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  • Sterne82
    Red Samovar
    • Aug 2005
    • 49

    Originally posted by haavarla View Post
    What kind of ship is behind the 531?
    Izdeliye 22160.

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    • LMFS
      Rank 4 Registered User
      • Feb 2018
      • 561

      Originally posted by JangBoGo View Post
      This shows why Russia needs Pr.11441 upgraded Kirov class and (follow it up with) Pr.23560 Lider class cruisers more than ever before. The only solution to US deployment (which the Russians already foresaw) is by having a 24x7 presence off the DC coast with cruise missiles. Nothing else will do.
      An answer is already planned, in order to put the "gun" as close to US's "head" as they are putting it to Russia's. First, IRBMs close to Bering would have a brief flight covering the whole US Western half, from the nuclear sites to the East to California in the South. Second, Zirkon-loaded SSNs spread around US continental landmass, which would cover all the critical areas in the East Coast too without the need to bother any third country and are all but impossible to locate, given the size of the sea area involved.

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      • haavarla
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Dec 2008
        • 6715

        Originally posted by LMFS View Post

        An answer is already planned, in order to put the "gun" as close to US's "head" as they are putting it to Russia's. First, IRBMs close to Bering would have a brief flight covering the whole US Western half, from the nuclear sites to the East to California in the South. Second, Zirkon-loaded SSNs spread around US continental landmass, which would cover all the critical areas in the East Coast too without the need to bother any third country and are all but impossible to locate, given the size of the sea area involved.
        As debated above. the problem is not fielding the Hull of a new DD. Its the propulsion. But keep in mind there is also the Funding. Why do you think Russia keep upgrading their existing fleet to the large point as they have done..
        Thanks

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        • LMFS
          Rank 4 Registered User
          • Feb 2018
          • 561

          Originally posted by haavarla View Post

          As debated above. the problem is not fielding the Hull of a new DD. Its the propulsion. But keep in mind there is also the Funding. Why do you think Russia keep upgrading their existing fleet to the large point as they have done..
          The destroyer would IMO be more of an ABM asset, in case they manage to get S-500 onboard, than a tool to bomb US with CMs. And most probably it will have nuclear propulsion, which is not a problem in Russia from what I know. They need to update Severnoye, that is where they plan to build them.

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          • Tango III
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Sep 2006
            • 25370

            Google on-line translate.

            The readiness of the Admiral Nakhimov heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser undergoing repair and modernization at Sevmash is now 50%, the ship will be handed over to the Russian Navy at the end of 2022, Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko told reporters on Monday.

            Krivoruchko added that it would be “the most modern cruiser armed with high-precision long-range weapons”: the protection of the ship will be provided by the Fort-M and Pantsir-M air defense systems, as well as the powerful Pack-NK and Response anti-submarine weapons .


            https://ria.ru/20190909/1558505440.html

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            • haavarla
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Dec 2008
              • 6715

              Originally posted by LMFS View Post

              The destroyer would IMO be more of an ABM asset, in case they manage to get S-500 onboard, than a tool to bomb US with CMs. And most probably it will have nuclear propulsion, which is not a problem in Russia from what I know. They need to update Severnoye, that is where they plan to build them.
              A NC propulsion still takes lot of time and $$$ to build, and believe it or not they have just as much if not higher maintenance cost vs Diesel engines.
              Thanks

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              • Dr.Snufflebug
                Boggleboople snufflebug
                • Aug 2012
                • 530

                Two 15kt LHD-esques to be laid down at Zaliv:

                https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%93%D0%B...D0%B0%D0%B746/

                Sounds definite, and like a bit of Mistral redux.
                Last edited by Dr.Snufflebug; 11th September 2019, 08:03.
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                • LMFS
                  Rank 4 Registered User
                  • Feb 2018
                  • 561

                  Originally posted by haavarla View Post

                  A NC propulsion still takes lot of time and $$$ to build, and believe it or not they have just as much if not higher maintenance cost vs Diesel engines.
                  NPPs are certainly not for third world navies I know, but VMF is not one of them and they already have a sizeable fleet of nuclear submarines and right now probably the best nuclear technology all around. New reactors are apparently not going to need substitution of the nuclear fuel almost for the entire life of the ship, so they associated costs will decrease notably.

                  Originally posted by Dr.Snufflebug
                  Two 15kt LHD-esques to be laid down at Zaliv:

                  https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%93%D0%B...D0%B0%D0%B746/

                  Sounds definite, and like a bit of Mistral redux.
                  Good find, maybe we get to see these two sooner than expected (construction was scheduled for 2021)

                  https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6592830

                  Now they say 15 kT and > 10 helos, before they said 15-20, which would be a lot for that displacement but still possible, if they use their new semi-catamaran hulls for the LHDs. It would be an ideal application.

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