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  • Don Chan
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    Originally posted by skyisthelimit View Post
    Actually, "Xiao Long" in Chinese is not small dragon. It is Xiao with the first tone
    [Mr Spock Mode ON]

    Xiao1 is pronounced Hiu in Chinese Cantonese dialect.
    Yahoo! Hong Kong translates it as "owl".
    Yahoo! Taiwan translates it as "owlet".

    Xiao1 (hiu) is commonly used in the noun xiao1 xiong2 (hiu hung), which Yahoo! Hong Kong translates as "an unscrupulous, brave, and capable person". Actually, a villain, the opposite of an hero (ying1 xiong2).

    [Mr Spock Mode OFF]

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  • Deino
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    Originally posted by MadRat View Post
    Original J-9: source = http://www.china-defense.com/aviatio...lopment-2.html

    The J-9 project ran in parallel with the J-8 project but used a completely new airframe. The design target maximum speed was Mach 2.4 at above 20,000 metres altitude. In order to achieve this target the J-9 was fitted with an 8,500kg thrust turbojet engine and the 601 Institute initially used a tailless delta design. Development at this point shifted to the newly built 611 Institute and the Chengdu Aircraft Factory. At the beginning of the 1970s, the 611 Institute proposed a new design using a canard ahead of the delta wing (not dissimilar to the Swedish Viggen), but because it required new materials and know-how plus engine performance problems it wasn't until 1975 before the design could be completed. The new J-9 design was quite advanced with air intakes on the fuselage sides featuring variable inlet geometry to alter the compression mixture. It used a 12,400 kg wet thrust turbofan engine and featured a Type 205 radar (search range about 70km) and four PL-4 radar-guided air-to-air missiles. The J-9 plan was discontinued in 1980. However, the effort was not totally wasted as the J-9 development enabled Chinese engineers to gain experience with the canard layout type, experience that would prove useful in the J-10 project.


    The FC-1/JH-17 replaced the original J-9 program and has now taken its name.
    YES, I know this project, but the J-9 was never called FC-1 - this is only a term used for the current FC-1 = JF-17 - ... the name "Fishpaste" is completely new; that's why I asked where do You have this information from, and the current FC-1 / JF-17 otherwise was never called the J-9, even if this is widely posted in the www. !!

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  • MadRat
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    Originally posted by Deino View Post
    First of all there was never a J-4 !!! ... and where do You get this "Chengdu J-9/FC-1 Fishpaste" as the Chengdu J-9 and the FC-1 are two completely different aircraft ... !
    Original J-9: source = http://www.china-defense.com/aviatio...lopment-2.html

    The J-9 project ran in parallel with the J-8 project but used a completely new airframe. The design target maximum speed was Mach 2.4 at above 20,000 metres altitude. In order to achieve this target the J-9 was fitted with an 8,500kg thrust turbojet engine and the 601 Institute initially used a tailless delta design. Development at this point shifted to the newly built 611 Institute and the Chengdu Aircraft Factory. At the beginning of the 1970s, the 611 Institute proposed a new design using a canard ahead of the delta wing (not dissimilar to the Swedish Viggen), but because it required new materials and know-how plus engine performance problems it wasn't until 1975 before the design could be completed. The new J-9 design was quite advanced with air intakes on the fuselage sides featuring variable inlet geometry to alter the compression mixture. It used a 12,400 kg wet thrust turbofan engine and featured a Type 205 radar (search range about 70km) and four PL-4 radar-guided air-to-air missiles. The J-9 plan was discontinued in 1980. However, the effort was not totally wasted as the J-9 development enabled Chinese engineers to gain experience with the canard layout type, experience that would prove useful in the J-10 project.


    The FC-1/JH-17 replaced the original J-9 program and has now taken its name.

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  • TEEJ
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    Originally posted by coldfire2005 View Post
    as you guys are talking about nato code for all aircrats can any one tell me if lca-tejas of india as got any ??
    No. The codenames only cover FSU and PRC. The one lone exception, off the top of my head, was the Czech L-29 which received the codename 'Maya'.

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  • coldfire2005
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    as you guys are talking about nato code for all aircrats can any one tell me if lca-tejas of india as got any ??

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  • skyisthelimit
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    Actually, "Xiao Long" in Chinese is not small dragon. It is Xiao with the first tone, which is a mythic bird from ancient Chinese book. It can means fierce. So the translation should be Fierce Dragon for FC-1
    J-10 is Called "Meng Long" which is Vigorous Dragon or Brave Dragon

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  • Deino
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    Originally posted by MadRat View Post
    So in summary of all the chinese fighter programs we officially have...

