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  • Austin
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    • Oct 2003
    • 6506

    What is the market for such ships in Russia and who uses them , Any idea ?

    Concern "Kalashnikov" will order the construction of new passenger ships "Comet

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2988367.html
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    • Sab3r329
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      • Apr 2016
      • 91

      Where did you get that 100 km ranged torpedoes from in the first place ?

      Any RUssian speaking can translate few imp points in the videos ?
      The military acceptance video that you posted. Exactly 30 min in, the host is talking to some official, and he literally states that the torpedoes have a range of 100km and a max depth of 1000m. With capability to operate and find targets located under ice.

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      • Austin
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        • Oct 2003
        • 6506

        Russian TV Report Highlights Project 855M Yasen-M class Submarine Kazan Design Improvements

        https://forum.keypublishing.com/show...hread-2/page61
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        • JangBoGo
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          • Jan 2011
          • 1510

          100km ranged torpedoes? Does anyone have more information on the torpedoes shown? From my viewing it showed two models, one with pumpjet and the other without, I'm guessing the one with pumpjet is the 100km ranged one?
          There already is a 650mm Russian heavyweight torpedo, type 65, which have such a range.
          50 km @ 93 km/h
          100 km @ 56 km/h
          So maybe a development of that

          http://rusnavy.com/science/weapons/u...apon/index.php

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          • Austin
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            • Oct 2003
            • 6506

            wrong link above

            'Russian TV Report Highlights Project 855M Yasen-M class Submarine Kazan Design Improvements

            https://navyrecognition.com/index.ph...rovements.html
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            • Austin
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              • Oct 2003
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              There already is a 650mm Russian heavyweight torpedo, type 65, which have such a range.
              50 km @ 93 km/h
              100 km @ 56 km/h
              So maybe a development of that

              http://rusnavy.com/science/weapons/u...apon/index.php
              Check the link I shared above he is talking of new torpedoes likely Fizik-1


              Although in real environment against submarine in unfavourable sea condition detection range of modern submarine will be in single digit and in favourable condition 20-30 km for modern Nuclear and Diesiel submarine, So a 100 km range torpedo is of academic value no one ever used that range to kill a target not even a surface one not even 50 km
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              • TR1
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                • Oct 2010
                • 9826

                What is the market for such ships in Russia and who uses them , Any idea ?

                Concern "Kalashnikov" will order the construction of new passenger ships "Comet

                https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2988367.html
                Ships of that kind are typically used for river transport, quite common during Soviet times and after.

                Used to see them all the time in Moscow.

                Though this seems like more pork barrel spending for Crimea.
                Last edited by TR1; 7th December 2017, 07:23.
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                • JangBoGo
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                  • Jan 2011
                  • 1510

                  I'm loving this little fellow, Project 02800, I wasn't aware of this project. Looks like a good utility stuff and can be carried by almost all ships if they have a stern well deck or rails. Like it much better than Pr.03160 Raptor.



                  Full stuff from Zvezda series

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                  • JangBoGo
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                    • Jan 2011
                    • 1510

                    Check the link I shared above he is talking of new torpedoes likely Fizik-1


                    Although in real environment against submarine in unfavourable sea condition detection range of modern submarine will be in single digit and in favourable condition 20-30 km for modern Nuclear and Diesiel submarine, So a 100 km range torpedo is of academic value no one ever used that range to kill a target not even a surface one not even 50 km
                    If I'm not wrong, there are no "active" 650mm torpedoes with the Russian navy since the Type-65 has been put on standby after 949A Krusk accident. Pr.885/M submarines are equipped with 8-6 x 650mm tubes where as Pr.955/A doesn't have any 650mm tubes, Pr.955B might not get any coz they are strategic deterrent assets unlike 855/M hunter/killer units.

                    I maybe wrong, but looking at whats available makes me believe this is unlikely to be a 533mm torpedo and the reason why I mentioned Type-65 and a development on that.

                    Though 100Km and 1,000m engagement figures might look purely academic, but why not have that capability at ones disposal if it can be technically achieved? Think of it as a stand alone or stand-off distance weapons.

