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  • Rafael Patrn
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    Mexican Navy is looking for jetfigthers

    Hello

    In a recent conference with the MEXICAN CONGRESS the secretary of the MEXICAN Navy AD. MARCO ANTONIO PEYROT saids that the MEXICAN NAVY has became to evaluate 2 diferent aircraft for its NAVY to protect the oilrigs in the CAMPECHE SOUND and soudern MEXICO,Only 8 aircraft will be purchase. This evaluation has been a surprise for all the aviation fans in MEXICO because the 2 aircraft that are under evaluation are the SAAB GRIPEN and the SUKHOI SU-27 FLANKER and it seems that the SU-27 its the favorite for the MEXICAN NAVY and he saids that these aircraft will be in MEXICO by the end of 2006 but not especificating wich one, but alot of speculation this news has create, for instance, the MEXICAN NAVY couldnt purchase 8 AERO L-39 ALBATROZ for ligth atack in 2001 because the congress reduce its budget so this has led alot of thougs.
    The MEXICAN NAVY has a great friendship with SWEDEN has it has purchase over 60 DH-90 fast patrol boats and several BOFORS MK3 main guns for its frigates and corvettes.
    In the other hand with RUSSIA its the same thing as it has purchase 23 MIL-17 helicopters, 4 MI-2, 55 URAL trucks, several SAM-7 estrella antiaircraft missiles and has put a workshop in LAS BAJADAS naval base for MIL helos maintenance.

    Peyrot saids that the NAVY will also purchase a not known number of helicopters and truks, 2 other missile corvetes from ISRAEL but be also mention another AAmissile purchase.

    so well see what hapends and my question is, WHAT THE HELL ITS THE MEXICAN AIR FORCE DOING IN THESE MATTER?

    SALUDOS
  • hawkdriver05
    Rank 5 Registered User

    #2
    I just can't see the Mexican Air Force let the Navy have better fighters........

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    • Vaiar
      Longing for the Med

      #3
      Seems the Mexican navy's top brass is building a nice little empire.
      You are interested in defense-related matters, but unfortunately you grew up in a cave and do not like the plural KeyPub-community that questions every single one of your beliefs. Luckily, now there is an alternative at last.

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      • flex297
        Senior Member

        #4
        Mex Navy and Su-27s? What the hell for?

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        • Rafael Patrn
          Rank 5 Registered User

          #5
          Hello


          I think that the real purchase its gona be the 8 AERO L-39 that where cancelled in 2001. I really dont think that the MEXICAN NAVY has the support and the level of maintenance that an aircraft like a SU-27 requires. In past months officials from the MEXICA NAVY have been flying the GRIPEN and in RUSSIA has happend the same thing with the SU-27.

          Here in MEXICO we all know that the main problem of the MEXICAN AIR FORCE is that it depends completly from the ARMY. So as this time i can change the name MEXICAN AiR FORCE to MEXICAN ARMY TRANSPORT AVIATION and it is really sad.

          So i can tell that we are going to see some L-39 in the MEXICAN skys and maibe, maibe some "HINDS" around.

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          • Doberman
            Member

            #6
            Well, what I have heard from Navy contacts is that the Aero L-39 and the Hinds were rejected in favour of a more sophisticated "interceptor", the Aero is a light attack aircraft but lacks the speed and range to be considered an inteceptor. More or less between the L-39 and Mi 25 the Navy was spending some 80-90 million dollars, a cost that if reoriented could be used for getting aircraft like the Gripen or SU 27. In the case that the navy choose one of these aircraft, the trainning of the pilots would be abroad .

            But anyway T think we must wait for more specific information.

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            • Elliot
              Rank 5 Registered User

              #7
              let me tell everybody something, in Mexico the real protection is provided by the navy, not the Airforce because the mexican navy has a diferent structure than the SEDENA than is integrated by the army and airforce, obviously the army dominates the SEDENA and the airforce is ignored and the navy is other organism apart form the SEDENA for that reasons the navy has a better structure and even a better airpower than the airforce and much modern air material and it is not a suprise than the mexican navy maybe purchase new jet interceptors and new helicopters anyway it is improbable that the navy purchase new air material because politicians in the country have other plans and other offers have been rejected.

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              • Iranian F-14A
                Tomcats Forever

                #8
                Teamed with the Mexican E-2Cs,either the Su-27 or Gripen would give the Mexican Navy a very good AWACS/Interceptor team that could deal with just about anything in the Latin America theatre.As voiced in another thread,about the replacement of Mexico's F-5s,the main thing Mexico is looking for is a fighter with good range,the Su-27 would be perfect for this,and would outclass the F-5E in almost every respect from range,weapons,which would include BVR missiles to ablity to get on station faster and remain on station longer.It is ironic that the Navy would be operating these aircraft though.Good way to deal with drug runners too.Detect them with the Hawkeyes and send in the Flankers to shred them.

