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  • roberto_yeager
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Feb 2006
    • 929

    #81
    Could be a Pod Thomson-CSF PDL-CT (Pod de Dsignation Laser-Camra Thermique)?

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    • BlackArcher
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Dec 2010
      • 4198

      #82
      Does anyone know what Mirage-2000 variant it is that the French are selling to the IAF? 2 of them are to be sold to the IAF and my guess was that they would trainers since the IAF lost 2 trainers in 2012-13 in crashes. These 2 would then be upgraded using the kits that were ordered prior to the 2 crashes.

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      • eagle
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jan 2000
        • 2344

        #83
        What pod is it on the forward right (Gun I guess) ? Is this picture recent and linked to a new configuration of use ? Strange unusual config...
        It is carrying a 30mm gun pod plus PDLCT-S targeting pod. No idea about the gun pod designation. Edit: is it a CC-420 with the rear fairing removed?

        The configuration itself is probably not what would be used operationally... just showcasing what is possible.

        What about AASMs at the rear fuselage pylons, has or will that be cleared? That would allow 4x 250 kg PGMs, gun plus tageting pod.
        Last edited by eagle; 19th October 2018, 18:40.
        How can less be more? It's impossible. More is more.
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        • halloweene
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Jan 2012
          • 4229

          #84
          On rear points are Mark 82 i guess. Interesting parts are (i)= the MICA pylons and (II) dual A/G armament (new capabilities)
          Last edited by halloweene; 22nd October 2018, 11:35.

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          • Kovy
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Apr 2004
            • 1462

            #85
            The configuration itself is probably not what would be used operationally... just showcasing what is possible.
            On the contrary, it is a specific configuration asked by the French Air Force for the MLU of the Mirage 2000D. It is currently under test and it is certainly intended to be used (The French Air Force doesn't have money to waste on a useless config photo shoot)
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            • TomcatViP
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              • Nov 2011
              • 5959

              #86
              I would have preferred to see an an adaptation of the Taiwan pod (a pair of modern DEFA 554 canons):Click image for larger version  Name:	 Views:	1 Size:	104.4 KB ID:	3839248
              Last edited by TomcatViP; 28th October 2018, 17:00.

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              • eagle
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jan 2000
                • 2344

                #87
                On the contrary, it is a specific configuration asked by the French Air Force for the MLU of the Mirage 2000D. It is currently under test and it is certainly intended to be used (The French Air Force doesn't have money to waste on a useless config photo shoot)
                Really? What kind of mission needs a GBU-24, usually used against high-value targets, gun, usually required for CAS, and 2 iron bombs?

                I would have preferred to see an an adaptation of the Taiwan pod (a pair of modern DEFA 554 canons):
                Why an adaption? As you can see it's already integrated. No need for an adaption.
                But it blocks the centerline. The raison d'tre for adapting the other gun pod is it allows to still carry heavy stuff under the fuselage.
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                • TomcatViP
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 5959

                  #88
                  It seems that they don't need the two guns. Hence by "adaptation" I meant something new around the better canon.

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                  • Kovy
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                    • Apr 2004
                    • 1462

                    #89
                    Really? What kind of mission needs a GBU-24, usually used against high-value targets, gun, usually required for CAS, and 2 iron bombs?
                    Same kind of mission as these guys: air interdiction with a pinch of CAS (These are current operational loadout used by the USAF in Sirya)

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                    The GBU-24 on the Mirage 2000D is the A/B version with the Blu-109 body, intended to destroy hardened targets or underground facilities. (like IS tunnels in Sirya for example)
                    Last edited by Kovy; 28th October 2018, 21:05.
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                    • eagle
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                      • Jan 2000
                      • 2344

                      #90
                      It seems that they don't need the two guns. Hence by "adaptation" I meant something new around the better canon.
                      If they need two guns, they can carry the twin pod.
                      If they want the newer DEFA in the single pod, surely that could be done.


                      Same kind of mission as these guys: air interdiction with a pinch of CAS (These are current operational loadout used by the USAF in Sirya)

                      The GBU-24 on the Mirage 2000D is the A/B version with the Blu-109 body, intended to destroy hardened targets or underground facilities. (like IS tunnels in Sirya for example)
                      None of the bombs there are GBU-24s or unguided Mk 82s. Which is exactly my point. If you ever see an F-15E toting GBU-24s, it will probably (as in 99.9% probability) not carry Mk 82s at the same time.
                      How can less be more? It's impossible. More is more.
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                      • Kovy
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 1462

                        #91
                        None of the bombs there are GBU-24s or unguided Mk 82s. Which is exactly my point. If you ever see an F-15E toting GBU-24s, it will probably (as in 99.9% probability) not carry M 82s at the same time.
                        France doesn't operate the GBU-31 hence the GBU-24 on the 2000D (Yet, the body is of the same BLU-109 type).

