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  • Marcellogo
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Jun 2014
    • 1838

    #21
    Originally posted by mikoyan View Post
    Yeah, yeah I know , it`s ages old thread etc and so on

    But, it was my understanding that the russian kab-500 and kh-29 with video cameras needed to be manually steered until the boom moment, can someone confirm ?
    Not- it was Kh-23 (AS-7 Kerry) needing such a control, kh-25 and kh-29 with TV guidance has auto tracking.
    Real advantage of a satellite guided bomb is that its precision is not influenced by the quote of launch so the plane can operate at maximum altitude.
    Extensive use of UAV was the mean western forces used to match up the advantages of the two sistem (plus eventually glide or RAP fittings) into one weapon.
    Given the about 15 years hiatus between the posts actually would be more correct to say Jdam+ Paweway (or anything other in alternative.)

    There is actually an interesting article on the thread about russian intervention in Syria explaining how, apart from the economic collapse of the nineties, doctrinal and organizational differences left to satellite guided weapon just a niche role.
    Let me find it...
    Here we go.
    http://www.defensenews.com/story/def...yria/74041722/
    To sum it up, the so-called frontal aviation deal almost exclusively with direct tactical support to troops on field ie CAS/BAI mission, in this role vanilla sat-guided bomb have simply no role: they are less precise than other guidance systems and offer not any real advantage even when compared with unguided ones when they are coupled with updated FLIR/ targeting systems.

    They are instead useful; according to their own word, just to destroy separate targets or also to simply bomb separate cities, territories and infrastructure into oblivion, with separate meaning here "well distant from front lines": something that in their doctrine is made by the long distance aviation i.e. in this case the Su-34 only.
    Last edited by Marcellogo; 18th October 2015, 22:08.

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    • mikoyan
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Nov 2006
      • 151

      #22
      Thanks man, good link

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      • Klargplutten
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Dec 2009
        • 95

        #23
        Originally posted by BarnesW View Post
        Well actually, the latest Paveways do have GPS too and LJDAM also has laser designation too.
        Today sure , but i bet that guy was right 14 yrs ago

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        • BarnesW
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2015
          • 503

          #24
          Originally posted by Juan View Post
          First off all, JDAM can recive new targets inflight from the carrier aircraft. The italians and the isralies have IR homing noses that can be pluged into Mk series bombs, I belive the US is looking into this to add it to JDAM to give it moving target capability.

          The main reason for the inefenctiveness of LGBs during Allied Force was the weather not the LGBs. Cloud cover was havy thruout Yugo and they will break up the lase, making designation dificult at best.
          It was also damn difficult for special forces to lase ground targets from cover though dense woodland.

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          • mikoyan
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Nov 2006
            • 151

            #25
            Originally posted by BarnesW View Post
            It was also damn difficult for special forces to lase ground targets from cover though dense woodland.
            But launch plane itself could illuminate the target with an/aaq-14, right ?

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            • Marcellogo
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jun 2014
              • 1838

              #26
              Thread officially revived!
              Just to note how in passing between the vanilla Jdams to the hybrid ones the GPS guidance changed function and became a means of mid-course guidance while terminal homing is usually done trough
              other guidance systems.
              This is because they are intended to be used as glide bombs in order to increase stand off distance.
              So we have here two different Developmental path between the West and the East when it came to air launched weapons.
              In one they envisage to perform CAS mission using SDB launched from 20000 feet and an hundred km distance, the other they use SU-24 or/and -25 with OFAB bomb, rocket pods and 30 mm gun.
              Not a surprise USAF want so badly to retire A-10: it is not about the plane, it is just in the wrong aviation!

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              • Marcellogo
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jun 2014
                • 1838

                #27
                Thread officially revived!
                Just to note how in passing between the vanilla Jdams to the hybrid ones the GPS guidance changed function and became a means of mid-course guidance while terminal homing is usually done trough
                other guidance systems.
                This is because they are intended to be used as glide bombs in order to increase stand off distance.
                So we have here two different Developmental path between the West and the East when it came to air launched weapons.

                In one they envisage to perform CAS mission using SDB launched from 20000 feet and an hundred km distance, the other they use SU-24 or/and -25 with OFAB bomb, rocket pods and 30 mm gun.
                Something in the middle, not?
                Not a surprise USAF want so badly to retire A-10: it is not about the plane, it is just in the wrong aviation!

                Now according to what they showed in the latest MAKS also Russians have developed several types of stand off weapons , comprised a Kab-250 TERCOM/GLONASS bomb, so they maybe have finally found a place for them in their own arsenal,surely a smaller one than in the west but who know, maybe just the right one for such type of weapons.

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                • Sintra
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 3849

                  #28
                  Just a litle bit of information that might be in order, a JDAM complete with the explosive bit, in FY2015, costs the Pentagon 28K US$, or roughly the CPFH of one Viper. That amount in Pentagon budget "talk" is "zero, zilch, nada, niente, nothing".
                  What this means is that sticking a gps receiver and a pair of wings in a dumb bomb is inexpensive by comparison with using conventional amunitions (number of sorties versus precision), and thats the main reason why NATO went into "PGM" mode full scale. Another way to see this ATG phenomenon, in 1991 a Paveway would cost the American taxpayer roughly the same amount that he payes today for a JASSM/JASM-ER.

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