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Roketsan of Turkey introduces its new anti-ship missile- ATMACA

+ 200km range
+ 800 kg
+ INS/GPS+RA+DL (all indigenously produced)
+ Indigenous KALE engine
+ GPS to be compatible with Turkish Regional Global Positioning Satellites independent of US & Russian systems

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Turkey discussing purchase of Patriot Advanced Capability – 3 (PAC-3) interceptors from Lockheed Martin.

This will mean Turkey will field 4 different High Altitude Air Defence Systems:

(1) S-400- Contract already signed. Funds transfered.
(2) MBDA ASTER 30-SAMP/T- Co-production Contract Signed.
(3) Roketsan HISAR-U- Indigenous development. Low & Medium Altitude Segments already developed and tested. High Altitude system development efforts nearing completion.
(4) Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3)- Co-production being discussed with Lockheed Martin.

Some systems may be used to provide Air Cover for Turkey's bases in Qatar and Somalia.

Turkey is still interested in Patriot defense systems, Turkish official says
https://www.dailysabah.com/diplomacy/2017/10/08/turkey-is-still-interested-in-patriot-defense-systems-turkish-official-says

RAGIP SOYLU @ragipsoylu
WASHINGTON, D.C., Published: 13 hours ago

The Turkish government is still in talks with Washington about the possible sale of Patriot missile defense systems, a senior Turkish official said Friday.

Turkey's main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) Deputy Chairman Öztürk Yılmaz, who visited Washington last week, told a group of Turkish journalists on Friday that Turkey contacted Americans about the Patriot systems two to three weeks ago.

The Turkish official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, confirmed Yılmaz's remarks and said that Turkey was routinely conducting this kind of talks and Turkish expectations on the deal has not changed. "For us, technology transfer and joint production are the necessary conditions for purchase," the official said.

Turkey recently reached an agreement with Russia to buy S-400 missile defense systems. Both the Turkish and Russian side acknowledged that Turkey paid a down payment for the weapons. The Turkish official said Ankara had intended to use the Russian system for urgent needs and was still looking for another system for longer-term use.

Yılmaz, who had a series of meetings with officials from the White House, the State Department and Pentagon, said even though two countries reach a deal on a possible sale of the Patriot, it would be almost impossible to get it authorized by Congress due to severe anti-Turkey sentiment.

At the White House, Yılmaz, a former senior Turkish diplomat, met a large delegation of American officials, including Fiona Hill, deputy assistant to the president and senior director for European and Russian Affairs, and Molly Montgomery, special adviser for Europe, Eurasia and Russia.

Yılmaz said his interactions with American officials made him think that the U.S. wouldn't budge from its support to terror group PKK's Syrian armed wing People's Protection Units (YPG) against Daesh. "But American officials are looking for ways to re-vitalize relations and satisfy Turkish concerns in Syria and in the region" he said.

Many experts in Washington previously told Daily Sabah that the Trump administration had not had a Turkey policy. This extended meeting with senior American officials with an opposition leader suggests that the White House is doing prep work on a new strategy.

Yılmaz believes American officials are more closely following Turkish domestic politics, and in his meetings with the congressmen, he realized that they have much more awareness about Turkish affairs.

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One would need to very loosely define "high altitude" if one claims the Aster 30 and the PAC-3 fit that bill. There is a high altitude interceptor Lockheed makes and it is not the PAC-3. There is a reason the Patriot (of which PAC-3 is one interceptor) is known as a "Lower Tier" system.

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Kremlin denies claims that it will not share S-400 technology with Turkey. Confirms that Turkey and Russia are discussing co-production.

Earlier the Turkish Foreign Minister had stated in response to reports that Russia would not transfer technology that if this is the case Turkey will look elsewhere.

Kremlin Comments on Turkish FM's Remark on Possible Cancelation of S-400 Deal © Sputnik/ Sergey Malgavko
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14:18 09.10.2017(updated 17:03 09.10.2017)
https://sputniknews.com/military/201710091058067859-kremlin-turkey-s400-technology/

The Turkish foreign minister said that Ankara may cancel the deal on the acquisition of the S-400 air defense systems if Russia does not agree to jointly produce the military equipment. The Kremlin has commented on the issue.

Russia and Turkey are holding expert level talks on a possible deal to transfer technology for production of Russian S-400 air defense systems, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters Monday.

"I can tell you that contacts and negotiations at the expert level in the context of this deal continue," Peskov said when asked whether Russia was ready to transfer to Turkey technology to jointly manufacture S-400 systems on the country's territory.

The statement comes as Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said earlier in the day that Ankara expects that Russia and Turkey will launch joint production of S-400 missile defense systems, but if the Russian side refuses to cooperate, Turkey will have to find other partners.

"We have agreed in principle on joint production in the middle- and long-term. If Russians do not agree, we will sign an agreement with another country. But we have not received any negative messages [from Moscow] regarding this issue. Putin said that the two sides could take steps to launch a joint production," Cavusoglu said in an interview with the Aksam newspaper.