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                • flex297
                  Senior Member

                  #9
                  I would advise MiG-29, the thing has flawless combat record against light Cessna utility aircraft

                  Now on serious note, using Su-27 against drug trafficking? Hell, you ain't serious are ya? The bird is heaven to fly but hell to operate...

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                  • F-18 Hamburger
                    Senior Member

                    #10
                    Mexico should look to it's neighbors up north who have plenty of these. Cheap, simple enough to operate, and best of all, delivered faster than a new build Flanker or Gripen

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                    • Bager1968
                      Rank 5 Registered User

                      #11
                      Appropriate place for a LawnDart...... right in front of a "Thud" (F-105 Thunderchief) (nickname is supposed to be from the sound it makes hitting the ground). :diablo:
                      Germany, Austria and Italy are standing together in the middle of the pub, when Serbia bumps into Austria, and spills Austria's pint.

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                      • F-18 Hamburger
                        Senior Member

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Bager1968
                        Appropriate place for a LawnDart...... right in front of a "Thud" (F-105 Thunderchief) (nickname is supposed to be from the sound it makes hitting the ground). :diablo:
                        heey thanks, i was wondering what aircraft that was next to it

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                        • Rafael Patrn
                          Rank 5 Registered User

                          #13
                          Hello

                          It would be great if the MEXICAN NAVY or AIR FORCE could get any F-16 from the U.S. but unfortunatly the sales to MEXICO are loaded with interest from the U.S. for example the sale of 21 KFIR figthers in 1980 to MEXICO was banned because the KFIR carry a U.S. jet-engine and they only aproved the sale of 12 F-5E/F direct from the STATES.
                          Another sale that was banned was 6 COBRA atack helos in 1994 and in that same year U.S. banned the sale of 12 PILATUS PC-9 because they said that MEXICO was going to use them for COIN duties, wich it was correct.
                          But the greatest fiasco of all was their gift of 73 UH-1H helicopters wich resulted in full rubish and causing at least 2 fatal accidents and at the end they where returned and to fill that inmense space (MEXICO prepared seberal bases for the UH-1H`S) MEXICO bougth 73 CESSNAS 182`S wich the fleet has the highest accident records since they where delivered( at least 7 has been lost since 2000).
                          It seems that the SEDENA have to agreed with everything that the U.S. send them.
                          But in case of the MEXICAN NAVY things are diferent. They where the first to buy MIL helos and the fleet of 20 has one of the highest safety records in MEXICO.
                          U.S. ofered 3 P-3 ORION and 14 KAMAN SEASPRITE helos to the MEXICAN NAVY but with the condition that in every fligth there would be 1 U.S. as "observation officer". This led the cancelation of the offer.

                          So, it would be a major stand if the MEXICAN NAVY could get any figthers, as i was talking with a friend of mine about the subject," we dont think that they would buy any SU-27, but the NAVY has gave us alot of surprises, the E-2C, MD-902, 2 ALIYA CLASS MISSILE SHIPS, the BO-105 SUPER FIVE, CASA C-202 MP and the last one, the 2 PANTHER helicopters"

                          We`ll see by the end of the next year.

                          saludos

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                          • flex297
                            Senior Member

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Rafael Patrn
                            Hello

                            It would be great if the MEXICAN NAVY or AIR FORCE could get any F-16 from the U.S. but unfortunatly the sales to MEXICO are loaded with interest from the U.S. for example the sale of 21 KFIR figthers in 1980 to MEXICO was banned because the KFIR carry a U.S. jet-engine and they only aproved the sale of 12 F-5E/F direct from the STATES.
                            Another sale that was banned was 6 COBRA atack helos in 1994 and in that same year U.S. banned the sale of 12 PILATUS PC-9 because they said that MEXICO was going to use them for COIN duties, wich it was correct.
                            But the greatest fiasco of all was their gift of 73 UH-1H helicopters wich resulted in full rubish and causing at least 2 fatal accidents and at the end they where returned and to fill that inmense space (MEXICO prepared seberal bases for the UH-1H`S) MEXICO bougth 73 CESSNAS 182`S wich the fleet has the highest accident records since they where delivered( at least 7 has been lost since 2000).
                            It seems that the SEDENA have to agreed with everything that the U.S. send them.
                            But in case of the MEXICAN NAVY things are diferent. They where the first to buy MIL helos and the fleet of 20 has one of the highest safety records in MEXICO.
                            U.S. ofered 3 P-3 ORION and 14 KAMAN SEASPRITE helos to the MEXICAN NAVY but with the condition that in every fligth there would be 1 U.S. as "observation officer". This led the cancelation of the offer.

                            So, it would be a major stand if the MEXICAN NAVY could get any figthers, as i was talking with a friend of mine about the subject," we dont think that they would buy any SU-27, but the NAVY has gave us alot of surprises, the E-2C, MD-902, 2 ALIYA CLASS MISSILE SHIPS, the BO-105 SUPER FIVE, CASA C-202 MP and the last one, the 2 PANTHER helicopters"

                            We`ll see by the end of the next year.

