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  • JangBoGo
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    • Jan 2011
    • 1510

    22800 are good, but from what I see, they are most likely going to be coastal and river based (European theatre) long range strikers.
    What about radar panels on the mast? I thought they were getting it on the mast.

    21631 with 16-cell VLS needs to be perused in addition to the 22800, to make numbers for that small yet effective strike assets for the navy, considering no ships of 11356 or 22350 class is going to come off the slip in decent numbers in the next 5 years.

    That navy cat looks like a proper member of that sub, wonder how many dives she undertook till now. Btw, Russian's love for animals (particularly the cats) is unparalleled.
    That curious factory cat was just cute.

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    • JangBoGo
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      • Jan 2011
      • 1510

      11356 @ Tartous naval base, Syria, few days before the Russian navy day celebration


      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFardTjXcAEEQ1t.jpg

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      • TR1
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        • Oct 2010
        • 9826

        22800 is basically a 21631 re-worked so it is actually deployable in any sort of rough seas, so you have that reversed.

        Yes, they will have the new Zaslon phased arrays in the mast, not fitted yet, probably the biggest question mark we are waiting for right now.

        Gromky @ Amur:





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        • Stonewall
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          • Jan 2006
          • 451

          Naval Parade Pics: http://kuleshovoleg.ru/?p=1603


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          • Stonewall
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            • Jan 2006
            • 451

            Amazing video of the heaviest armed surface combatant on Earth today (and for many decades to come..). https://topspb.tv/uploaded/videos/pe...ij_U7bou3g.mp4

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            • TR1
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              • Oct 2010
              • 9826

              Latest from Zvezda:










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              • mil
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                • Dec 2015
                • 40

                Great video, Stonewall.

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                • TR1
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                  • Oct 2010
                  • 9826

                  Uragan:

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                  • Stonewall
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                    • Jan 2006
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                    • TR1
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                      • Oct 2010
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                      Nice photos of the Polar Star:









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                      • JangBoGo
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                        • Jan 2011
                        • 1510

                        ^ Looking really great. This must probably be the heaviest border guard ship after that 1135 based unit. Hope they don't limit it to a couple of units.

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                        • Austin
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                          • Oct 2003
                          • 6506

                          Project 677 lead Lada-class submarine St. Petersburg passed all Russian Navy tests
                          "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                          • TR1
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                            • Oct 2010
                            • 9826

                            Goliath crane up @ Zvezda- and curiously in this photo, the 949AM submarine modernization is not blurred:



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                            • TR1
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                              • Oct 2010
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                              http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/535876.html

                              Regarding construction of ships @ Sevmash:

                              955A: Knyaz Vladimir will be likely handed over before 2020, rest post.
                              885M: Kazan undergoing trials, will be handed over before 2020. Novosibirsk optimistically could be launched before the end of 2018, and might be handed over before 2020.
                              Krasnoyarsk could very well be launched before 2020, but hand over will not happen this decade obviously.

                              The special ops sub Belgorod will finally be launched next year.
                              The Khabarovsk special purpose sub is undergoing finishing of its primary hull.
                              Work on Nakhimov is going at full speed, however there is no way it will be finished this decade.

                              http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2792784.html

                              And a pleasant surprise - Project 1155 Marshal Shaposhnikov, which is undergoing repairs at Dalzavod, will be receiving UKSK as well as Uran during its modernization.
                              Looks like Uran will replace the Rastrub bins, while two UKSK modules (16 cells) will replace one of the 100mm guns.


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                              • edi_right_round
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                                • Nov 2005
                                • 266

                                TR1 so they are putting Kh35 in place of the quadruple launchers?wouldnt it make more sense to put some Yakhonts or supersonic Clubs?Is it possible dimensions wise?
                                What about UKSK?Are they going to arm it with Kalibr or fix the weak air defense it has got?I find it to be rather a good modernisation on Udaloys.If they could do the same to remaining 956 and put Codag on them

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                                • TR1
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                                  As I understand it, Uran instead of the Rastrub bins.

                                  They can put Yakhont in the UKSK cells, or Kalibr (which has the supersonic anti ship stage). UKSK doesn't hold SAMs, so the AD armament will be limited to the short range Kinzhal.

