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  • TR1
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    • Oct 2010
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    The 949AM project (being worked on at Zvezda) has the Granit replaced by 3 Onix/Kalibr/etc per silo.

    They are already modernizing the submarines, work started some time ago.
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    • stealthflanker
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      • Sep 2015
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      Originally posted by TR1 View Post
      The 949AM project (being worked on at Zvezda) has the Granit replaced by 3 Onix/Kalibr/etc per silo.

      They are already modernizing the submarines, work started some time ago.
      oooh this is good news.

      Though well i hope those "plug ins" are optional. so granit can still be fitted there.

      Or..perhaps anti carrier operation is no longer a priority for Russian navy.

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      • TR1
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        • Oct 2010
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        Anti carrier is still a priority, Onix/Kalibr are still long ranged, supersonic anti-ship missiles. Not quite as brutal as Granit, but more flexible overall.

        Granit will serve for some time longer, but as it is no longer produced and everything is moving towards UKSK-type compatibility...its days are numbered.
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        • TR1
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          • Oct 2010
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          http://alexeyvvo.livejournal.com/149487.html

          Wow, some confirmation the Nakhimov is getting 10 UKSK installations- 80 cells in total.

          Also, the order mentions the integration of the 3K22- the Zircon hypersonic missile under development.

          Maybe the 949AMs will recieve Zircon later on as well .
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          • TR1
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            • Oct 2010
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            Grigorovich, weapons trials:



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            • Austin
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              • Oct 2003
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              Originally posted by TR1 View Post
              http://alexeyvvo.livejournal.com/149487.html

              Wow, some confirmation the Nakhimov is getting 10 UKSK installations- 80 cells in total.

              Also, the order mentions the integration of the 3K22- the Zircon hypersonic missile under development.

              Maybe the 949AMs will recieve Zircon later on as well .
              Zircon is hypersonic brahmos , two variant of hypersonic.

              Mach 5.5 will use modified Ramjet engine
              Mach 7 will use scramjet engine which will come later
              "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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              • TR1
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                • Oct 2010
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                I don't think the design has anything to do with Onix. It is a clean slate, and work started on before/separately from Brahmos 2.
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                • Austin
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                  • Oct 2003
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                  Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                  I don't think the design has anything to do with Onix. It is a clean slate, and work started on before/separately from Brahmos 2.
                  It has nothing to do with Onyx , they are using a more effecient ramjet engine to give it a Mach 5 plus speed that itself is a new design and its the same as Brahmos 2.

                  Scramjet powered Brahmos/Zircon is still a decade away.
                  "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                  • YU1
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                    • Feb 2011
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                    An agreement on leasing another Russian nuclear-powered submarine to India is to be signed at the Russian-Indian summit in December, a source at Indias Defense Ministry told TASS. According to the Russian source, the submarine will undergo fundamental upgrade in line with the customers requirements at the Amur shipyards, where it is at the moment. The repair, upgrade and testing work and the Indian crews training are to be completed by 2018.
                    http://tass.ru/en/defense/831746

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                    • El_Indigo
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                      • Jul 2006
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                      Originally posted by Austin View Post
                      It has nothing to do with Onyx , they are using a more effecient ramjet engine to give it a Mach 5 plus speed that itself is a new design and its the same as Brahmos 2.

                      Scramjet powered Brahmos/Zircon is still a decade away.
                      And this info you have from where exactly ?

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                      • Austin
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                        • Oct 2003
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                        Originally posted by El_Indigo View Post
                        And this info you have from where exactly ?
                        I cannot tell you that but recall statement from Tactical Missile Burea chief that managed to get sustained Mach 5 burning and also recent statement from Brahmos chief who mentioned Advanced Ramjet for Hypersonic Speed up to Mach 5 plus and Scramjet in 10 year

                        http://nationaldefense.ru/includes/p...8/detail.shtml
                        "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                        • YU1
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                          • Feb 2011
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                          On October 29, 2015, Vyborg Shipyard (United Shipbuilding Corporation) will hold a ceremonial launching of diesel-electric icebreaker Novorossiysk (Project 21900М), the shipyards press center says. Novorossiysk is the sister ship of Vladivostok delivered to the customs in October 2015.
                          http://en.portnews.ru/news/208934/

                          By the way, has anyone seen any news about the 2nd ships? Murmansk should be very close to been Commissioned but I haven't seen any news about the ship for a while now.