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Turkey now discussing S-500 purchase with Russia as alternative to THAAD

Erdogan: Turkey considers S-500 systems

13 Oct in 9:40
http://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/Erdogan-Turkey-considers-S-500-systems.html

Erdogan: Turkey considers S-500 systems
Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said talks have been held with Russia on the S-500 system.

He also noted that there was no problem with Turkey’s planned purchase of S-400 surface-to-air missile systems, Haberturk reported.

Speaking to reporters, Erdogan said there would be no joint production in the first stage of S-400 purchases, but in the second stage “God willing we will take joint production steps”.

"In our talks with (Russia President Vladimir) Putin we are not thinking of stopping with the S-400s. We have had talks on the S-500s too," he added, referring to a missile system currently under development.

Spuknik also confirms talks: https://www.rt.com/news/406552-turkey-russsia-s400-s500/

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Turkish Indigenous Anti-Ship missile ATMACA is undergoing testing.

ATMACA Tested For The First Time
http://en.c4defence.com/Agenda/atmaca-tested-for-the-first-time/4988/1

Speaking the 8th Marine Systems Seminar held today, Turkish Naval Technical Commander General Admiral Ahmet Çakır gave information about the maritime platforms and shared a new info regarding anti-ship missile ATMACA. Cakir explained that ATMACA anti-ship missile was tested for the first time. ATMACA, developed by ROKETSAN indigenously and designed to replace the Harpoon missiles currently used by the Turkish Naval Forces, was a project kept secret until now. The Naval Technical Commander added that the missile will be subjected to tests onboard ships in the coming periods.

ATMACA, which is said to have a range of over 200 kilometres, has a weight of 800 kilograms. On the other hand, 691-kilogram Harpoon has a range of 140 kilometres.

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NATO threatens Turkey over S-400 purchase.

NATO official: Turkey faces ‘consequences’ if purchase of S-400 completed
By: Aaron Mehta   11 hours ago
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https://www.defensenews.com/land/2017/10/25/nato-official-turkey-faces-consequences-if-purchase-of-s-400-completed/

Turkey announced its choice to buy the Russian S-400 in September, but is yet to sign final paperwork on the deal. (Paul Gypteau/AFP via Getty Images)

WASHINGTON — A top NATO official has warned of “necessary consequences” for Turkey should the alliance member purchase a Russian air-defense system.

Gen. Petr Pavel, chairman of NATO’s Military Committee, said Wednesday that while each nation is free to make its own defense decisions, Turkey’s planned buy of the S-400 system would preclude Anakara from being part of any integrated air-defense system with NATO allies, and may result in other technical restrictions.

“The principal of sovereignty obviously exists in acquisition of defense equipment, but the same way that nations are sovereign in making their decision, they are also sovereign in facing the consequences of that decision,” Pavel told a group of reporters hosted by the Defense Writers Group.

While Turkey announced its choice of the S-400 in September, Ankara has yet to sign final paperwork on the deal, and until they do, Pavel said it is “fair among allies to have that discussion, to raise all concerns and potential difficulties.”

Other concerns raised by Pavel about the system were “most security” focused, noting that even if NATO missile defense systems are not integrated with the S-400, its mere presence “creates challenges for allied assets potentially deployed onto the territory of that country.”

Notably, Turkey is both a partner nation and a sustainment hub for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Program, which is central to the future air power of several NATO nations, including the U.S. and the U.K. Some experts have questioned if an S-400 system active in Turkey could gain information about the stealthy jet that could have operational impact down the line.

Still, Pavel said Turkey remains a key part of NATO, even as outside groups have raised concerns that the government of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is sliding away from democracy.

“When it comes to democratic deficits, show me one single nation that is perfect. No one is perfect,” Pavel said. “No one challenges the role of Turkey as an important ally at the very difficult crossroads of challenges to the alliance.”

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That's not a threat. It's a factual statement.

S-400 cannot be integrated with NATO air defence systems, for obvious reasons. Saying that is not a threat. It's a reminder of facts. Turkey is free to buy what it likes, but when decisions are taken it is wise to consider their consequences. Turkey's NATO allies would prefer Turkey to have an air defence system integrated with theirs, also for obvious reasons.

Turkey will need Russian support to maintain S-400 in service. NATO air forces would not want to exercise in an environment with Russian technicians, data being recorded by systems Russians have access to etc. Again, the reasons are obvious.

Speaking about these matters is not issuing threats.

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Both Greece and Bulgaria have S-300PMU's. Both are NATO member States.

Turkey has repeatedly also stated that its S-400 and possible S-500 (post-2020) will not be integrated to the NATO Air Defence system structure and that Turkey intends to create an independent Air Defence capability.

Telling Turkey there will be "consequences" when NATO countries such as Greece and Bulgaria still hold S-300 PMU's is a veiled threat.

In any event the political ties between Turkey and the US and EU are almost non-existent at the moment. Officials of both countries cannot even visit each other due to a ban on VISA's.

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It's a reminder of facts. Turkey is free to buy what it likes, but when decisions are taken it is wise to consider their consequences. Turkey's NATO allies would prefer Turkey to have an air defence system integrated with theirs, also for obvious reasons.

