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  • 19K11
    Rank 4 Registered User
    • Sep 2011
    • 226

    Kuznetsov upgrade.

    Anyone know just what the upgrade of the Russian CV Kuznetsov is going to consist of?
  • steely dan
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Oct 2009
    • 104

    #2
    from wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt:


    In April 2010 it was announced that by the end of 2012 the ship will enter Severodvinsk Sevmash shipyard for a major refit and modernisation. The report states that the refit will include upgrades to the obsolete electronics and sensor equipment, installation of the new anti-aircraft system and increase of the air wing by the removal of the P-700 Granit anti-ship missiles. Upgrades might also include exchanging the troublesome steam powerplant to the gas-turbine or even nuclear propulsion and installation of catapults to the angled deck.
    source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_...iral_Kuznetsov

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    • JangBoGo
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Jan 2011
      • 1502

      #3
      ^^^ most of it is probably not correct.
      But new electronics and systems are for sure. Removal of Granit missile another high probability. But it wont make a difference on the air-wing. Maybe give some additional storage space underneath. New air-wing consisting of at least 24 x MiG-29K is a definite though.

      Change over to gas turbine not likely and probably will continue with the current set up. Maybe be they will replace the old boilers with KVG-3D diesel units that is also installed in INS Vikramaditya.

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      • Witcha
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jun 2010
        • 1241

        #4
        Like JangBoGo says. Most of the rumoured 'upgrades' listed in articles are fanciful dreams of a journalist who doesn't know better. Stuff like changing the propulsion system to a completely different type, installing steam catapults and so on are about as likely as converting the entire Kilo fleet into Akulas.

        What's more realistic is that the Kuz's propulsion plant issues will finally be resolved once and for all by replacing its boilers with the new model created for the Vikramaditya. Other systems will get a thorough overhaul and perhaps be modernized along the lines of the Vikramaditya as well; like the new Lesorub-E CMS, newer radio/communications equipment, an improved TACAN etc. Some of the new technology acquired with the Mistrals may also be applied.

        Hopefully complaints regarding living conditions on the ship(plumbing not working, insufficient heating for cold weather, lack of auxiliary boilers etc) will also be solved.

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        • TR1
          TR1
          http://tiny.cc/tp8kd
          • Oct 2010
          • 9805

          #5
          Too early to tell.
          Reconstruction will be significant using experience from Gorshkov.
          They are still planning scope of rebuild.
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          • JangBoGo
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jan 2011
            • 1502

            #6
            Now that INS Vikramaditya has started sea trials and is to be ready to be delivered on 4th December...what are the plans for Kuznetsov?
            Will she be docked for upgradation this year itself after INS Vikramaditya vacates Sevmash or are they going to waste time and prolong it?


            @TR1
            reconstruction might be significant, but it is unlikely to have any structural changes like Admiral Gorshkov as Kuznetsov is a full blown aircraft carrier. The only thing that I see is probably removal of the Granit missile silos. It need to be seen if they go in for Nuclear power plants.

            Russian Marine Nuclear plants
            http://www.okbm.nnov.ru/english/npp

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            • Witcha
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jun 2010
              • 1241

              #7
              Originally posted by JangBoGo View Post
              Now that INS Vikramaditya has started sea trials and is to be ready to be delivered on 4th December...what are the plans for Kuznetsov?
              Will she be docked for upgradation this year itself after INS Vikramaditya vacates Sevmash or are they going to waste time and prolong it?


              @TR1
              reconstruction might be significant, but it is unlikely to have any structural changes like Admiral Gorshkov as Kuznetsov is a full blown aircraft carrier. The only thing that I see is probably removal of the Granit missile silos. It need to be seen if they go in for Nuclear power plants.

              Russian Marine Nuclear plants
              http://www.okbm.nnov.ru/english/npp
              Everything will depend on funding allocation. In the past many Russian ships and subs have sit at pierside or in dry dock for years intermittent allocation for repair. I have a feeling the Russian Navy will wait till they can finalize a fairly steady flow of funds before moving it in dry dock; else the Kuznetsov may suffer a similar fate as the Kirovs, which have been awaiting refurbishment for over a decade.

              I personally believe the refurbishment work will be more practical, and mainly aim to modernize and overhaul the carrier for another 15-20 years of service
              as opposed to a major rebuild. The boilers will be replaced and the electronics upgraded, but no nuclear reactors or steam catapults. As for the Granits, it appears they're directly below the angled flight deck, so if the VLS cells are adjacent to the hangar it may be possible to extend the latter.

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              • Wanshan
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2004
                • 3929

                #8
                The hangar is not adjacent to the launcher bay.





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                • Witcha
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 1241

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Wanshan View Post
                  The hangar is not adjacent to the launcher bay.
                  Thanks a lot! May I know where you got those drawings?

                  From those pics it's unlikely that removing the Granits will allow for a hangar extension as people have speculated. That area can better be used for additional fuel bunkarage or storage of ammunition for the aircraft.

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                  • Fedaykin
                    Fueled by Tea
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 5290

                    #10
                    Well any upgrade should involve the cutting of several hundred holes for oarlocks to allow the crew to row when the boilers inevitably break down.
                    Because sometimes in life we need a bit of fun

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXNAp3mKepc

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                    • 19K11
                      Rank 4 Registered User
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 226

                      #11
                      Thats just silly. All they would need is a few holes in the flight deck for some masts. Taking the missiles out would leave plenty of room to store the sails.

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                      • TR1
                        TR1
                        http://tiny.cc/tp8kd
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 9805

                        #12
                        http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attac...126&download=2

                        Awesome photo of Granit being launched from Kuznetsov.
                        sigpic

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                        • Wanshan
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 3929

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Witcha View Post
                          Thanks a lot! May I know where you got those drawings?

                          From those pics it's unlikely that removing the Granits will allow for a hangar extension as people have speculated. That area can better be used for additional fuel bunkarage or storage of ammunition for the aircraft.
                          http://paralay.com/atakr.html

                          You could still do it if you use areas immediately forward of the hanger and relocate their functions to other vacated areas (due to missile launcher removal) located even further forward.

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                          • Wanshan
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2004
                            • 3929

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Fedaykin View Post
                            Well any upgrade should involve the cutting of several hundred holes for oarlocks to allow the crew to row when the boilers inevitably break down.
                            Certainly no lack of vision here

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                            • JangBoGo
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 1502

                              #15
                              Originally posted by TR1 View Post
                              http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attac...126&download=2

                              Awesome photo of Granit being launched from Kuznetsov.
                              thats awesome. One single missile and the entire foredeck is clouded.... it would be scary to see the Granit's blast off in quick succession.

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                              • 19K11
                                Rank 4 Registered User
                                • Sep 2011
                                • 226

                                #16
                                It would be scary if one had gone off in the silo!

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                                • Fedaykin
                                  Fueled by Tea
                                  • Dec 2005
                                  • 5290

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Wanshan View Post
                                  Certainly no lack of vision here
                                  Строку, которую сыновья шлюх!

                                  Well that is what google translate says!
                                  Because sometimes in life we need a bit of fun

                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXNAp3mKepc

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                                  • Wanshan
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Sep 2004
                                    • 3929

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Fedaykin View Post
                                    Строку, которую сыновья шлюх!

                                    Well that is what google translate says!
                                    <chuckle>

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