                    The 650mm were meant to be used against carrier battle groups and ,say, 6-8 shots of these torpedo's from outside the protective underwater screen of the CBG group is going to unsettle the group. A combination of over the waves anti-ship salvo and underneath salvo from outside the CBG protective screen is going to be a two dimensional assault and would be more complicated for the defender than coping with a one dimensional attack.

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                    • TR1
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                      • Oct 2010
                      • 9826

                      Yasen has no 650mm tubes, all 533mm.
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                      • JangBoGo
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                        • Jan 2011
                        • 1510

                        Ohh... I'd completely missed that basic stuff.
                        So its going to be a new long-ranger in the 533mm to be issued across the fleets. Excellent.

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                        • Austin
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                          • Oct 2003
                          • 6506

                          The Russian Navy, in its development, relies on the frigates of Project 22350M

                          The Russian Navy, in its development, relies on the frigates of the project 22350M, which in the future will become the main Russian military ships of the far sea and ocean zones, the commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy Admiral Vladimir Korolyov said on Tuesday during the meeting of the Main Command and the Admiralty Coordination Council of the public organizations of veterans .

                          The main ship of this project "Admiral Gorshkov" is currently undergoing state testing.

                          "As part of the state armament program, the Navy will continue to receive new and upgraded ships of the far sea and ocean zones, the most massive ship in this segment will be the upgraded 22350M frigate equipped with high-precision weapons," Korolev said.


                          The Admiral also noted that to date the main command of the Navy planned more than 10 development projects aimed at creating promising ships, RIA Novosti reported.

                          The frigates of the project 22350 have a displacement of 4,5 thousand tons, a length of 135 meters and a width of 15 meters. The frigates will be armed with the A-192 Armat artillery gun of 130 mm caliber, launchers for 16 anti-ship missiles "Onyx" or "Caliber-NKE" and the SAM "Poliment-Redut". In total, eight frigates of the project 22350 are planned to be built.
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                          • Austin
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                            • Oct 2003
                            • 6506

                            At 800T are these ships any good ? They are building 30 of this class in medium term

                            https://navyrecognition.com/index.ph...tte-vikhr.html
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                            • Austin
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                              • Oct 2003
                              • 6506

                              Very interesting , The VLS Shtil-1 has a range of 50 Km range and MCG and Semi-Active Radar Homing

                              http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/naval-systems/shtil-1/

                              UGST Torpedo

                              http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/naval-systems/ugst/

                              9M96E SAM

                              http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/naval-systems/rif-m/
                              Last edited by Austin; 28th December 2017, 07:34.
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                              • TR1
                                TR1
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                                • Oct 2010
                                • 9826

                                That is just Rosoboronexport reposting old info, we already know VLS Shtil was testing active-seeker:

                                http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2576718.html

                                They even show the old 9M317 missile, not the 9M317MA that is in service and looks identical to the 70km Buk-M3 round.
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                                • Austin
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                                  • Oct 2003
                                  • 6506

                                  Interview with USC chief

                                  https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/179224.html
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                                  • soyuz1917
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Oct 2005
                                    • 651

                                    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd...5_original.jpg

                                    The first Project 20385 corvette got his radars.

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                                    • Freddy
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                                      • Apr 2013
                                      • 276



                                      Wonder how many Be-12 seaplanes Russia has that are still in a good enough condition to upgrade?

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                                      • paralay
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Aug 2005
                                        • 1418

                                        From 1993 to 1998, almost all "Seagulls" were written off. The last six cars are part of the 318th regiment of the Black Sea Fleet. About a dozen more sides are on storage at the aircraft factory in Taganrog and the Ostrov airport.
                                        http://aviation21.ru/samolyoty-amfib...modernizaciyu/

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                                        • TR1
                                          TR1
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                                          • Oct 2010
                                          • 9826

                                          Photo of Nakhimov entering modernization:



                                          This one is interesting, looks like some work on reconstructing the Sevmash basin has begun:



                                          Also some work has began @ Severnaya:

                                          https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/104611/
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