ships if successful or perish trying to do so

    any thoughts ? ideas ?

    #2
    P-35 has a range of 250 km straight. It was enough for the 80ies. And it could use a nuclear warhead. Kyndas never were alone, so they had not to scoot after fire their Pityorkas.

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      #3
      ^ 250 km striaght meaning w/o OTH guidance ?
      but the flight profile of P-35 was such that it was very easy to intercept for lets says sea sparrow SAM ?

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        #4
        BTW, the Kyndas had eight ready missiles and eight reload missiles.
        Sea Sparrow was really effective against missiles. The early Sea Sparrow with Mk115 director was man steered and not able to shoot down missiles. The more modern Mk91 director may be theoretical able to do it, but I am sure it was not really effective against missiles. The flight path of P-35 was unfavorable for Sea Sparrow and better suited for Terrier and Tartar. The P-35 flew with 1.3 mach, the reaction time was very short for Sea Sparrow. P-35 flew around 100m above sea for the last miles to the ship. It was removed in 2003. There were enough replacements for P-35 around in the Soviet/Russian Navy much earlier and why it was not replaced? It seems it was still effective.

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          #5
          BTW, the Kyndas had eight ready missiles and eight reload missiles.
          but I've read they could not reload at sea
          Sea Sparrow was really effective against missiles.
          Did you mean NOT very effective
          The early Sea Sparrow with Mk115 director was man steered and not able to shoot down missiles. The more modern Mk91 director may be theoretical able to do it, but I am sure it was not really effective against missiles
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          When do you think the more modern Mk91 director was common ? in the late 80s

          The flight path of P-35 was unfavorable for Sea Sparrow and better suited for Terrier and Tartar. The P-35 flew with 1.3 mach, the reaction time was very short for Sea Sparrow. P-35 flew around 100m above sea for the last miles to the ship. It was removed in 2003. There were enough replacements for P-35 around in the Soviet/Russian Navy much earlier and why it was not replaced? It seems it was still effective.
          So sea sparrow was essentially point defence ? could an average 80s DD or FFG with 1 sea sparrow launcher with 2 directors shoot down 6 -8 P-35s ? if not then it seems like each kynda can knock out two DD or FFG !

          BTW thank you so much for answering my questions I really appreciate the valuable info esp about the P-35
          Last edited by nastle; 6th June 2018, 06:26.

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            #6
            Sorry, I mean Sea Sparrow was NOT really effective against missiles.

            I thing, from mid 70ies the most ships had Mk91 directors. Sea Sparrows was a point defence system against aircrafts. It could not really shoots down P-35. But in the 70ies there were some sort of soft defence available like chaff and ECM. I don't know how prone P-35 was to chaff or ECM.

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              #7
              What a curious question.

              Admiral Golovko was the Black Sea Flagship, long after it was a viable combat asset. The Command Function and Afloat HQ for the Admiral was what kept this 'in service' for so long.
              There were only four of them and while they kept their crews operational while they were at sea I doubt that they would have been considered 'first-rate' combatants by the Soviet Navy commanders of the time.

              Ten had been planned but they were too top-heavy and the Kresta which followed them was a much better handling ship. The Kyndas were built, they worked, so they were kept in use, no big mystery here.

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