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                          • YU1
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                            • Feb 2011
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                            Recent news about trials.

                            Sea trials of ocean rescue vessel Igor Belousov, built for the Navy of Russia, were held in the waters of the Atlantic Ocean and the Baltic Sea, says press center of RF Defence Ministry. The vessel arrived in St. Petersburg to prepare for the state tests, which are scheduled for the second half of November this year. The rescue vessel Igor Belousov is planned to make part of the Russian Navy by the end of 2015, after completion of state trials.
                            http://en.portnews.ru/news/208980/

                            Autonomous underwater working vehicle ARS-600 tested in the Black Sea.
                            http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/69753/

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                            • El_Indigo
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                              • Jul 2006
                              • 287

                              Originally posted by Austin View Post
                              I cannot tell you that but recall statement from Tactical Missile Burea chief that managed to get sustained Mach 5 burning and also recent statement from Brahmos chief who mentioned Advanced Ramjet for Hypersonic Speed up to Mach 5 plus and Scramjet in 10 year

                              http://nationaldefense.ru/includes/p...8/detail.shtml

                              NPO Mash isn't part of the KTRV though. So he's not talking about their work.

                              Raduga however is part of KTRV and has been both working on high supersonic and hyper-sonic direction again. And have at least a supersonic missile in the works aimed for service.


                              It could be that BrahMos II and Zircon are one and the same missile just one not restricted by missile technology control regime. And could indeed end up using Ramjet for Hypersonic Speeds and later are planned to have scramjet. However it also could be that Zircon will use a scramjet while BrahMos II will use a ramjet which may perhaps be from previous work from NPO Mash. (even perhaps Onyx's derived ramjet ? )

                              For example Yakhont and BrahMos both used older ramjet compared to the one in Onyx as far as I understand. Only now with Korean Yakhont and BrahMos mini does it seem NPO Mash is not restricted exporting Onyx's ramjet.

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                              • Austin
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                                • Oct 2003
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                                For Hypersonic Program they have unified their effort because of complex nature of the program so its not KTRV , NPO Mash etc but one single entity working on Hypersonic Program so you can take his statement for entire hypersonic program on scramjet.

                                And Indian Brahmos Chief Sudhir Mishra said the same thing regarding Scramjet program that it would take a decade to develop.

                                Onyx ,Brahmos etc uses the same engine and its a TVC Ramjet engine allowing it to accurately hit the target
                                "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                                • YU1
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                                  • Feb 2011
                                  • 241

                                  Partly the same news as before but with better links and with pics.

                                  Brand new oceanographic research vessel Yantar joins Russias Northern Fleet (photo)
                                  http://en.portnews.ru/news/209005/

                                  Vyborg Shipyard launches icebreaker Novorossiysk of Project 21900М (photo)
                                  http://en.portnews.ru/news/209007/

                                  Trials of two unique autonomous underwater search-and-rescue vehicles ARS-600 completed in the Black Sea
                                  http://en.portnews.ru/news/209009/

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                                  • TR1
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                                    • Oct 2010
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                                    Grigorovich firing missiles and gun.
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                                    • Austin
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                                      • Oct 2003
                                      • 6506

                                      What missile did they fire horizontally from that ship ?
                                      "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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                                      • TR1
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                                        • Oct 2010
                                        • 9826

                                        Shtil- 9M317M


                                        EDIT: or do you mean the AShM target from the small rocket ships? That's just good old Termit.
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                                        • Austin
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                                          • Oct 2003
                                          • 6506

                                          Yes I realised it fired from another ship , Do they use Termit to test Shtil-1 interception ?

                                          Here is a list of current ship strength of RuN

                                          http://russianships.info/today/
                                          "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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