                            saludos
                            One small piece of advice... Change your business partner...

                            BTW, WTF has US approval to do with PC-9s?

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                            • Rafael Patrn
                              Rank 5 Registered User

                              #15
                              Hello

                              One thing, the sale of the PC-9 was banned by ZWITZERLAND and they also stop sending maintenance hardware for the PC-7 fleet(this was because in the ZAPATISTA conflict in 1994, FAM used the PC-7 in coin roles with at least good results), this led MEXICO to start looking at BRAZIL for the TUCANO.

                              FLEX297, do you really think so?


                              saludos

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                              • flex297
                                Senior Member

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Rafael Patrn
                                Hello

                                One thing, the sale of the PC-9 was banned by ZWITZERLAND and they also stop sending maintenance hardware for the PC-7 fleet(this was because in the ZAPATISTA conflict in 1994, FAM used the PC-7 in coin roles with at least good results), this led MEXICO to start looking at BRAZIL for the TUCANO.
                                Makes much nore sense now, thanks


                                Originally posted by Rafael Patrn
                                FLEX297, do you really think so?
                                saludos
                                What exactly are you referring to?

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                                • Rafael Patrn
                                  Rank 5 Registered User

                                  #17
                                  to change my business......

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                                  • Flogger
                                    Senior Member

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Rafael Patrn
                                    Hello

                                    It would be great if the MEXICAN NAVY or AIR FORCE could get any F-16 from the U.S. but unfortunatly the sales to MEXICO are loaded with interest from the U.S. for example the sale of 21 KFIR figthers in 1980 to MEXICO was banned because the KFIR carry a U.S. jet-engine and they only aproved the sale of 12 F-5E/F direct from the STATES.
                                    Another sale that was banned was 6 COBRA atack helos in 1994 and in that same year U.S. banned the sale of 12 PILATUS PC-9 because they said that MEXICO was going to use them for COIN duties, wich it was correct.
                                    But the greatest fiasco of all was their gift of 73 UH-1H helicopters wich resulted in full rubish and causing at least 2 fatal accidents and at the end they where returned and to fill that inmense space (MEXICO prepared seberal bases for the UH-1H`S) MEXICO bougth 73 CESSNAS 182`S wich the fleet has the highest accident records since they where delivered( at least 7 has been lost since 2000).
                                    It seems that the SEDENA have to agreed with everything that the U.S. send them.
                                    But in case of the MEXICAN NAVY things are diferent. They where the first to buy MIL helos and the fleet of 20 has one of the highest safety records in MEXICO.
                                    U.S. ofered 3 P-3 ORION and 14 KAMAN SEASPRITE helos to the MEXICAN NAVY but with the condition that in every fligth there would be 1 U.S. as "observation officer". This led the cancelation of the offer.

                                    So, it would be a major stand if the MEXICAN NAVY could get any figthers, as i was talking with a friend of mine about the subject," we dont think that they would buy any SU-27, but the NAVY has gave us alot of surprises, the E-2C, MD-902, 2 ALIYA CLASS MISSILE SHIPS, the BO-105 SUPER FIVE, CASA C-202 MP and the last one, the 2 PANTHER helicopters"

                                    We`ll see by the end of the next year.

                                    saludos
                                    Mexico has several new paths to take by one side it can take a subordinated role to the US just keeping it`s role of weak nation or can develope it`s own aviation industry and stregthen it`s air force with Russian or European designs.

                                    US aircraft are good but usually the uS bans and do not consider Mexico an ally as Japan or South Korea in Military terms.

                                    Sedena plays very well the US interests but SEMAR has a more independent philosophy trying to streghthen Mexico aviation industry and arsenal.

                                    The Su-27 deals shows that if ever comes to happen Mexico wants to become master of it`s own destiny .
                                    Sedena`S ERJ-145SA and R-99 are other examples of US unreliability in military terms.
                                    Last edited by Flogger; 11th October 2005, 16:34.

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                                    • Iranian F-14A
                                      Tomcats Forever

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by flex297
                                      I would advise MiG-29, the thing has flawless combat record against light Cessna utility aircraft

                                      Now on serious note, using Su-27 against drug trafficking? Hell, you ain't serious are ya? The bird is heaven to fly but hell to operate...
                                      Well I'm just saying,it'd give the Flanker,or Gripen or F-16 a valid mission.The Mexican goverment,along with several other south and centeral american air forces have begun using fighters and attack aircraft such as the A-37B and Su-25 to gun down drug trafficker's DC-3s and Cessnas.The fact is,Mexico isn't going to be going to war anytime soon,and it would make the aircraft,whichever one they decide to buy,worth it.

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                                      • flex297
                                        Senior Member

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Rafael Patrn
                                        to change my business......
                                        ... I meant business partner.. If US are unreliable and only follow their own goals, then kick em.. There si enough of other arms suppliers..

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