Nakhimov will be fitted with Kalibr and Poliment-Redut system as most assumed. I guess it means that Kirov's 21st Century Mod will possess a massive land-attack capability. It seems to be a clear priority for the Russian navy to have a option for the western type of shock attack with mass use of cruise missiles. All new ship classes from the small Project 21631 corvettes to the next destroyers will carry them and also pretty much all attack submarines from the Project 945 to the Project 971 will be refitted with them.
By: bob909
- 25th June 2013 at 01:39Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hello all! I am looking for pics of any plain operated from Russian carrier at night. Please share or let me know that doesn't exist, so I'll stop looking :)
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By: Anonymous
- 25th June 2013 at 17:42Permalink- Edited 22nd October 2019 at 22:31
There are a few videos on youtube of nighttime operations.
By: TR1
- 26th June 2013 at 20:43Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well, looks like Baltisky finished the Mistral stern within the contract timeline.
Also I am fairly pleased with the extent of the work completed in RUssia:
By: Jinan
- 27th June 2013 at 00:34Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
appropriate coloring :applause:
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By: Rii
- 27th June 2013 at 04:51Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well, looks like Baltisky finished the Mistral stern within the contract timeline.
Also I am fairly pleased with the extent of the work completed in RUssia:
Is there any word on how the technology transfer side of things is coming?
So now that it's been completed, they are planning to begin towing the stern to Saint Nazaire, France on July 8th with the date of arrival expected around July 25th. There, the bow and island are nearing completion now as well.
By October 15th the joining of the stern and bow is supposed to be complete and once that's done, it'll head back to Russia for finishing up (weapons et cetera). According to deputy DM Borisov, this will happen before year's end.
Entry into VMF service expected by 2014.
The construction of the second ship, the Sevastopol, is supposed to begin within a month from now.
Kamov said last year that the first serial machines of the Ka-52K "Katran" (?) would commence production in 2013 and that they would be ready to supply the full complement of naval attack helicopters as Vladivostok enters service.
By: Blitzo
- 5th July 2013 at 12:25Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Even more surprising is the lack of catapults and TWO rear launch positions that infringe on the landing strip.
The CVF style twin island approach is also notable, as well as what appears to be a very large beam. Looks like a CVF + kuznetsov had a kid. Interesting concept
Now that I'm posting here, what is the latest on the gorshkov class frigates (number in service/trial/launched? A Internet search yields little and unfortunately my Russian is nonexistent). Much appreciated
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By: Anonymous
- 5th July 2013 at 20:10Permalink- Edited 22nd October 2019 at 22:31
Even more surprising is the lack of catapults and TWO rear launch positions that infringe on the landing strip.
The CVF style twin island approach is also notable, as well as what appears to be a very large beam. Looks like a CVF + kuznetsov had a kid. Interesting concept
It's a weird design for sure, not helped by distortion from the vitrine's glass. If there are no catapults, for example, do they expect aircraft to launch from the two port positions entirely unassisted, without the benefit of even a ski jump? My guess is that the model is not necessarily representative of a serious design, rather than signifying that new carriers are actively being pursued.
Now that I'm posting here, what is the latest on the gorshkov class frigates (number in service/trial/launched? A Internet search yields little and unfortunately my Russian is nonexistent). Much appreciated
By: Dr.Snufflebug
- 5th July 2013 at 21:49Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
They have "resurrected" the Ulyanovsk/Orel projects a few times this way, with various small-ish changes from the original sketches each time. This one with double islands just seems to be yet another take on the Russian supercarrier.
No catapults from the start, provisions made under the deck for future EM catapults in pos. 4 and 5. Or so I've heard...
By: Jonesy
- 5th July 2013 at 22:09Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
They have "resurrected" the Ulyanovsk/Orel projects a few times this way, with various small-ish changes from the original sketches each time. This one with double islands just seems to be yet another take on the Russian supercarrier.
Interesting...wonder if now might be a good time for BAE to start talking to Sukhoi about a joint STOL support type based on the Su-80GP airframe!.
By: Dr.Snufflebug
- 8th July 2013 at 17:00Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This seems a reasonable solution to the steam vs. EM catapult conundrum looming for developing carrier nations.
Indeed. But as a matter of fact it is now said that it will pack cats from the start and the total number of EM catapults projected for this ship is now said to be 4, laid out in a Nimitz-y fashion.
Of course the curvature of the main ramp would prevent them from running the whole length there (it is possible to have them curved I guess, but that'd probably mean ridiculous stresses/friction on the rails). In line with logic however, they apparently terminate before the ramp starts rising. This according to some people who were at the naval fair and read the little pamphlets and looked at the model closely.
Pretty interesting concept if true IMO, I wonder what implications this has for the MTOW for say a MiG-29K/KUB or T-50K.
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By: Anonymous
- 9th July 2013 at 07:29Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Even more surprising is the lack of catapults and TWO rear launch positions that infringe on the landing strip.
The CVF style twin island approach is also notable, as well as what appears to be a very large beam. Looks like a CVF + kuznetsov had a kid. Interesting concept
Now that I'm posting here, what is the latest on the gorshkov class frigates (number in service/trial/launched? A Internet search yields little and unfortunately my Russian is nonexistent). Much appreciated
Likely just a proposal as I've heard of nothing in regards to funding for either a New Aircraft Carrier or a Naval PAK-FA. Just the usual talk............Regardless, I have a hard time believing Russia will build a 80,000 Carrier without Catapults.
