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  • TR1
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    • Oct 2010
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    Finally some news on Belgorod (the re-purposed 949A @ Sevmash):

    http://www.i-mash.ru/news/nov_predpr...rossii-na.html

    Planed to be completed in 2018.
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    • TR1
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      • Oct 2010
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      Stoiky and Boiki are embarking on their longest trip yet, apparently to Syria. Thanks to the brave NATO escorts, we got some good pics:













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      • TR1
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        • Oct 2010
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        Kazan- first photo of the 885 missile doors open AFAIK:

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        • TR1
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          • Oct 2010
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          BSF:



          Apparently the 885M is 10 meters shorter than the 885.

          http://izvestia.ru/news/680714
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          • TR1
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            • Oct 2010
            • 9826

            http://izvestia.ru/news/688769

            Izvestya I know, but holy- claims that Belgorod has been modified to be 184 meters long, 11 meters longer than even the giant 941 subs.
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            • stealthflanker
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              • Sep 2015
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              Originally posted by TR1 View Post
              BSF:



              Apparently the 885M is 10 meters shorter than the 885.

              http://izvestia.ru/news/680714
              Roughly 129 m then, compared to 139 m of 885. So they cut 4 meter of living space. Does it mean that 885M will have less crew than 885 ?

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              • TR1
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                • Oct 2010
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                Pic of 885 I have not seen :



                Last edited by TR1; 21st April 2017, 05:32.
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                • Sab3r329
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                  • Apr 2016
                  • 91

                  So I found this article....

                  http://vpk-news.ru/articles/36290

                  "Subsea impotence"

                  And I have seen it claimed by a user named Mina that Russian torpedoes are literally half a century behind Western, and that Russian subs are literally waiting for execution.


                  Anyone have comments on to add on this? TR1?

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                  • TR1
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                    • Oct 2010
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                    Yeah, it is Mina, a well known former Navy guy who is constantly doom and gloom, and also extremely rude (hence why he was banned @ Balancers).

                    He goes overboard, but makes some accurate observations. Until Fizik-1 and 2 started entering service (like, over the past year) Russian torpedoes were horribly outdated.
                    He also talks about outdated decoy measures, like Vist.....well Vist-2 just started entering service. So the situation has started improving, but there is a big inventory gap to fix. Also the status of new 324mm torpedoes is....unclear.
                    To be fair he does give credit where the situation is better, for example, Paket anti-torpedoes, ASW rocket weaponry, etc.

                    A lot of his commentary is valid, but some, like criticizing 636.6 for lack of side sonar arrays....yeah we all know they are a stop-gap measure Mina, thanks. They wouldn't be in such fast service if they extensively modified them.
                    Also there is some question about his constant antagonism towards Dagdiesel.
                    https://forums.spacebattles.com/thre...43988/page-257

                    But that's ASW for you. Most smaller fleets are terribly deficient in it anyways, hell even the Royal Navy doesn't have any SSNs without issues ready to deploy right now.
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                    • Sab3r329
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                      • Apr 2016
                      • 91

                      Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                      Yeah, it is Mina, a well known former Navy guy who is constantly doom and gloom, and also extremely rude (hence why he was banned @ Balancers).

                      He goes overboard, but makes some accurate observations. Until Fizik-1 and 2 started entering service (like, over the past year) Russian torpedoes were horribly outdated.
                      He also talks about outdated decoy measures, like Vist.....well Vist-2 just started entering service. So the situation has started improving, but there is a big inventory gap to fix. Also the status of new 324mm torpedoes is....unclear.
                      To be fair he does give credit where the situation is better, for example, Paket anti-torpedoes, ASW rocket weaponry, etc.

