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  • JangBoGo
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    • Jan 2011
    • 1510

    Originally posted by Austin View Post
    Based on what I read they were support to retrofit Lada-2 with new AIP and 3 with AIP and Lion battery but now they will just keep the lada as it is and Kalina will be its latest variant ...I would think the AIP and Lion batter are not mature enough yet
    Yes. Thats what I too understood from the development. 677 Lada was considered not to "meet requirements" of future due to the AIP developments on the other side. So they paused the construction/project to give time for AIP to complete the development and certification process. It remains to be seen what all changes would be there from the current 677. If there is also a 8-cell VLS along with the AIP sections, the better.
    Not sure else to expect.....maybe changing the current 2 x diesel units to 1 x more powerful diesel, more powerful electric motor?

    But Kolomna diesel (or for that matter any other) supplier need to have strict quality control before delivery and avoid instances like what happened on 12150 Mangust class with Zevzda diesels.

    The basics of AIP is a matured tech as far as Russia is considered. They have been using it for space travel/stay for decades. The submarine AIP/Electro-chemical Generators lagged behind in development only due to financial problems.

    I'm not much enthusiastic about Lithium ion batteries as the world wide trend (on a/c) shows it needs to mature more. Submarines cant take any sort of risk with a fire at its keel. Not sure whats the status of new Russian batteries is, but Igorr did mention about the new developments in his blog or in the forum somewhere.

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    • Austin
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Oct 2003
      • 6506

      So the purge 34 BSF fleet commander has to do with the Su-24 incident , planes flying without transponder and lacks of professionalism there off ? Seems like top russian commander were not happy with the rise in tension there
      "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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      • TR1
        TR1
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        • Oct 2010
        • 9826

        Serpuhov looking sharp, nice pic BoGo.

        A couple of pics of the Sovremmeny, the first 20380 from Amur, fitting out:



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        • Yama
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Feb 2012
          • 636

          It's...progressing...so...slow...

          Also, wasn't that Sovershennyy or did they change the name?

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          • Austin
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Oct 2003
            • 6506

            Originally posted by JangBoGo View Post
            Yes. Thats what I too understood from the development. 677 Lada was considered not to "meet requirements" of future due to the AIP developments on the other side. So they paused the construction/project to give time for AIP to complete the development and certification process. It remains to be seen what all changes would be there from the current 677. If there is also a 8-cell VLS along with the AIP sections, the better.
            Not sure else to expect.....maybe changing the current 2 x diesel units to 1 x more powerful diesel, more powerful electric motor?

            But Kolomna diesel (or for that matter any other) supplier need to have strict quality control before delivery and avoid instances like what happened on 12150 Mangust class with Zevzda diesels.

            The basics of AIP is a matured tech as far as Russia is considered. They have been using it for space travel/stay for decades. The submarine AIP/Electro-chemical Generators lagged behind in development only due to financial problems.

            I'm not much enthusiastic about Lithium ion batteries as the world wide trend (on a/c) shows it needs to mature more. Submarines cant take any sort of risk with a fire at its keel. Not sure whats the status of new Russian batteries is, but Igorr did mention about the new developments in his blog or in the forum somewhere.

            With new AIP and LiOn battery they are aiming for 55-60 days submerged endurance at slow speed , and LiOn battery would increase the distance a sub can travel 3x time at top speed compared to the current battery.
            "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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            • ijozic
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • May 2014
              • 613

              Originally posted by Yama View Post
              Also, wasn't that Sovershennyy or did they change the name?
              They didn't. You can see it quite clearly on the hull. Must have been a typo due to similar names.

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              • TR1
                TR1
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                • Oct 2010
                • 9826

                Forgot the name, didn't bother checking. What, you guys expect me to commit it all to memory?
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                • TR1
                  TR1
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                  • Oct 2010
                  • 9826

                  BIG photos of Grigorovich, great for detail scrubbing:





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                  • TR1
                    TR1
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                    • Oct 2010
                    • 9826

                    Originally posted by Yama View Post
                    It's...progressing...so...slow...

                    Also, wasn't that Sovershennyy or did they change the name?
                    Apparently the photos are from a year ago.

                    This is what it looked like 2 months ago or so:

                    Last edited by TR1; 12th July 2016, 04:32.
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                    • TR1
                      TR1
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                      • Oct 2010
                      • 9826

                      Time to celebrate, Fizik is finally here!



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                      • TR1
                        TR1
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                        • Oct 2010
                        • 9826

                        And a couple of photos from the Baltic:



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                        • Austin
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 6506

                          Looks like Fizik is a wire guided torpedo and can be even fired from Kilo's 533 mm TT , Guess they will get rid of USET-80 soon
                          "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                          • El_Indigo
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Jul 2006
                            • 287

                            It's Wire-guided and active/passive homing torpedo as i said previously. And why wouldn't it fir into kilo's torp tubes ?

                            What ? You mean Baltic fleet.

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                            • Austin
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 6506

                              Originally posted by El_Indigo View Post
                              It's Wire-guided and active/passive homing torpedo as i said previously. And why wouldn't it fir into kilo's torp tubes ?

                              What ? You mean Baltic fleet.
                              Well never saw any modern torpedo on Kilo so far , the best that I saw even on Indian kilo was USET-80 , so its welcome change.

                              What ever happened to UGST ? Did it went into production or was it cancelled ?
                              "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                              • El_Indigo
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Jul 2006
                                • 287

                                UGST was the Export version of Fizik-1 torpedo. But was introduced before it was really ready.

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                                • Austin
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Oct 2003
                                  • 6506

                                  Originally posted by El_Indigo View Post
                                  UGST was the Export version of Fizik-1 torpedo. But was introduced before it was really ready.
                                  Thanks , Fizik-1 appears to be thermal torpedo , are they working on any new electrical torpedo ?

                                  This is what I found on UGST http://survincity.com/2012/06/the-th...om-the-depths/
                                  Last edited by Austin; 18th July 2016, 12:04.
                                  "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                                  • Austin
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Oct 2003
                                    • 6506

                                    Problems with Poliment-Redut ?

                                    http://vpk.name/news/159645_U_AlmazA...a_raketyi.html
                                    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                                    • Scar
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Nov 2015
                                      • 682

                                      Originally posted by Austin View Post
                                      Problems with 9M96 missile...as usual.((

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                                      • Austin
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Oct 2003
                                        • 6506

                                        Found this on Sengupta Blog , Test-71ME Torpedoes one is multipurpose variant the other seems telecontrolled ASW variant.

                                        I wonder what tele-control means are they guided by Wire so called wire guided ?

                                        TEST-71ME-NK https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ac-nWGvfC...E-NK%2BHWT.jpg

                                        This one does a zig zag trajectory while approaching the ship , appears to have wake homer

                                        TEST-71MKE -- https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zf92QlJ-W...1MKE%2BHWT.jpg

                                        CMS for Kilo Upgrade https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dT_1MCK0Q...-EKM%2BCMS.jpg
                                        "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                                        • TR1
                                          TR1
                                          http://tiny.cc/tp8kd
                                          • Oct 2010
                                          • 9826

                                          Third project 22220 nuclear icebreaker, Ural, laid down @ Baltisky Zavod.

                                          http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2034865.html
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