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  • Yama
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    • Feb 2012
    • 636

    Originally posted by Zare View Post
    What is the hull material and thickness of project Orlan and Atlant ships? Could they withstand any hits from pre-missile era guns like B-38?
    Hull plating's probably like 20 to 25mm at max., high-tensile steel. Not meant to be an armour, nor would it deflect shells except from extreme ranges.

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    • Scar
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      • Nov 2015
      • 682

      Originally posted by Yama View Post
      Hull plating's probably like 20 to 25mm at max., high-tensile steel. Not meant to be an armour, nor would it deflect shells except from extreme ranges.
      pr.1144
      - Compartment PU ASM P-700 "Granit" - walls above the water line - 100 mm, a wall below the overhead line - 70 mm, the roof is 70 mm
      - cellar Plourac'h 85R - wall above the overhead line of 100 mm, a wall below the overhead line of 70 mm, the roof 70 mm
      - PCG and BIP - the side walls 100 mm, beams 75 mm, roof 75 mm
      - helicopter hangar kerosinohranilische, cellar aircraft ammunition - side wall 70 mm, 50 mm roof

      pr.11442
      - Compartment PU ASM P-700 "Granit" - the wall above the overhead line of 100 mm, a wall below the overhead line of 70 mm, the roof 70 mm
      - PCG and BIP - the side walls 100 mm, beams 75 mm, roof 75 mm
      - Helicopter hangar kerosinohranilische, cellar aircraft ammunition - side wall 70 mm, 50 mm roof

      http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-701.html

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      • Zare
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        • Dec 2006
        • 213

        Thanks.

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        • TR1
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          • Oct 2010
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          Originally posted by Scar View Post
          pr.1144
          - Compartment PU ASM P-700 "Granit" - walls above the water line - 100 mm, a wall below the overhead line - 70 mm, the roof is 70 mm
          - cellar Plourac'h 85R - wall above the overhead line of 100 mm, a wall below the overhead line of 70 mm, the roof 70 mm
          - PCG and BIP - the side walls 100 mm, beams 75 mm, roof 75 mm
          - helicopter hangar kerosinohranilische, cellar aircraft ammunition - side wall 70 mm, 50 mm roof

          pr.11442
          - Compartment PU ASM P-700 "Granit" - the wall above the overhead line of 100 mm, a wall below the overhead line of 70 mm, the roof 70 mm
          - PCG and BIP - the side walls 100 mm, beams 75 mm, roof 75 mm
          - Helicopter hangar kerosinohranilische, cellar aircraft ammunition - side wall 70 mm, 50 mm roof

          http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-701.html
          That is all internal armoring though isn't it, the actual hull is just steel like any other ship, and hence would be vulnerable to any serious gunfire. Granted a few 6 inch rounds probably would not make much of an impression on such a large and subdivided ship, but they would certainly be hitting something.
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          • TR1
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            • Oct 2010
            • 9826

            Well, Yantar can build at a decent pace:

            2nd Ivan Gren ship mid 2015:



            And now:



            Going to be real interesting what frigates Yantar is saddled with next.
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            • Vitte
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              • Mar 2016
              • 15

              Russian destroyer Admiral Panteleyev 2016

              https://www.youtube.com/user/Vitalicus75

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              • JangBoGo
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                • Jan 2011
                • 1510

                Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                Well, Yantar can build at a decent pace:

                Going to be real interesting what frigates Yantar is saddled with next.
                Yantar has been the premier shipyard even during the Soviet days but they had to endure a very bad decade and a half untill Putin/planners did the right thing of giving them the 11356 order from Indian navy. There were so many skeptics (mostly coz they were trolls or were simply ignorant about Yantar's potential) on the deal to built the ships in Yantar. But they were proven wrong in the years with Yantar springing back to their class of churning out hulls.

                Since we have a colossal f$$k up on naval plans/orders due to the incompetent morons in the decision making process, there is not going to be any new 11356 (the so-called interim solution, that too without securing the powerplants!) or 22350 for the Russian navy in the next 2-3 years. So this might be the right time for opening up a parallel line for 22350 at Yantar and also explore the possiblity of building the lower cost 11661 class corvettes/frigates to built up the numbers.

                But the powerplant of the 11661 need to be changed from the current COGAG to the CODAG configuration (2 x 16D49 @ 6,000 h.p each + 2 x M70FRU @ 14000 h.p each) and standardize it with the 20380/85.

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                • JangBoGo
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                  • Jan 2011
                  • 1510

                  Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                  http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2101932.html

                  An enclosed floating dock the project 23380 "Zvezda".
                  Apparently it will service project 955 SSBNs in the Far East; in the local climate enclosed docks are much easier to work in.

                  That was indeed a good and sweet surprise.

                  114 х 14 х 485 meter is whats written. From the looks, 114m has to be the total height including the crane, 485 its length (for accommodating two subs) and the beam to be just 14m doesn't look right. If I'm not wrong, the pressure hull dia of both 885 and 955 is 10m and so this floating dry dock having a beam of just 14m looks very tight..

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                  • JangBoGo
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                    • Jan 2011
                    • 1510

                    Project 23000, starting to like this one.
                    Deck capacity shows slots for around 45+ aircraft.








                    Project 23560 (Primakov class?), first of the class was named after former Russian Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov.
                    The beam in this 2015 spec sheet is 23 meters, up from the 20 meters which was first mentioned.



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                    • JangBoGo
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 1510

                      Pella shipyard is likely preparing to built navy's new class(es) of support ships......the only problem is that Pella facility in Russia does not have the capability to built large ships, so they will be building it in Germany.