                      A lot of his commentary is valid, but some, like criticizing 636.6 for lack of side sonar arrays....yeah we all know they are a stop-gap measure Mina, thanks. They wouldn't be in such fast service if they extensively modified them.
                      Also there is some question about his constant antagonism towards Dagdiesel.
                      https://forums.spacebattles.com/thre...43988/page-257
                      So basically he is taking the current situation and over-blowing it to high hell. It is not that abnormal actually, plenty of Russian service members have said some obscenely stupid ****, like T-90 being heavily upgraded T-34 and we all know the story of Mikhail Rastopshin.
                      Is Dagdiesel another former/current Russian Navy service member? Has it been verified that Mina was actually a member or was it taken as his word?

                      Thanks for the info.

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                      • TR1
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                        • Oct 2010
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                        Well, he wasn't exaggerating how bad the torpedo gap got from the early 1980s. And just because Fizik-1 and Vist-2 have entered service does not mean most of the inventory is still not horrible outdated.
                        Dagdeisel is a torpedo/ASW plant (based in Dagestan, hence the name) and he is all but accusing them of sabotage, hence when people roll their eyes at his hysterics. To me it is pretty simple, ASW is not a sexy item to fund like planes or tanks, and add the norm of corruption and skimming....

                        The T-90 > upgraded T-34 story is even funnier since IIRC it was Makarov (chief of the general staff no less) who said that, and along with BMP-3 stopped their purchase because of personal distaste. Also slowed BMD-4 program to a crawl....
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                        • Austin
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                          • Oct 2003
                          • 6506

                          Russias seaborne air defense system to receive three types of missiles
                          Military & Defense
                          April 24, 13:09 UTC+3
                          Russias seaborne missile complex will be fitted out with three types of missiles unified with the S-350 Vityaz ground-based air defense system

                          More:
                          http://tass.com/defense/942858

                          "The Poliment-Redut-R R&D work is focused on developing small-, medium-and intermediate-range missiles for arming the relevant ships," he said in an interview published in Natsionalnaya Oborona (National Defense) magazine.


                          "Poliment-Redut surface-to-air missiles have been unified with the S-350 Vityaz air defense system," the chief designer said.

                          All new-generation missiles are being developed with active homing heads and the inertial guidance system and feature very high maneuverable characteristics for hitting the entire range of attack means, Sozinov said.

                          This year, Almaz-Antey defense contractor will celebrate the 15th anniversary of its establishment.
                          "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                          • Austin
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                            • Oct 2003
                            • 6506

                            Russian serial production of engines for the Russian Navy ships will begin in 2018
                            Army and Defense Industry April 25, 15:03 update date: April 25, 15:04 UTC + 3
                            This will contribute to the Rybinsk enterprise created a unique assembly and testing facility, which is designed to carry out all kinds of tests of ship gas turbine engines

                            Rybinsk, on 25 April. / TASS /. Rybinsk NPO "Saturn" (part of United Engine Corporation, UEC) in 2018 plans to enter into mass production of domestic engines for the Russian Navy ships. This was reported in the press service of the JDC.

                            They noted that this will contribute to the Rybinsk enterprise created a unique assembly and testing facility, which is designed for all kinds of tests of ship gas turbine engines (GTE), gas turbines and diesel-turbine units. JDC also implementing an investment project "Modernization of the enterprise for the production of gas turbine engine M90FR".

                            "The implementation of this set of works will allow the NGO" Saturn "in 2018 to move to full-scale production of GTE M70FRU, M70FRU-2, M70FRU-P M90FR, GTA M35R and M70, as well as units on the basis of advanced engines with the modernization of gear systems and control systems" - said the corporation.


                            They noted that technological solutions incorporated in the test set, allow the ship to test more than 20 units of various configurations. "The complex is a universal cluster, which not only provides a full import on the stage of the RF current needs in terms of powertrains, but will allow testing and advanced gas turbine engines and components", - said in the UEC.

                            Currently, construction works are completed, landscaped the surrounding area, established the basic technology systems and equipment. Initial certification test benches, metrological verification of measuring systems complex and its entry into commercial operation scheduled for December 2017.