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By: Bellum - 23rd June 2013 at 08:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
http://flotprom.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=146980
Nakhimov will be fitted with Kalibr and Poliment-Redut system as most assumed. I guess it means that Kirov's 21st Century Mod will possess a massive land-attack capability. It seems to be a clear priority for the Russian navy to have a option for the western type of shock attack with mass use of cruise missiles. All new ship classes from the small Project 21631 corvettes to the next destroyers will carry them and also pretty much all attack submarines from the Project 945 to the Project 971 will be refitted with them.
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By: Jinan - 25th June 2013 at 00:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
LHA + land-attack cruiser .... go figure.
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By: bob909 - 25th June 2013 at 01:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hello all! I am looking for pics of any plain operated from Russian carrier at night. Please share or let me know that doesn't exist, so I'll stop looking :)
By: Anonymous - 25th June 2013 at 17:42 Permalink - Edited 22nd October 2019 at 22:31
There are a few videos on youtube of nighttime operations.
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By: TR1 - 26th June 2013 at 20:43 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well, looks like Baltisky finished the Mistral stern within the contract timeline.
Also I am fairly pleased with the extent of the work completed in RUssia:
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By: Jinan - 27th June 2013 at 00:34 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
appropriate coloring :applause:
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By: Rii - 27th June 2013 at 04:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Is there any word on how the technology transfer side of things is coming?
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By: bob909 - 27th June 2013 at 18:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
All I saw were clips from games...
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By: Dr.Snufflebug - 28th June 2013 at 11:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Video of the Vladivostok stern being floated out:
http://en.rian.ru/video/20130627/181905873/Russian-Shipyard-Completes-Stern-for-First-Mistral-Warship.html
So now that it's been completed, they are planning to begin towing the stern to Saint Nazaire, France on July 8th with the date of arrival expected around July 25th. There, the bow and island are nearing completion now as well.
By October 15th the joining of the stern and bow is supposed to be complete and once that's done, it'll head back to Russia for finishing up (weapons et cetera). According to deputy DM Borisov, this will happen before year's end.
Entry into VMF service expected by 2014.
The construction of the second ship, the Sevastopol, is supposed to begin within a month from now.
Kamov said last year that the first serial machines of the Ka-52K "Katran" (?) would commence production in 2013 and that they would be ready to supply the full complement of naval attack helicopters as Vladivostok enters service.
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By: Jō Asakura - 5th July 2013 at 12:17 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Russian 80k ton carrier concept presented @ naval exhibition. Includes PAK-FA airwing but surprisingly non-nuclear:
http://flotprom.ru/news/?ELEMENT_ID=147796
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By: Blitzo - 5th July 2013 at 12:25 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Even more surprising is the lack of catapults and TWO rear launch positions that infringe on the landing strip.
The CVF style twin island approach is also notable, as well as what appears to be a very large beam. Looks like a CVF + kuznetsov had a kid. Interesting concept
Now that I'm posting here, what is the latest on the gorshkov class frigates (number in service/trial/launched? A Internet search yields little and unfortunately my Russian is nonexistent). Much appreciated
By: Anonymous - 5th July 2013 at 20:10 Permalink - Edited 22nd October 2019 at 22:31
It's a weird design for sure, not helped by distortion from the vitrine's glass. If there are no catapults, for example, do they expect aircraft to launch from the two port positions entirely unassisted, without the benefit of even a ski jump? My guess is that the model is not necessarily representative of a serious design, rather than signifying that new carriers are actively being pursued.
First one still fitting out.
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By: TR1 - 5th July 2013 at 21:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
It is just a model. Guarantee you the project will change within next several years.
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By: Dr.Snufflebug - 5th July 2013 at 21:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
They have "resurrected" the Ulyanovsk/Orel projects a few times this way, with various small-ish changes from the original sketches each time. This one with double islands just seems to be yet another take on the Russian supercarrier.
No catapults from the start, provisions made under the deck for future EM catapults in pos. 4 and 5. Or so I've heard...
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By: Jonesy - 5th July 2013 at 22:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Interesting...wonder if now might be a good time for BAE to start talking to Sukhoi about a joint STOL support type based on the Su-80GP airframe!.
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By: TR1 - 6th July 2013 at 21:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Nice pic, Chinese ships in Vladivostock for large-scale naval exercise.
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By: Rii - 6th July 2013 at 21:42 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
This seems a reasonable solution to the steam vs. EM catapult conundrum looming for developing carrier nations.
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By: Dr.Snufflebug - 8th July 2013 at 17:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Indeed. But as a matter of fact it is now said that it will pack cats from the start and the total number of EM catapults projected for this ship is now said to be 4, laid out in a Nimitz-y fashion.
Of course the curvature of the main ramp would prevent them from running the whole length there (it is possible to have them curved I guess, but that'd probably mean ridiculous stresses/friction on the rails). In line with logic however, they apparently terminate before the ramp starts rising. This according to some people who were at the naval fair and read the little pamphlets and looked at the model closely.
Pretty interesting concept if true IMO, I wonder what implications this has for the MTOW for say a MiG-29K/KUB or T-50K.
By: Anonymous - 9th July 2013 at 07:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Likely just a proposal as I've heard of nothing in regards to funding for either a New Aircraft Carrier or a Naval PAK-FA. Just the usual talk............Regardless, I have a hard time believing Russia will build a 80,000 Carrier without Catapults.
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By: YU1 - 9th July 2013 at 09:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Recent pic of Frigates Admiral Grigorovich and Admiral Essen.