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    #21
    Jonesy,

    Isn't the iver huitfeld and the type 26 are of the same size? The type 26 is actually larger than the iver huitfeld. What is the reasoning of having 2 types of similarly sized frigate instead of just one?

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      #22
      Alex,

      Short answer there is 'mission'. The Danish ship is an adaptation of the Absalon design. Its a good basic CODAD hull thats large enough to support a useful AAW suite, and lots more besides, and it shares many logistics requirements with the Absalon. Its not an ASW ship though. There would need to be a distinct ASW frigate type capable of oceanic operation.

      The Canadians have been proud of their ASW skills for a very long time and with plenty of justification. ASW is seen as a core mission for them. Type 26 has been carefully designed in terms of hull and machinery to be acoustically discrete thus maximising ownship sensor performance and minimising the target submarines chances at counter detection. Its a tier 1 ASW warfighter effectively. Adapting a '2nd batch' of 4 T26's with an enhanced AAW suite in place of the Huitfelds would be a possible solution to maintain single type, but, it would have to be designed for Canada specially and, like the AAW FREMM, would result in a compromised AAW capability.

      In my view the Absalons make more sense for Canada's expeditionary needs than an LSD or LPD so the Huitfelds logistics train could be streamed in to that which would need to be built for Absalon anyway. With Huitfeld and T26 you end up with superior AAW and ASW capability with the minimum of separate logistics demands.
      Last edited by Jonesy; 5th October 2017, 10:40.

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        #23
        Odense has proposed an ASW-centric Huitfeld design to australia. Probably that would be a fit for Canada too?

        http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...72ec34885172eb

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          #24
          Possibly so, but, I'd doubt it to be honest. I've not seen details of this version, but, proper ASW hulls are designed as such. Slapping in a bit of rafting under the diesels and a couple of electric motors does not suddenly make for a discrete hull. It seems that the efforts to make Huitfeld something different was not entirely enough to convince the Aussies.

          The Canadians are more ASW focused than the Aussies. Unless that has changed recently a hull rejected by the Aussies is unlikely to appeal to the Canadians. T26 is hull-up ASW. In reality now, not as part of fantasy fleet, T26, with its mission bay and hull optimisation, is the better single-type fit.

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            #25
            J33 Nelson
            Iroquois Class Replacement
            4x FREMM Class Frigates (2 on each coast)
            *One 57mm cannon, Eight NSM launchers, One 16-cell SCALP vertical launch system, One 8-cell Aster-15 vertical launch system, One 8-cell Aster-30 vertical launch system, One SeaRam launcher, Six 324mm torpedo launchers, One CH-148 helicopter
            Why three different varieties of Sylver VLS on the FREMMs? Anything that can launch SCALP can launch Aster 30 & Aster 15.
            Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
            Justinian

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              #26
              Not different varieties. 32x A-70 Sylver VLS cells on the FREMMS loaded with 16x SCALP, 8x Aster-30, and 8x Aster-15 missiles. Of course this could be changed for different operational situations but this would be the standard fit. The GoWind 2500 would be armed with 8x A-43 Sylver VLS cells armed with Aster-15 missiles.

              I like this French based naval force for Canada since it is totally different than the American/British equipment Canada has always used. It would also give the French Canadians a sense of pride in their navy!
              Last edited by J33Nelson; 5th October 2017, 22:40. Reason: spelling
              -=*J33NELSON*=-

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                #27
                BGNewF; Agree
                Last edited by Jinan; 6th October 2017, 12:05.
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                  #28
                  Jonesy: (too) Huge!
                  Last edited by Jinan; 6th October 2017, 12:05.
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