                        I see 2 reasons for the MK-82 instead of the 500 lbs GBU carried by the F-15E and A-10:
                        1- AFAIK, the Mirage 2000D can't launch GBUs from the rear fuselage points and opening this option was judged too costly for the MLU. Therefore it has to make do with air burst MK-82 instead.
                        2- During the Mali conflict the Mirage 2000D operated alongside the Mirage F1; the 2000D carrying GBUs and the F1 carrying MK-82 airburst bombs. The combo proved quite effective. The MLU of the Mirage 2000D allows to carry both GBU and low cost MK-82 Air burst at the same time on the same aircraft which is a nice operational improvement. (BTW, another load opened by the MLU is 2 GBU-12/49 on the center fuselage point + 2 MK-82)

                        But keep in mind that this MLU is driven by getting as much operational options as possible in a very tight budget. No doubt that if the French Air Force had the same budget as the USAF for upgrading and operating its aircraft's, 500 lbs GBU or SBU with fancy fuse programing would have been adoped to replace the dumb bombs at the rear fuselage points...

                        Eventualy the FAF prefered to integrate a low colateral damage laser guided weapon on the rear fuselage points : the BAT-120 LG (again more operational options for current conflicts at the lowest possible cost):

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                        Last edited by Kovy; 30th October 2018, 23:38.
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                        • TomcatViP
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Nov 2011
                          • 5959

                          #92
                          [I]AF Team to Visit France to inspect Two Mirage-2000 Trainers


                          France has offered India two Mirage-2000 fighter planes, virtually free at a very nominal cost.

                          Officials said the team will visit Chateaudun French air force base situated close to the French capital, Paris.

                          Reports said India has accepted the offer, but the team will judge the quality of the fighter planes. With the induction of the two gifts, the IAF will have two additional Mirage-2000 fighter jets to the fleet of 50 odd.
                          Source:
                          DefenseNews.in

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                          • PhantomII
                            Phantoms Phorever
                            • Jan 2000
                            • 8292

                            #93
                            Sorry to dig up a fairly old thread, but the BAT 120 is still operational?
                            Fox-4!

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                            • OPIT
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 893

                              #94
                              No, BAP-100/BAT-120 have been retired in the late 90's. But the thing is actually being re-engineered to provide a low cost/low collateral dammage laser-guided bomb.

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                              • PhantomII
                                Phantoms Phorever
                                • Jan 2000
                                • 8292

                                #95
                                Well that's what I was referring to. They are taking an unguided weapon and turning it into a guided one. With three weapons on each station, that would add a lot of capability to the Mirage 2000 in my opinion...at least it would appear to.
                                Fox-4!

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                                • halloweene
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jan 2012
                                  • 4229

                                  #96
                                  Well that's what I was referring to. They are taking an unguided weapon and turning it into a guided one. With three weapons on each station, that would add a lot of capability to the Mirage 2000 in my opinion...at least it would appear to.
                                  The original idea was 12 weapons on central station afaik.(at least the config shwon at Le Bourget). They are using cheap rockets sensors to guide BAP120 NG.

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                                  • TomcatViP
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Nov 2011
                                    • 5959

                                    #97

                                    Crashed Mirage 2000D's pilots confirmed dead

                                    Ils s'appelaient Baptiste Chiri et Audrey Michelon. Le pilote et sa coquipire, qui ont trouv la mort dans le crash d'un avion de chasse Mirage 2000D dans le Jura mercredi, taient des militaires expriments. "La France perd deux officiers de valeur, morts son service", a dclar la ministre des Armes, Florence Parly, jeudi soir avant d'ajouter : "Toute la communaut de dfense est aujourd'hui en deuil".
                                    -------------------------------------------------

                                    Their names were Baptiste Chiri and Audrey Michelon. The pilot and his teammate, who were killed in the crash of a Mirage 2000D fighter in the Jura on Wednesday, were experienced soldiers. "France loses two valuable officers, dead in its service," said the Minister of Armies, Florence Parly, Thursday evening before adding: "The entire defense community is now in mourning".
                                    Brevet pilote de chasse, le Capitaine Baptiste CHIRI dtenait la qualification de pilote de combat oprationnel. Il totalisait 24 missions de guerre et 940 heures de vol.

                                    Brevete Navigateur Officier Systmes dArmes, la Lieutenant Audrey MICHELON dtenait la qualification de sous-chef navigatrice. Elle totalisait 97 missions de guerre et 1250 heures de vol.
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                                    A licensed fighter pilot, Captain Baptiste CHIRI held operational combat pilot qualification. He had 24 war missions and 940 flying hours.

                                    Patented Navigator Officer Systems Weapons, Lieutenant Audrey MICHELON held the qualification of Deputy Chief Navigator. She totaled 97 war missions and 1250 hours of flight.



                                    I wonder if she would not be the first female French pilot causality.?!

                                    Sources:
                                    La Depeche.fr
                                    France Regions

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                                    • PhantomII
                                      Phantoms Phorever
                                      • Jan 2000
                                      • 8292

                                      #98
                                      Sad news. May their family and friends find peace as they mourn.

                                      Fair skies & tailwinds...
                                      Fox-4!

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                                      • halloweene
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Jan 2012
                                        • 4229

                                        #99
                                        "A pilot never dies, he takes off a last time"
                                        St Exupery.

                                        Last edited by halloweene; 13th January 2019, 14:14.

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                                        • VS_dreams
                                          Registered User
                                          • Feb 2019
                                          • 2

                                          Hello,

                                          I used to have another account here but did not post much. Was just curious to know what a pilot must usually do when FBW of this aircraft is entering <flight mode state> and simply cannot set itself to it? This is during take role. Each FBW from what I have seen a little is a finite state machine. So state transitions are very delicate to the system.

                                          If anyone has some sort of information on this, I would really appreciate this. Thanks.

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