                      This is the case with these private yards, once they taste blood, they start leaching upon everything.... Pella looks going the same way as that of Severnya. Greed never has its ends. These arsoles have some real contacts inside the establishment to sway the deals (which need to be broken!). Else I simply don't understand how these two yards gobble up all the orders. And on top of it they are planning to built these in Hamburg, Germany, as if the two Mistrals saga was not enough. Fking incompetent morons in the establishment. Just when I think Indian establishment is the worst, the Russian beat them hands down. And just when I feel Russian establishment is the worst, Indians beat them. No wonder both of them get along pretty well with all the mess that prop up often...

                      https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160908/1476439000.html



                      08.09.2016

                      KUBINKA (Moscow region), September 8 RIA Novosti. The Petersburg company "Pella" implements the technical specification of the Ministry of defense of Russia to create a modern support vessels for the Navy of the Russian Federation, told RIA Novosti on Thursday during an international military-technical forum "Army-2016", the representative of the company Andrey Slimy.

                      It comes with a universal marine tanker and the ship kolektorna project 23120М.

                      Kolektorna court intended for the production of road equipment, performance of repair work on ships, the transportation of dry cargoes, towing of floating objects.

                      "Now comes the test design documentation. There is a reference from the defence Ministry," said Slimy.

                      He noted that the tanker and kolektorna the ship is the engineering subsidiary of the company "Pella, Sites", located in Hamburg. There they will be built, as the Russian shipyard is not meant to build such large vessels.

                      "The court will be built in Russia on the basis of the German companies. Manual Pella, Sites" our," said Slimy.

                      He noted that the construction of ships for the Russian Navy could take place in about a year and a half, and their construction will take up to 18 months.

                      "From similar ships of the previous generation these are used in the construction of modern technologies and equipment. When they are created using innovative engineering solutions", said the representative of the shipyard.

                      OJSC "Pella" traditionally build for the Russian Navy tug boats of different tonnage from December 2015 small missile ships of the project 22800 "Karakurt" launchers RK "Caliber-NK".

                      TR1 & others, anymore info on the project and spec would be helpful.

                      "kolektorna Project 23120М" (I have lost track, is it really the one?)





                      The new "universal marine tanker"

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                      • verbatim
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 261

                        I don't see the issue with Pella.

                        It's a capable Yard, able to deliver modern vessel on schedule and with in the agreed prices.

                        The problem is with state owned yards, unable to employ modern technologies and often falling behind required schedule.

                        The choice is between old School yards, with all their constraints, and a modern and capable Yard, just lacking large enough docks.

                        Given the dire need of Russian Navy for a Speedy recapitalization, Pella sounds a logical choice.

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                        • TR1
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                          • Oct 2010
                          • 9826

                          Gorshkov testing, including sustained 130mm gun firing:

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                          • Yama
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                            • Feb 2012
                            • 636

                            Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                            That is all internal armoring though isn't it, the actual hull is just steel like any other ship, and hence would be vulnerable to any serious gunfire. Granted a few 6 inch rounds probably would not make much of an impression on such a large and subdivided ship, but they would certainly be hitting something.
                            That level of armour would be pretty close to your average WW2 era cruiser though, sans the belt armour (and not all of them had it). Hypothethically, 70 to 100mm armour would be able to resist 6" gunfire from almost all ranges, and 8" inch gunfire from long range. 70mm roof armour would be able to deflect battleship calibre gunfire from short ranges.

                            Of course, there would still be many vulnerable areas - fuel, aviation fuel, torpedoes, smaller missile magazines etc.

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                            • TR1
                              TR1
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                              • Oct 2010
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                              http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2146361.html





                              Sovershenny corvette degaussing.

                              http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2147042.html

                              And Admiral Gorshkov on its way through the Bosphorus for its first active deployment.
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                              • verbatim
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Aug 2010
                                • 261

                                I suppose you meant Admiral Grigorovich?

                                It's a real pity the second batch of Grigorovich could not be completed for the BSF.

                                Was it out of question a total rebuild of analogous turbines savaged from some dismissed vessel to provide a power plant at least for a fourth Grigorovich?

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                                • TR1
                                  TR1
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                                  • Oct 2010
                                  • 9826

                                  Yeah a typo my bad.
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                                  • Austin
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                                    • Oct 2003
                                    • 6506

                                    https://twitter.com/7FBTK/status/781393808634372096

                                    #russiannavy There was a 9-second break in time between the two Bulava SLBM launches by "Yuriy Dolgorukiy" on Sep 27
                                    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                                    • TR1
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                                      • Oct 2010
                                      • 9826

                                      http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2162591.html

                                      Excellent photo report of the project 21631 Uglich.
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                                      • Austin
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                                        • Oct 2003
                                        • 6506

                                        In the battle of the Northern fleet will include two submarines of class "Lada"

                                        http://vpk.name/news/165072_v_boevoi...assa_lada.html
                                        MOSCOW, Oct. 4 - RIA Novosti. Currently under construction in the two non-nuclear submarines of the latest Project 677 "Lada" - "Kronstadt" and "The Great Luke," will enter the battle of the Northern Fleet, said on Tuesday Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov.

                                        The head submarine of this class, "St. Petersburg" is in trial operation of the Russian Navy.

                                        "With regard to non-nuclear submarines of Project 677, now under construction of two submarines of this project:" Kronstadt "and" Great Luke ", which will be based in the zone of responsibility of the Northern Fleet," - he said in an interview with the newspaper "Moskovsky Komsomolets"
                                        "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                                        • stealthflanker
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                                          • Sep 2015
                                          • 1026

                                          Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                                          http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2162591.html

                                          Excellent photo report of the project 21631 Uglich.
                                          nice. especially the closeup of the Kalibr VLS. Seems cold launch to me, using explosive charge as gas generator instead of High pressure gas bottle found in S-300 family.

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