    Shenyang J-4 Fagot
    Shenyang J-5 Fresco
    Shenyang J-6 Farmer
    Nanchang Q-5/A-5 Fantan
    Shenyang/Chengdu J-7 Fishbed
    Shenyang J-8 Finback
    Chengdu J-9/FC-1 Fishpaste
    Shenyang J-11 Flanker
    Xian JH-7/JH-7A/FBC-1 Flounder

    Unofficially we have...

    Xian JH-7A Feibao (flying leopard)
    Chengdu JF-17 Xiaolong (small dragon)
    Chengdu J-10 Qianglong (vigorous dragon)
    Shenyang J-12 XXJ

    First of all there was never a J-4 !!! ... and where do You get this "Chengdu J-9/FC-1 Fishpaste" as the Chengdu J-9 and the FC-1 are two completely different aircraft ... !

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  • MadRat
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    So in summary of all the chinese fighter programs we officially have...

    Mikoyan J-2 Fagot
    Shenyang J-4 Fagot
    Mikoyan J-5 Fresco
    Shenyang J-5A Fresco
    Shenyang J-6 Farmer
    Nanchang Q-5/A-5 Fantan
    Shenyang/Chengdu J-7 Fishbed
    Shenyang J-8 Finback
    Chengdu J-9/FC-1/JF-17 Fishpaste
    Shenyang J-11 Flanker
    Xian JH-7/JH-7A/FBC-1 Flounder

    Unofficially we have...

    Chengdu F-7M Airguard
    Xian JH-7/JH-7A/FBC-1 Feibao ("flying leopard")
    Chengdu J-9/FC-1 Xiaolong ("fierce dragon")
    Chengdu J-10 Qianglong ("vigorous dragon"/"brave dragon")
    Chengdu F-10 Vanguard (export version of J-10 to Pakistan)
    Shenyang J-12 XXJ or J-XX
    Chengdu JF-17 Thunder (export version of FC-1 to Pakistan)

    Taiwanese...

    AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo
    ... A/B An Hsiang ("safe flight")
    ... C/D Hsiung Ying ("brave hawk")

    Updated
    Last edited by MadRat; 28th June 2007, 01:18.

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  • TEEJ
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    Originally posted by Trident View Post
    SOC says the Yak-130 is now officially the MITTEN.
    Correct. The MiG-AT was designated MISER.

    Arthur, the SH-5, like the L-39 never received one. Last 'M' was MAINRING (KJ-2000)
    Last edited by TEEJ; 26th June 2007, 19:39.

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  • Trident
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    SOC says the Yak-130 is now officially the MITTEN.

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  • Arthur
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    JH-7 is FLOUNDER. The FC-1 isn't in service yet so isn't yet named (perhaps a development codename like CHENG-B in parralel to the experimental ASCC codenames like TAG-D or RAM-P used for Soviet aircraft), the J-10 only for a short while so hasn't been named yet, the J-12 probably doesn't even exist so hasn't got a name either.

    Been wondering about the SH-5 myself, but then again it's awfully silent in the M-department of ASCC/ASIC codenames. Last one issued is the Be-40 MERMAID i think.

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  • franc
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    So what's the name they give to the J-10, JH-7 etc...?

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  • TEEJ
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    Originally posted by franc View Post
    The Q-5 was name by NATO as Fantan, J-8II got Finback, what'r those I posted?
    The names are not given by NATO.

    The organisation that generates the codenames is ASIC, formerly ASCC. ASIC is made up of US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. NATO simply uses the codenames generated.

    http://www.airstandards.com/ascc/

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  • franc
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    Originally posted by crobato View Post
    Officially, the JF-17 is Xiaolong (small dragon), JH-7A is Feibao (flying leopard) and the J-10 is Qianglong (vigorous dragon) I think. The names don't really stick.

    But if you like to know what is the Chinese internet codeword for the J-10, it is actually "stick".

    Interesting, what does small dragon look like?

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  • franc
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    The Q-5 was name by NATO as Fantan, J-8II got Finback, what'r those I posted?

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    Originally posted by crobato View Post
    Officially, the JF-17 is Xiaolong (small dragon), JH-7A is Feibao (flying leopard) and the J-10 is Qianglong (vigorous dragon) I think. The names don't really stick.

    But if you like to know what is the Chinese internet codeword for the J-10, it is actually "stick".

    What no Jugs or Hogs!

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  • crobato
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    Officially, the JF-17 is Xiaolong (small dragon), JH-7A is Feibao (flying leopard) and the J-10 is Qianglong (vigorous dragon) I think. The names don't really stick.

    But if you like to know what is the Chinese internet codeword for the J-10, it is actually "stick".

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  • franc
    started a topic What's nickname of those Chinese combat aircraft?

    What's nickname of those Chinese combat aircraft?

    FC-1
    SH-5
    JH-7
    J-10
    J-12

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