                                  956 has no future, you can forget about them. But if they can gradually modernize some 1155s, that would be great. Solve AD with the new frigates/modernized cruisers, keep 1155s for their anti-submarine capability.
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                                  • Stonewall
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                                    • Jan 2006
                                    • 451

                                    CAST's bmpd blog published photos from Severnaya Verf shipyard. Fresh imgs of Adm. Kasatonov, I.Khurs & Gremyashchiy





                                    https://twitter.com/Russian_Defence/...64578580205569

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                                    • JangBoGo
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Jan 2011
                                      • 1510

                                      1155/1 modernisation indeed going to happen is a very pleasant surprise. I always felt the 1155/1 were lightly armed for its size but had good growth potential with a proper modernisation. Same goes for 956, I wish they carry out a modernisation for 956 as well.


                                      What about UKSK?Are they going to arm it with Kalibr or fix the weak air defense it has got?I find it to be rather a good modernisation on Udaloys.If they could do the same to remaining 956 and put Codag on them
                                      I don't know if there is a need for Kalibr on all ships. I would rather have the bigges like 1155/1, 956 and 11356 to have an increased load of AD missiles in addition to the ASW and anti-ship assets. Its better to have 4-6 x 21631 deputed to any of the above combatants to do the long range shots under its protective cover. That would be like 32-48 Kalibrs at the disposal.

                                      I don't think there is a need for a complete change of propulsion for the 956. They currently use boiler-steam turbine combo. The best route is to replace the older KVG-3 boilers and use the new model KVG-3D using high speed diesel which was developed for Pr.11430/INS Vikramaditya.


                                      956 has no future, you can forget about them. But if they can gradually modernize some 1155s, that would be great. Solve AD with the new frigates/modernized cruisers, keep 1155s for their anti-submarine capability.
                                      I feel, more than ever, 965 definitely needs to have a future.
                                      I cant see any new 11356 or 956 class ships to roll out in the near future. All we have now are the already ordered 22350 and residual 11356, and Russian navy is critically short of ships.

                                      IMHO, the best move to fill the shortage is to modernise the in-service and all available 956 hulls. Such a modernisation could last 2-3 years per ship.

                                      I'm not sure about the condition of the decommissioned ships, but if we can get back the retired units post 2006 (1 in 2006, 2 in 2012) and the reserve and active units to an updated combat level, it would be like 6-9 very combat capable ships in 4-8 years, utilising 2-3 yards (Yantar/Baltisky/Servernya). This is by no means an insignificant number and unreasonable time frame considering what the Russian navy is currently having to do with.

                                      In addition, modernise all those 9 x 1155/1 ships and it would be a decent number at the disposal.

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                                      • FBW
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                                        • Dec 2011
                                        • 3294

                                        The oldest 1155 currently in service is 36 years old, the youngest was launched 25 years ago. How long is it realistically economical to operate them? Upgrades don't make a propulsion system or hull new.

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                                        • TR1
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                                          • Oct 2010
                                          • 9826

                                          Some were out for quite a bit of time for repairs, and did not see terribly heavy service, so there should not be hull issues. Kulakov spent years waiting to return to service and was basically a new ship by the end of it. Chabanenko last left for sea almost 5 years ago....and its repairs are not close to done yet. Engines are repaired during overhaul, especially now that domestic turbine repair/production is emphasized it shouldn't be an issue.

                                          That is exactly why they have a future and 956 doesn't. The facilities and personnel to fix the latter's engines are...lacking to put mildly. The three active ships run fairly often, and will probably stay in service while they are functional.
                                          The others are pretty much all goners. The retired ships have already either been scrapped or orders for scrapping have been drawn up. A couple others are in "reserve" without working engines, so no future there. Burny is in repair @ Dalzavod since 2005, in 2013 IIRC they said engines would be replaced, since then, nothing. So don't get your hopes up.

                                          Re. 1155 modernization speed, it has been considerably past 2-3 years both in the North and Eastern repair yards, though how much of that was actually work time is debatable.

                                          http://www.navyrecognition.com/index...s-by-2020.html

                                          If this is accurate, then Shaposhnikov is the first one. Unsure if Chabanenko will be modernized along similar lines, there have been mixed statements from the 35th ship repair plant. So can another 3-4 ships be modernized by 2022?
                                          It is not impossible but current trends are not terribly encouraging.
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