                            prospective engines

                            JDC also intends to create a family of advanced marine engines.

                            "Product Strategy UEC provides for measures that would allow the period to 2020 to provide the Russian Navy with modern engines of the Russian manufacture, and taking into account proposed for implementation of project initiatives to create up to 2025 family of advanced marine gas turbine engines and components", - said the press service.

                            The corporation was reminded that at present it is conducted a number of development projects aimed at the creation of domestic engines for the Russian Navy ships instead of Ukrainian.

                            Modern Russian warships, in particular frigates of Project 22350 and 11356, previously equipped with power plants Nikolaev "Zorya" - "Mashproekt". To avoid dependence on Ukrainian supplies Main Command of the Russian Navy in the early 2000s adopted the "Concept of creation and application of gas turbine engines and units of surface ships of the Navy" and laid a function of a complex vendor to Rybinsk NPO "Saturn" (part of the APC).

                            The engine of the fifth generation


                            Marine engine of the fifth generation will be more powerful and more economical than its predecessors.


                            "JDC plans to carry out a number of research works on creation and research of new corrosion-resistant heat-resistant alloys, low-emission marine gas turbine engine combustion chambers (a gas turbine engine - approx Tass.), The definition of marine engine fifth-generation appearance," - said the press service.

                            There clarified that the initiative to NGOs specialists "Saturn" (included in the ODK) was conducted complex computational and research to improve the cycle for the base of the gas generator, which affect the capacity and efficiency of future marine engines.

                            "Further development of marine gas turbine engine may be directed at ways to increase capacity and improve their efficiency," - noted in the UEC.
                            Подробнее на ТАСС:
                            http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4209929
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                            • Austin
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                              • Oct 2003
                              • 6506

                              So what Saturn seems to have done is reverse engineered the Ukranian Engine of GTE M70FRU, M70FRU-2, M70FRU-P M90FR, GTA M35R and M70 type ?

                              Seems this was the quickest way to over come the current embargo where practically most rusian ships depend on Ukraine engine
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                              • TR1
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                                • Oct 2010
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                                http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2568481.html

                                Some photos of the engines in question.

                                http://dambiev.livejournal.com/792499.html

                                Also some interesting photos of the Marshal Krylov intelligence/tracking ship, @ Dalezavod for repairs.
                                Last edited by TR1; 25th April 2017, 18:55.
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                                • Privateer454
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                                  • Aug 2010
                                  • 110

                                  Does anyone know the true state of the Admiral Ushakov (ex-Kirov)? I've seen some articles saying only the Admiral Nakhimov (ex-Kalinin) was undergoing refit with 2018 completion date, but I have seen another saying the Kirov was going to be refit and completed in 2020.

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                                  • TR1
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                                    • Oct 2010
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                                    It is a dead man, there is a contact for it being cut apart for a while now.
                                    Nakhimov's refit won't be done next year either.

                                    Unrelated:



                                    Project 21631 and 22160 in the back, Zelenodolsk shipyard.
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                                    • aditya
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                                      • Jan 2000
                                      • 838

                                      Any pics of Admiral Nakhimov upgrade?

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                                      • TR1
                                        TR1
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                                        • Oct 2010
                                        • 9826

                                        Not anything recent, I presume you have seen the ones from earlier last year of it in the Sevmash basin?

                                        http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4203521

                                        Apparently Kuznetsov will be replacing Granit with UKSK (Kalibr) tubes.
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                                        • TR1
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                                          • Oct 2010
                                          • 9826

                                          Well, sad but inevietable: the news that modernization of the titanium 945 boats was put on hold are confirmed. Karp and Kostroma were supposed to be modernized @ Zvezdochka, but work on Karp was frozen in 2015.

                                          It is too expensive and difficult, and work re-starting is very unlikely.

                                          http://flotprom.ru/2017/%D0%97%D0%B2...%D0%BA%D0%B07/
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