Turkey will need Russian support to maintain S-400 in service. NATO air forces would not want to exercise in an environment with Russian technicians, data being recorded by systems Russians have access to etc. Again, the reasons are obvious.

Speaking about these matters is not issuing threats.

Well put. Turkey has a right to pick and choose what it wants. Other NATO members also have a right to reciprocate independently or as a group as they see best from the perspective of both the alliance and their own interests.

IMHO, at the very least those 100 F-35s should be off the table and Nukes should be removed.

Telling Turkey there will be "consequences" when NATO countries such as Greece and Bulgaria still hold S-300 PMU's is a veiled threat.

Not really. Individual NATO members, or large number of them collectively can do as they see fit vis-a-vis Turkish interest in an Integrated Air Defense System sourced from the alliance's primary adversarial power.

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We can then safely assume that Turkey has de facto exited NATO and that it is a de jure NATO member State.

It also looks like Turkey will be the next country to have PAK-FA's as anticipated.

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I don't have any issue with Turkey acquiring S400, 500, 600, PAKFA, PAKDA etc if that is what it sees in its best interest or export its uber defense wares to Russia. I however expect strategic shifts in defense acquisition, particularly in acquiring the S400/500, force supplier nations to think long and hard at their prior deals, partnerships and offers. Buying a strategic IAMD system from a NATO adversary signals a strategic shift that the western NATO partners need to counter either unilaterally or together as a group. An easy choice would be to kick Turkey out of the JSF if the S400/500 deal goes through. The Nukes will likely quietly be removed w/o us hearing much about them.

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Both Greece and Bulgaria have S-300PMU's. Both are NATO member States.

Turkey has repeatedly also stated that its S-400 and possible S-500 (post-2020) will not be integrated to the NATO Air Defence system structure and that Turkey intends to create an independent Air Defence capability.

Telling Turkey there will be "consequences" when NATO countries such as Greece and Bulgaria still hold S-300 PMU's is a veiled threat. .


You're reading far too much into this. Other NATO members are unhappy with a major NATO ally, far more important than Bulgaria or Greece, choosing to separate itself from NATO systems which it's been integrated with up to now, & are expressing that unhappiness. It's normal in open societies for opinions to be expressed.

Bulgaria has weapons dating from before it joined NATO.

Greece has weapons bought by Cyprus, a non-NATO country for use outside NATO, but not stationed there because of political pressure. Instead, they were transferred to Greece, & stationed in Crete, where their lack of integration into the integrated AD system would be of least significance. There was a political crisis over the whole affair. I remember it well. At least one government fell.

Compared to that, a bit of minor grumbling by other NATO countries over Turkey's plans is trivial. Why are you making such a big deal of it?

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Greece and Bulgria are bankrupt irrelevant countries that simply cant afford fast upgrades on system. Turkey case is entirely different. It will be modern system with continous upgrades. Plus Turkey is far more depended economically on Russia that will make it more susceptible to pressures regarding western technology sharing with Russia.
Russia want Turkey to lead Islamic world against West.

in meanwhile Russia is trying constrained Turkeys rivals for now and later use it.


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/19/russias-rosneft-to-take-control-of-major-kurdish-oil-pipeline.html
Russia's Rosneft to take control of major Kurdish oil pipeline

The same approach is applied in Korea. Korea money and technology will be squeezed to Russia.


https://en.news-front.info/2017/10/25/seoul-turning-to-russia-amid-protectionist-policy-of-us-china/
SEOUL TURNING TO RUSSIA AMID PROTECTIONIST POLICY OF US, CHINA
Korean-Russian economic cooperation is now in the center of attention of our government,” Lee Jae-chool said during the presentation of investment potential of Russian regions in South Korea.

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Roketsan ATMACA anti-ship and land attack missile enters serial production.

See http://en.c4defence.com/Announcements/atmaca-cruise-missile-serial-production-agreement/7332/4
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/23612/Turkey_to_Start_Manufacturing_Anti_ship_Cruise_Mis sile#.XAHeKJMzZsM

- 200km + range (exact range classified but thought to be 290km)
- 800 kg
- INS/GPS+RA+DL (all indigenously produced)
- Data Link- Network Centricity
- Indigenous KALE engine
- GPS compatible with Turkish Regional Global Positioning Satellites independent of US & Russian systems
- Land versions, Surface Combatant versions and Submarine versions
- Can use existing Harpoon Tubes for launch or indigenous VLS systems.

Turkey has also begun lining its shoreline with Quadpacked ATMACA canisters and intends to defend its exclusive economic zone using Land based ATMACA anti-ship missiles.

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Modular Pods are being developed which can be transfered in 20 ft containers as stand-alone units. During war time they can be put on civilian container ships and controlled remotely using datalinks.

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Turkey successfully tests indigenous Vertical Launch version of the Roketsan ATMACA long-range anti-ship missile. The missile has a range greater than 300km (it was originally planned for 250+ km).

Turkey also successfully tests its new indigenous high precision Short Range Ballistic Missile- the Roketsan BORA-2. The BORA-2 has a range of 400+ km.

The BORA-2 successfully hit a sea based target with 1m CEP at a distance of 400km. 1000km and 2500km versions are in the pipeline.